Studsearcher

Agreed. I did the VIP area once and that was enough to know it’s not for me. A lot of guys love it back there but I prefer my trysts to be in private rather than a three walled ‘room’. I try to get a table near the stage and that’s where I stay for the night. Get drunk with friends, tip the good performers and have a provider at my hotel the next day. SR has a lot of hot dancers so they won’t all be in the back at the same time. Enjoy what’s available at the moment.

I was at The Lucky Horseshow this weekend for a couple of hours and was very happy to see more dancers there than I have ever seen before (10-15). Normal set up, no mask wearing, dancers rotate to dance on two stages and then mingle to get private dances or more tips. The privates are just in the back of the bar and absolutely not private in any way, but some of them got quite frisky. Privates are $ 20. I was very pleased with my visit, even though I wish the dancers were mixing better, some patrons tend to occupy some a bit too long and sometimes they go in the back for unnecessary long breaks. But I will absolutely go back but probably not make a trip just for this.

My biggest advice on Seeking for both sides of the potential arrangement, is be prepared for wildly varied expectations. Like you @fedssocr1 I simply tell the gentleman that doesn’t meet my expectations to take care, and I’m sure he’ll find a match on Seeking, but it’s not me.
The process takes an immense amount of patience and messaging, it’s not for everyone. That said…I have met some really high quality young men who don’t expect a huge “allowance”. I aim for a hard working student, where what I can share with him makes a difference in his life, sometimes that’s in dollars, sometimes (more rare) that’s just fun experiences. I’m currently seeing two different guys right now, one is a student in the Midwest who has traveled with me a couple times….and wants nothing more than the travel experience…although I Venmo him some cash after each trip.
Another’s a student more local to me who gets a visit allowance very close to what a local RM escort would get…but I get hours of entertainment and fun, not just a one hour appointment.
It’s hit/miss, like I said not for everyone but I’ve been fortunate and enjoy the SA experience.

Take the conversation off-site before discussing anything physical or your account will get banned. Think about your ideal arrangement and be upfront and honest. It’s easy to waste a LOT of time on that site if you aren’t direct about expectations. But again, take the conversation off-site.
I also recommend immediately blocking anyone who messages you that you aren’t interested in, so they can’t make a frivolous complaint about you. 

Take the conversation off-site before discussing anything physical or your account will get banned. Think about your ideal arrangement and be upfront and honest. It’s easy to waste a LOT of time on that site if you aren’t direct about expectations. But again, take the conversation off-site.
I also recommend immediately blocking anyone who messages you that you aren’t interested in, so they can’t make a frivolous complaint about you. 

Take the conversation off-site before discussing anything physical or your account will get banned. Think about your ideal arrangement and be upfront and honest. It’s easy to waste a LOT of time on that site if you aren’t direct about expectations. But again, take the conversation off-site.
I also recommend immediately blocking anyone who messages you that you aren’t interested in, so they can’t make a frivolous complaint about you. 

Take the conversation off-site before discussing anything physical or your account will get banned. Think about your ideal arrangement and be upfront and honest. It’s easy to waste a LOT of time on that site if you aren’t direct about expectations. But again, take the conversation off-site.
I also recommend immediately blocking anyone who messages you that you aren’t interested in, so they can’t make a frivolous complaint about you. 

Take the conversation off-site before discussing anything physical or your account will get banned. Think about your ideal arrangement and be upfront and honest. It’s easy to waste a LOT of time on that site if you aren’t direct about expectations. But again, take the conversation off-site.
I also recommend immediately blocking anyone who messages you that you aren’t interested in, so they can’t make a frivolous complaint about you. 

Take the conversation off-site before discussing anything physical or your account will get banned. Think about your ideal arrangement and be upfront and honest. It’s easy to waste a LOT of time on that site if you aren’t direct about expectations. But again, take the conversation off-site.
I also recommend immediately blocking anyone who messages you that you aren’t interested in, so they can’t make a frivolous complaint about you. 

I usually keep some extra cash in a separate pocket from the fee (easily accessible) and tip if we go over on time or he has a lower than market rate and provides a memorable experience. Other than that, or if he has a high rate for the market, I don’t tip.

Anyone who has followed this Forum knows that several of us already have. 

First meets have always been a crap shoot for me. One time the guy kept saying he wanted a good steak dinner so I made reservations at a nice restaurant and he showed up in a tshirt and ripped jeans. Another guy gave himself a preemptive ‘out’ via text before we met, which I am completely fine with. Unfortunately for him I was the one not interested and I insisted he not change his other plans after we had our drinks.
 
My approach has been evolving, and I rarely compensate for the initial meeting, I only pay for the dinner/drinks. Coffee shops tend to be too close of quarters for my taste so I’ll go for a bar that won’t be busy or a restaurant that I know offers some privacy, and I stay away from the gayborhood. If I’m traveling I make them suggest a place. I’ve hooked up on the first meeting just once. We never discussed compensation and the next morning he gave me a list of all of his bills so I could choose which ones to pay!
 
If we’re a match I’ll work out the details later via text. If we’re not a match I lie and tell them I realized that paying isn’t my thing. That hasn’t seemed to offend anyone as it saves them a rejection that might be based on appearance, and we’ve always parted on good terms.
 
Another thing I have to share is that my last regular was very attractive and fun to hang out with but he was such a dud in the bedroom that I finally had to let him go. I don’t think it was as simple as him not being attracted to me either because he told me about a guy he was casually dating who would get mad at him when they were fooling around. It’s just so odd to think that there are some really hot guys who are duds in the bedroom!

If you own your own place and it's in your name, that information is available for anyone who cares to look it up. For that matter mortgages are public record so they can find out how much you owe on the place and your monthly payment if so inclined. So if you're that concerned, don't have them over to your place at all, or wait until it's someone you've seen a few times and have some level of trust with.

Not so odd @Studsearcher - bedroom skills have to be learned.
 
I had a similar experience on an ordinary first date when I was in my late 20s; he was 2 years younger and had a very fit body. After an enjoyable evening, we went to bed. His body was even better than I thought. He was wonderfully muscled and he just lay there. It was like making love to a marvelous marble statue…but I don’t enjoy topping a statue. A sexy friend of mine (the same age as him) was interested and they had a date the next week. When my friend confided that in bed he had the same result, I was so relieved.
 
Further on ”adult education”, when I was in my 40s I had a good date with a 25 year old hot-bodied working guy. He had a bubble butt that I readily enjoyed, but his cocksucking was basic. I didn’t see him again until about 4-5 years later: his physique was even better, he still enjoyed being a bottom…but his oral skills were off the chart! He worshipped my cock: he kissed it, licked all of it and my balls and he sucked me off slowly and lovingly. I could only conclude that in the intervening years he had sucked LOTS of cocks and become much more skilled.

First meets have always been a crap shoot for me. One time the guy kept saying he wanted a good steak dinner so I made reservations at a nice restaurant and he showed up in a tshirt and ripped jeans. Another guy gave himself a preemptive ‘out’ via text before we met, which I am completely fine with. Unfortunately for him I was the one not interested and I insisted he not change his other plans after we had our drinks.
 
My approach has been evolving, and I rarely compensate for the initial meeting, I only pay for the dinner/drinks. Coffee shops tend to be too close of quarters for my taste so I’ll go for a bar that won’t be busy or a restaurant that I know offers some privacy, and I stay away from the gayborhood. If I’m traveling I make them suggest a place. I’ve hooked up on the first meeting just once. We never discussed compensation and the next morning he gave me a list of all of his bills so I could choose which ones to pay!
 
If we’re a match I’ll work out the details later via text. If we’re not a match I lie and tell them I realized that paying isn’t my thing. That hasn’t seemed to offend anyone as it saves them a rejection that might be based on appearance, and we’ve always parted on good terms.
 
Another thing I have to share is that my last regular was very attractive and fun to hang out with but he was such a dud in the bedroom that I finally had to let him go. I don’t think it was as simple as him not being attracted to me either because he told me about a guy he was casually dating who would get mad at him when they were fooling around. It’s just so odd to think that there are some really hot guys who are duds in the bedroom!

First meets have always been a crap shoot for me. One time the guy kept saying he wanted a good steak dinner so I made reservations at a nice restaurant and he showed up in a tshirt and ripped jeans. Another guy gave himself a preemptive ‘out’ via text before we met, which I am completely fine with. Unfortunately for him I was the one not interested and I insisted he not change his other plans after we had our drinks.
 
My approach has been evolving, and I rarely compensate for the initial meeting, I only pay for the dinner/drinks. Coffee shops tend to be too close of quarters for my taste so I’ll go for a bar that won’t be busy or a restaurant that I know offers some privacy, and I stay away from the gayborhood. If I’m traveling I make them suggest a place. I’ve hooked up on the first meeting just once. We never discussed compensation and the next morning he gave me a list of all of his bills so I could choose which ones to pay!
 
If we’re a match I’ll work out the details later via text. If we’re not a match I lie and tell them I realized that paying isn’t my thing. That hasn’t seemed to offend anyone as it saves them a rejection that might be based on appearance, and we’ve always parted on good terms.
 
Another thing I have to share is that my last regular was very attractive and fun to hang out with but he was such a dud in the bedroom that I finally had to let him go. I don’t think it was as simple as him not being attracted to me either because he told me about a guy he was casually dating who would get mad at him when they were fooling around. It’s just so odd to think that there are some really hot guys who are duds in the bedroom!

First meets have always been a crap shoot for me. One time the guy kept saying he wanted a good steak dinner so I made reservations at a nice restaurant and he showed up in a tshirt and ripped jeans. Another guy gave himself a preemptive ‘out’ via text before we met, which I am completely fine with. Unfortunately for him I was the one not interested and I insisted he not change his other plans after we had our drinks.
 
My approach has been evolving, and I rarely compensate for the initial meeting, I only pay for the dinner/drinks. Coffee shops tend to be too close of quarters for my taste so I’ll go for a bar that won’t be busy or a restaurant that I know offers some privacy, and I stay away from the gayborhood. If I’m traveling I make them suggest a place. I’ve hooked up on the first meeting just once. We never discussed compensation and the next morning he gave me a list of all of his bills so I could choose which ones to pay!
 
If we’re a match I’ll work out the details later via text. If we’re not a match I lie and tell them I realized that paying isn’t my thing. That hasn’t seemed to offend anyone as it saves them a rejection that might be based on appearance, and we’ve always parted on good terms.
 
Another thing I have to share is that my last regular was very attractive and fun to hang out with but he was such a dud in the bedroom that I finally had to let him go. I don’t think it was as simple as him not being attracted to me either because he told me about a guy he was casually dating who would get mad at him when they were fooling around. It’s just so odd to think that there are some really hot guys who are duds in the bedroom!

First meets have always been a crap shoot for me. One time the guy kept saying he wanted a good steak dinner so I made reservations at a nice restaurant and he showed up in a tshirt and ripped jeans. Another guy gave himself a preemptive ‘out’ via text before we met, which I am completely fine with. Unfortunately for him I was the one not interested and I insisted he not change his other plans after we had our drinks.
 
My approach has been evolving, and I rarely compensate for the initial meeting, I only pay for the dinner/drinks. Coffee shops tend to be too close of quarters for my taste so I’ll go for a bar that won’t be busy or a restaurant that I know offers some privacy, and I stay away from the gayborhood. If I’m traveling I make them suggest a place. I’ve hooked up on the first meeting just once. We never discussed compensation and the next morning he gave me a list of all of his bills so I could choose which ones to pay!
 
If we’re a match I’ll work out the details later via text. If we’re not a match I lie and tell them I realized that paying isn’t my thing. That hasn’t seemed to offend anyone as it saves them a rejection that might be based on appearance, and we’ve always parted on good terms.
 
Another thing I have to share is that my last regular was very attractive and fun to hang out with but he was such a dud in the bedroom that I finally had to let him go. I don’t think it was as simple as him not being attracted to me either because he told me about a guy he was casually dating who would get mad at him when they were fooling around. It’s just so odd to think that there are some really hot guys who are duds in the bedroom!

I did end up meeting with him, and I don’t recommend. His pictures are either quite outdated or not him. He was lazy in bed, and didn’t bother to ‘clean’ before my visit.
 
not worth $300 let alone any money at all. Lol

Yes @The_Impeccable_G but without giving anything away to identify the young man
 
To put it in context, I should mention I have one Golden Rule about first dates. It‘s my view that everyone presents the best version of himself on a first date. So if the man is rude or insulting (especially to the wait staff) or behaves badly or something seems not quite right/feels ‘off’ or if there’s some discrepancy with what I was told earlier, there is no second date. That’s s my Golden Rule.
 
He was working full-time and living in London. He was my type: early 20s, university-educated, decent looks, athletic body; very compatible with my being a top only; and he was keen to meet an older man. I suggested drinks but he countered with dinner so we could get to know each other better.
 
Alarm-bell 1: He asked where I was taking him to dinner. He approved my choice of a fashionable restaurant and I booked at the time he stipulated.
 
Alarm-bell 2: I arrived 5 minutes early but he was already there. He told me he’d expected me to be there to greet him; I smiled and gently pointed out I was early. He countered with he’d been waiting for 10 minutes.
 
Alarm-bell 3: I suggested a glass of wine. He said No, let’s have a bottle.
 
Alarm-bell 4: He was dismissive to the nice waiter…and a little later, snapped at him.
 
Alarm-bell 5: He happened to spill some wine on his shirt. When I suggested he dab some water on the stain, he snapped at me You think I don’t know how to do laundry?! Apparently it was a new shirt he’d bought to impress me.
 
Alarm-bell 6: I was thinking how to smooth over his upset, when he said What? So now you’re not talking to me just because I raised my voice to you?
 
Alarm-bell 7: I’d been making pleasant conversation and asking him about his job, his interests, his likes and dislikes etc. I made a mental note that he had not asked me anything. Then he abruptly remarked on the new iPhone. He said he wanted the one in rose-gold. I murmured Isn’t that expensive? He replied Not for you.
 
Luckily, then our first courses arrived

I made an attempt to catch up after all these months away, but I gave up. I just skipped to the last page and it is still too much. So let me drop my 2cs for what I think it is being mostly discussed, and I apologize if I sound out of place, as I probably will be.
 
I do not think that making generalizations about who the guys in SA are, or about what they want, or about how educated in the trade they are, is a productive approach. In my experience, the diversity of the offer in SA is out of the charts. Do not waste your time trying to figure it out a stereotype that does not exist.
 
Instead, focus on who you are, what you want, and what you are willing to trade for it. Notice that I did not say pay but trade for it. It is possible to offer things like lessons, school work, an extra room at your place, or whatever you have that may be appealing for these young guys.
 
Navigating SA takes a lot of time, much more than just going to a rent boys website to pick one from the menu. To cut the waist of time, I learned to make clear in my opening what I was willing to give. Far from bragging and faking a wealth I do not possess, I was transparent. I would make clear that my extra cash was very limited. This simple strategy, once I learned it, was a key for my success. Once I was left with the smaller universe of the guys I was able to afford, I was ready to find out what they were looking for. Let me insist: the offer is very diverse in all senses.
 
I am too lazy to go back to my blog and look for the reports, but about three years ago I spent a full month exploring intensively the site, and shared all my failures and successes. I do remember that the beginning was frustrating but it paid off in the long term.

Unsure which market you are in but that seems like a premium rate for which you should expect a premium experience. An experienced provider should be able to avoid such a situation, or at least handle it better than that.

Unsure which market you are in but that seems like a premium rate for which you should expect a premium experience. An experienced provider should be able to avoid such a situation, or at least handle it better than that.

Unsure which market you are in but that seems like a premium rate for which you should expect a premium experience. An experienced provider should be able to avoid such a situation, or at least handle it better than that.

I don’t understand @kko123. From what you have written above, you’re experienced in approaching guys on IG. So why were you asking in posts #1519 and #1520 on how to do this?
 
The topic has been raised before in other threads (re economics of modeling and how to approach handsome guys online). My advice is to be very polite, assure them you will be discreet and generous, invite them for drinks and dinner, and then follow through on your assurances.