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I’m just speaking from a general standpoint. In my case, I already know “financial goals unmet”, is moreso due to the fact that the region I’m in, isn’t very working guy supportive. There’s some decent clients here and there, but most times: it’s usually last minute bookings or guys who only book once in a blue. Or they book and then flake. Hence why I try to keep regular travel every 2 to 3 weeks as much as possible 🤦🏾‍♂️ I feel pricing for this biz is unpredictable across the board and doesn’t necessarily follow the same patterns. I could be charging $150 and have the same number of clients as charging $500. Only difference would be, I would be making $150 instead of $500. If someone is going to pay, they will. I have occasionally met with guys for rates lower than I normally would, and they may only come around a time or 2. Their perceived value of sex, says less than what I am capable of asking and getting.

Well the whole gist of this thread isn’t necessarily about comparing different prices that escorts offer: moreso about any longer arrangement booking that is goes into the $1,000+ range. Even with the amount I did get, I had to distribute it carefully because I’ve been in such a drought these past couple months. And going a week or 2 without a client and getting a 1 hour session helps, but it goes so fast and then, I’m right back to square one. I don’t think any of us started with: “I only want to make just enough to pay bills/groceries, and barely get by”. And lot of people try to make like you have to have a 2nd everyday regular job to make it in the biz. Which is not true because, traveling guys like myself that wouldn’t work. Like this longer booking I took, I had to commute 2 states away just to get it. And while I was there, I even booked in another client so…having one successful venture can often lead to the next. But 5 days is a long time though, and it sounds like maybe it was a couple who knew each other? In that case I could see it being a vacation definitely. The other thing too, I often hear about clients here and elsewhere doing longer sessions with White and Latin/Asian/Etc. I know that’s a touchy topic but, it plays a part. However most of my longer sessions tend to be White guys, I know that’s just how it goes. Also in my case, @pubic_assistance he was not “lonely” but had time alone for a few days…won’t go into the details but, let’s say he wasn’t single or bad looking lol.

…and not to seem unappreciative of the hourly/under $500 bookings. But: I had a booking over the weekend that was a longer visit over 1,000. I only had 1 other visit like that all year, and it makes a big difference. I know $250+ is a lot for most dudes to give for an “experience” anyway, but I had to run it by someone who sees me occasionally the other day: Higher amount bookings tend to be the most important thing to biz, next to regulars of course. Some of these guys only want to throw a couple hundred bucks, but they’ll talk all about how they spent $1,000 on this, or $2,000 on that luxury like it’s nothing. Which is fine, it’s their money and prerogative… But at the same time, I can’t always multiply 200 or 300 by 5 clients in a week. Especially in markets that already have plenty of new and local escorts and masseurs, but not really enough clients to go around. So as I explained to someone the other day, “I feel like you expect me to feel asking $250/$300 is too expensive”. What if that is the only booking I have that weekend, or in some cases the whole week? Figure out how to make that last. It really doesn’t. I know some clients probably don’t wish to spend an overnight or two days with someone. But it’s looking really attractive to go the longer session only route when doing certain bookings/locations. Like lately, I’m cutting back on the “go to a city and see 5 clients” because that’s not really always the turn out. Even after sifting thru 1,000 messages. If they haven’t texted and done what’s needed to confirm, most times it’s just inquiries and guys bullshitting around… So 5 “clients” could end up only being 1 actually booking (true story last month in one city, but fortunately it was an extended time booking).

I get where you are coming from with that. In my case, I wasn’t coming for you for simply not planning a precise eta, but moreso not coordinating one. And regarding those who would say “consider the appointment cancelled if 15 minutes late”, I’ll be like: and I’m keeping the deposit and/or you owe me the half amount 🤷🏾‍♂️ However in your case, you cancelled on him and that’s the error: He replied at 11:05 PM: "Are you here?" I said "NO" and he asked "Are you on Uber?', I once again told him I was walking 7 blocks to get to him. "What's your ETA?". I replied: "Are you high?". I had to cancelled, I can't handle this goldfish / microwave mindset they have when it comes to others. I might have overreacted but I had enough. You cancelled because he asked what’s your ETA? I don’t see anything wrong with that, that wasn’t aggressive, just trying to figure out when you’re arriving. Maybe you 2 discussed a time frame somewhere in there. But you didn’t allude to that being the case. Exactly how much notice did you give? Regardless, not trying to beat you up as it happens and people get mixed up trying to plan dick appointments all the time. But all this is why I don’t do biz anymore without deposits because, I would be hard pressed dealing with a situation that gets cancelled just for whatever bullshit reason comes to mind. I also avoid short notice. Available now is merely, “text now to make appointment” Especially considering my commute is never 7 blocks walking distance away, most times my commute is rarely less than 50 miles, to get to appointments. And some clients can be impatient yet don’t always convey how busy they are. “I’m free all day” should be dropped from all vocabulary because many of them never are. Just like the guy is just “sitting at home” waiting for you, many clients do the same.

Then what the fuck does it constitute, a lie? It doesn’t always have to be down to a date and time to be considered a booking. If I’m supposed to treat clients like all their booking requests are tentative, I wouldn’t be able to plan trips, tours and other things necessary to make appointment’s happen. That said, I’m more aware of it now than before because: that’s why I don’t consider bookings booked, without a deposit..I had that happen today. Was supposed to have a 7 p.m. booking that the guy said he wanted: ghosted. Lucky for me, he never sent the deposit so I didn’t make any concessions 🤷🏾‍♂️

Okay, you know I’m going to have to go in on you..so, just put your seat 💺 belt on because I’m about to give it to you straight 😂 First of all, idk what the conversation was like prior to what you started with. I don’t imagine that it went from getting dressed to “on your way” in such short notice, how much notice did you actually give him? And even if you did get dressed in 2 minutes, that’s not a time frame. Y’all should have set a time frame, and if it was less than 1 hours notice, it’s no wonder it didn’t work out. Clients and escorts need to discard this idea that we can meet at fast as an Uber can arrive: plan ahead and avoid miscommunication. It doesn’t have to be days ahead…just 2 to 4 hours can make a difference. This is why I stress clearly I require at least 2 hours notice for all bookings. I don’t care if you’re at the hotel room next door to me…or should I say, UNLESS you’re at the hotel room next door to me lol. Even yesterday I had to tell a client: The earliest I can get to you is, two hours from now (would have been 9:30 p.m.). Reason why I ask two hours notice is because: it gives time for both people to figure out location and time of arrival. It also limits rushing and leaves time for unexpected time delays. The other day, a client of mine went to the wrong hotel which had a similar room number as mine. Since it was less than two hours notice, he forgot to get the actual name of the hotel 😂 You seemed spur of moment, he seemed unexpected…It was just an unnecessary dumpster fire that could have been avoided. I don’t think it’s just the young generation. I have seen older guys blow up my phones texting…asking ETA, here yet, etc etc. almost like they’re clutching their phones in anxiety. It doesn’t need to be that way. When I’m doing non-business hookups, I don’t rush the guy. I just make sure everything is okay and chill if they coming to me. Worked just fine the other night. Sex is a privilege, not a right. Patience is key. It’s funny how people always want it fast when THEY want it, but when I want it: they want to drag it out and take days, weeks, YEARS to return a text. I often see a common issue where clients try to plan too much other stuff around booking a date, non of which involves the escort: but expects the escort to drop their whole life and rush to their beck. Ah, no. If they can plan this and that and everything else, they can plan time with us too. Not some last minute, spur of the moment, now or never type of interaction..

Yeah I find it hot to come across a sexy otter regardless of age, hairy usually equates to often horny lol 😛

I didn’t look it up, someone recently made another response to it…And I just happened to see it in the feed. So it was just in reference. That said, another reason I moved to a deposit only model is because I got so tired of potential (and even 2nd time returning) clients talking about “we never made an appointment, I don’t owe you anything blah blah blah”. But you texted me and told me you were coming to town, and that you were going to be happy to meet up/meet up again, and would text me this week? I been in the biz too long to be playing those games. I dealt with that a lot in Florida and Arizona when I lived in both for periods of time, especially during the times I relied on appointments to show the most. These days, I don’t have time or energy to be arguing with clients and 2nd guessing whether or not they booked an appointment. Don’t do deposits? No booking/No conversation. Didn’t waste any time or thought expecting something. Anyone who is put off, is 50/50 chance if not going thru with it anyway, and unfortunately with so many options in some cities…it’s anybody’s guess. Like I said, only ones who get to meet without deposits are people I’m meeting on non business or “introducing” myself off the main escort sites (though I stopped meeting A4A clients without deposits) Even if I meet guys outside of the biz, they have to be transparent and not appear they’re trying to conceal something (face/dating status/phone number.) Because more often than not, timewaster.

But why would I care to do that though? Unless you were booking me specifically and I needed a reference in lieu of a deposit, I’m not trying to prove a point. And if it happened twice, is it a mistake? Once again, not interested in who you booked in the past. Doesn’t change much about your demeanor towards me and the topic of this thread. I’m still going to ask/receive deposits anytime I have to spend my own money upfront. Whoever doesn’t, that’s their personal choice.

As an uncut person with Latin background who isn’t a bottom but, depending on the situation…I say SUCK IT, you might like it 😂

Oh okay, I thought I might of seen more than that when I changed the “all locations” to more specific regions. Might wanna double check. Btw, not to nit pick but: “practitioners” sounds a bit too professional lol. Advertisers would be a better word. I wouldn’t want people to get confused.

This is perfect, long as you’re not sending it to multiple guys in a day/weekend (obviously it would suck for the other guys to not get booked if you did). It shows you’ve read the ad, you offer more than one time option, it’s not last minute (which could be ignored if not available), and you include stats and picture. I would consider you a serious booking and respond right away. I always say if someone does have to contact multiple ads, at least wait 1 to 2 hours in between (and that’s fast compared to the times I’ve had to wait for guys to reply back to me lol). I had someone contact me the other weekend, while I was at brunch. I call back in 20 minutes and claims he booked someone else. But then texted back after saying how he’s very interested and will reach back out in a couple weeks. Well thanks but, he couldn’t even wait 30 minutes though. And when I asked for a few details about him so I could have an idea who he is: no response 🤔

Reason for this is: in the states at least, you simply can’t get use the word “deposit” on RentMen. They will delete it just like they deleted rates. I can’t say deposit in my ad, but I’ve been able to use other code that is quite clear on the deposit asked. Also, I checked your search results: good idea however, that is only pulling up results within the area you are in, what city are you looking in? I’ll tell you why (I know that’s probably not what you want). Because one particular person went from stating an opinion, to then recommending others not to do something. That’s where the problem lies. Agree or disagree, but don’t start telling others not to do it and then further reference other guys who don’t. Other guys/escorts aren’t going to pay my bills or my hotel/gas if a client cancels. Period. So, nobody should talk about what other escorts do and don’t do. It’s not about that. In addition, each time it comes up…someone adds “but I won’t do it”. So then the discussion continues. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the back and forth. It takes a bit of communication to come to an understanding, and also getting to the nitty gritty behind why some do and don’t. I think this is probably the most in depth it’s ever gotten. I seen one escort in his ad claim, “I don’t accept pay app payments, the federal government is watching our transactions.” Which is not true. I don’t think it should have ever even been approved, but…once again people have their reasonings. I know many clients, even the non-deposit guys, will still use a pay app to settle up. Now, with everything said: it does make me question if I want to continue deposits…however at this particular point in my life, I’m not sure its the right timing to get rid of it, even with business being slow. Maybe at some point this year when I have a full time in-call back up and running, and most of my bookings are within 30 minutes away. But even still: I service a sketchy market. Kansas City. The vast majority of guys offering to pay here: want us to host. And often on short notice. Even outcalls are same day requested, and it’s just too much trying to do those without deposits. Imagine how stupid and foolish it feels to leave a friend/family member/event to meet a client and he flakes? Do that a few times, over the course of a few months and you hopefully learn to do deposits. However it’s not just here, just about every city in the country has its flakes…persistent flakes who are dismissive, and then come around 6 months later like it never happened. Like wait: aren’t you the same MoFo who said “nevermind/you’ll pass/no I don’t do deposits” and now you’re trying to get with me again? If I’m such a scammer, or my rates are too high, why are you still trying to get in contact with me 🤔 But as stated: I’ve been in the industry without deposits, longer than I have been with. The only difference is, I’m not going extra miles hoping the client is real; nor taking last minute or advanced bookings at a loss.

And another thing: I am just noticing a lot of weird shit happening from the RentMen messenger area. Guys contact and then don’t respond back, only to come around months later and not respond again: Never replied back, even when I left my contact info and details. Now the same guy: And then he doesn’t respond back again 🤷🏾‍♂️ Granted I’ve not wrote him off yet, but it’s this type of stuff that’s about to compel me to cut all access to communication on RentMen and RentMasseur and only be contacted thru my website. This is why I’ve once again wrote to RentMen asking for changes. And if the person had any issue with my policy, why come back around again and reach out? If he can remember from 2017-18 then he certainly can remember from September. It’s just way too many games out here. I’m trying hard not to close my RentMen messenger access, but each week I’m feeling pressed to. It’s become too much of a “Grindr”, where guys expect us to stay on there and small talk with them round the clock, and we don’t even get paid for that. RentMen needs to convert that to a paid function for US, if potential clients expect us to keep engaging.

I find that hard to believe. I’d have to wonder the quality of the ad which was in question. Someone promising the world, and not doing much of any screening before getting deposit? I know for me, I usually ask a list 📝 of details beforehand so I know if I am even a fit for the client. One thing that should be noted is: an escort NOT asking for deposit doesn’t necessarily imply NOT a scammer either. You can get scammed meeting with cash only too. Also: canceling more than 24 hours in advance, isn’t really as much of a life saver like it is for say: hotels and rental cars which once again, tend to have multiple rooms/cars, multiple employees, and multiple customers that can all be serviced at once. For me, I have decided I’ll reapply a deposit within 7 days.

Right, same here…and until that happens it’s prob not best to schedule appointments solely on messenger, if anyone is. And just another overall reminder to everyone: don’t compare why some chose to do deposits and others don’t. We don’t all see clients in the same areas, or have the same volume, live near high numbers of wealthy populations, or live in proximities to gay meccas/resort destinations like Palm Springs. That is all variables, but ultimately up to the escort to decipher, what their best policy should be. If I sat around and ran things based on about what other escorts are doing or not doing: I would be doing like I used to back in 2009: Traveling to the biggest cities like the popular guys, spending 3 days on hotels upfront before having any real commitment from clients, and just wasting my time and money. There’s towns I go to that many escorts don’t even know about, and I’ve made it happen with or without deposits.

By all means, if you choose to…just know your decision to post this was well appreciated. Understanding both the escort and client sides and mending the divide between paying and not paying deposits, is something that is going to be a factor in the future of advertising and something I hope can be more widely accepted.

And you believe that? Just because you don’t see/hear something doesn’t mean it’s not happening. Please tell me you are somewhat cognitive to that? There could be plenty reasons why someone doesn’t discuss it here, whatever it is…is their personal business. I can understand why most people wouldn’t because…who wants to get involved in a 3 page debate with someone who just has the same rebuttle each time, with no consideration for the other side? Comparison is the thief of joy. It doesn’t surprise me considering your viewpoint. How about I compare you to the many many clients who are thoughtful and considerate enough to provide deposits? Now, back to story time: Comparison: The Thief of Joy - The Simplicity Habit WWW.THESIMPLICITYHABIT.COM Have you found comparison to be the thief of joy in your life? Learn how to get out of the comparison trap and...

Okay, story 📖 time. I’ve said what I needed to say, time to hear it from other people on websites elsewhere: and

And, good for you. What does name dropping have to do with the discussion? If you have to resort to “who you hired” as some sort of leverage to prove a point, then that goes to show once again your character. News flash: the guys you paid to sleep with you doesn’t make you a better person. Just like me sleeping with a millionaire/billionaire wouldn’t make me a better person than the guys on Grindr doing the same for free. If you think it does, you’re deluded. That just means you can use your money and preference to get what you want, which is not rocket science. Nice try though. That said, you assume that deposits haven’t changed anything how? Because last time I checked: I have not been stood up by a client who’s sent a deposit at all this year. When I talk about flakes and time wasters, those are the ones who haven’t even gotten to first base: The ones on RentMen messenger who don’t text and the ones who text and don’t get to the 2nd step. Or they have a million excuses. Deposits have helped because if I don’t receive one, I don’t lift a finger. All the, “maybe I’ll see if I can possibly get away sometime” guys never get the chance to mess up my day because I don’t book hotels or even start my car for them without a deposit. That’s a difference between someone booking a 3 hour appointment and not showing up, and waiting on them. Get your facts straight… Clients who send deposits don’t do that. Now, if you wish to not do it…that’s your prerogative. But stop trying to encourage and leverage others to do it, based on who you seen. That’s very sleazy and low integrity ✋🏾

In my personal experience: I have been side by side with some escorts I’ve met who don’t do deposits, they are often high volume and have guys coming and going at all times of the day. One client leaving, another one coming up. And some be fucking other guys for free in between. Then people wonder why someone can’t cum or perform the way you desired. Of course they don’t care about deposits because, they’re trying to squeeze in as many guys as possible to get the best bang for their hotel bucks. I’m not dissing on how anyone works, that’s their personal choice: BUT…I think it has to be realized WHY those escorts some people brag about who don’t do deposits, may be different from those who do. Some of us on the other hand, only wish to see no more than 1 or 2 clients a day, and not everyday. That’s a max. I personally don’t have the inclination to see 3-4 guys in a day. Whether that’s massage or escorting. It’s too much logistics to do that, and especially in a hotel or even my own place, I don’t want all that traffic…I have before, but I could count on 1 hand the times I’ve actually seen more than 3 clients in a day over the years. So that’s why when 1 client cancels, it can affect someone’s whole day because there’s no guarantee another client (paying equal or more) will be available to fill the time that day. The ONLY time I would recommend not doing a deposit is with a Grindr or met in person client (nightclub, hotel, etc). Those guys aren’t usually looking to pay anyway so, gotta kinda be easy. However, in those situations I only do it when I’m actively available and looking, and they are usually same day on the spot. So if they flake it wasn’t something I expected anyway.

You swear you are making an argument right now lol. That’s not advice, that’s your personal agenda. It’s not advice to assist with his particular dilemma. Quote: “But a lot of New Clients lately I haven’t asked for a deposit upon meeting and a lot of clients that I don’t ask for a deposit, they end up flaking on me.” So where do you come along to keep repeating: “don’t take deposits”. Dude just fucking said it that the new clients he don’t take deposits from, flake on him. What is the missing piece you’re not getting? Sensible advice would be: Start taking deposits from all new clients. I think most people in the biz for awhile, know what to do to solve the difficulties we face. It just takes a bit of courage and willingness to let some people go. Some clients may not want to pay deposits? Well it might not be worth the risk to see them. Unless they have some other way to verify. I told a guy in Cincinnati last month: he wanted me to host, but I said I would need a deposit. He’s like “well, I can host but I need to meet you in public first”. I said okay, well send me a picture of you first (I would have been commuting from another city to Cincinnati). He’s like, “never mind this is too complex”. Really? No compromise. That’s not enough security for me to go drive 4 hours away. That’s why I say, it’s not even the deposit half the time. It’s their insecurity and desire to control a situation, which at worst can put you in a bad situation…at best have your time wasted for the day. YOU don’t get to dictate what an escort needs to secure and establish their safety and peace of mind. Clients don’t set the rules, escorts do. That’s why you don’t come to us and say how much you want to pay.

Okay, well if the thread were: “why I don’t care to give escorts deposits” then perhaps you would be on the right track. However, the basis of this was a client who booked a 3 hour session without a deposit, and didn’t show. So now the escort is considering it. Why does it have to turn into a discussion about what you do and don’t care about? You can’t learn if you stay stuck on what you want and think is fair for YOU. When you are able to see the other side of things, then you’ll see why some people may ask for a deposit, and not consider that being a deal breaker or only reason you won’t see them. That’s ignorant if you can’t be willing to accept why some do it. You don’t want to pay deposit? Fine. But you might come across someone who does. I’ve explained it already in another thread recently: in some cases both parties are taking a risk, and sometimes the escort is the one who occasionally pays upfront. So if a client feels he doesn’t want to pay upfront either, that can go both ways. I may not want to pay $3.50 upfront per gallon of gas to drive 300 miles away. Or $120 per night plus deposit for a room upfront without a deposit. Does that make someone wrong? How so? And don’t say it doesn’t because that’s exactly what you’re implying. You’re implying the provider should take the risk and you shouldn’t. Plus, I’m not too sure about you anyway. You said in another thread, that you seen a provider and afterwards forgot your wallet in the car. You sound sketchy AF. Similar to a guy in Riverside California who came to me in Temecula and he’s like: “I forgot my wallet”. And I seen him with no deposit 🤦🏾‍♂️ Luckily, I told him BEFORE i got started…go back and get then. He never came back. He wasted his gas, not mine. But I didn’t appreciate him taking up my whole day only to come with no money 😤

Your point? No I won’t, because you’re not making any sense talking about a waiter. Then somehow trying to relate that to a sex worker who pays to advertise, and sees clients privately. It’s not the same. Whether you care or don’t care about their overheads is irrelevant. That’s not the discussion. The discussion is: how can escorts ensure they aren’t going to be stood up when reserving time and spending money to see clients? Deposit. Matter of fact, escort yourself out 🥾

Wrong analogy. The waiter is covering multiple customers in a setting that is already paid for by a company. It’s also tips, he’s not reliant on 1 table. Gas would be the sole overhead. And what waiter you know is driving 2 hours to work that you know? I’m sure it exists, but maybe in Gordon Ramsay’s kitchen where they pulling 6 figures. On the other hand, a catering company with multiple staff WOULD likely charge a deposit to host 1 client, who wants an event. See the difference?