CMail01

I had about four massages from him early-to-mid 2018 (I could walk to his place from work). I think the rudeness via text is really rooted in his lack of English, although his current ad really is off-putting. And the part about whether hairy, might you have been asking about the erotic massage? He said hairy guys really chafed and scruffed him up during his maneuvers, which were incredibly lame for “erotic” massage techniques. I thought the massage was fine, but the rest was mechanical.

I used to find Trace Michaels hot, but then he went all stainless steel. I have an aversion to metal, especially around the genitals. I can't go near the stuff. If I discovered my massage therapist wore a Prince Albert, I'd never book another appointment with him. I like nipple play with a massage, but if the therapist has nipple piercings, I won't touch his. I've tried to make it work, but it's a mental block for me.

When it’s seamlessly worked into a sensual massage, prostate stimulation can be magic!! Your hygiene is essential for this, plan accordingly.
In whatever locale you want this to happen, do cross-platform research. Start with masseurs, find some you like who do sensual and erotic massage. Check on escort sites to see if they also advertise on one of those. Between Daddy and the reviews on each site, along the 411’s here, you might rule out one or two. If a sensual/erotic masseur has good reviews, AND is available for more directly sexual services, he‘s the (first) one to ask. Tell him what you’re looking for and what you’re not. If he doesn’t get it, thank him and move on to the next. Odds are you’ll find the right table to be on sooner than you think. Keep in mind there may be providers who are not available for their usual services right now. A post-hunkering search might be required...
If the only thing that has ever been up your bum is a doctor’s finger, get a small dildo and acquaint yourself with sensations that it brings - perfect instructional new hobby while in self isolation. Even if it’s not the hobby you’ll chat about on zoom with Mother...but then, I don’t know your mother. Good luck!

Oh, bless your heart. You’re in for a lot of reading. ? Did you try searching “prostate”? Should bring up some stuff.

I remember how startled I was when an escort said he liked my kissing and was tired of so many clients immediately trying to eat his face. It’s been said that the best cock sucking is by one who is making love to the cock. Not chowing down, but starting out gently with lips caressing. Same goes for lip kissing.

Ask a good mate you trust and smack a good one on them, they’ll tell you. If someone has never told you you’re a phenomenal kisser, you probably are not.
 
Truthfully, I loveee a transparent and honest client. Clients are so afraid to say I’m not good at x, y, z to an escort. You’re not getting paid to be good at anything you do, we are. I would much rather a client say, “how’s my kissing?” Or “how was that?” Or “I’m not sure I’m the best kisser” and I aid you in your “technique” rather than aggressively having my face eaten and being turned off. Really. Speak up.

In the Army overseas, the open showers were next to the bedroom in some barracks. Even all these years later, I won't forget the names of two of shower mates - one from Iowa; one from Arkansas. Good memories ❤️.

I'm down to make him the meat in a sandwich with another dude.

This one I believe has been posted before but will post again just because!!
 
https://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph58bc1153badd5

I’m sorry that happened to you. Your tone was polite throughout and you didn’t insist on or require a time change — you merely offered it as a possibility. The provider could have easily said “let’s stick with 5 so I have a chance to eat beforehand”; in fact, I’ve had that exact convo with a provider before, and it didn’t lead to any awkwardness whatsoever. Whatever his typical reviews are like, I’m with Reisr30 on this one: consider this a dodged bullet on a bad day.

Maybe he was having a bad day but hey perhaps you dodged a bullet. Who knows what he would have been like in person. At the end of the day you are the client and your messages seem reasonable; it’s up to him if he wants to lose a client by not having good customer service skills...

I can think of absolutely zero situations where I want the masseur to tell me about how they are struggling in life.
 

I can see the resemblance but Colby isn’t that ripped and hairy tho he’s also on the shorter side

I know that you didn't ask me, but I am doing the same as @7829V. However, you said that you are trying to figure out what type of guy gets these responses. I have been doing the same, but am 2+ years into the game...with similar results...and I am not the Hot Otter with great chest and a 9" dick.
 
I would be characterized as a Daddy Bear. Mid-50s, beard, moderately hairy, thick build with a belly. Masculine with a very "str8" appearance. I do have a good face and a thick 8". I wear a t-shirt & thin shorts with no underwear. Sometimes guys ask me to get nude as well. I typically don't, but that does give me the green light...if things go in that direction.
 
My ad only shows a pair of embraced hands. I do share a face pic and pics of my setup (table, oils/lotions, ...). I do not speak sex either. If they come sexually aggressive, I pass them by. If they ask if more than massage is offered (depending on how the communication has been with them), I will respond with "The focus on the session is massage. However, sometimes things may pop off depending on the vibe".
 
One of the challenges that I find is that grindr is location based. Therefore, after a while, you exhaust all the potential clientel unless you are in a very transient area. I have expanded to Craigslist (yes you can still carefully advertise there) and Doublelist since these have a wider geolocation.
 
Oh...and I know this forum is M4M, but I get M/F couples and sometimes single women responding to my ads as well. The couples can be lots of fun.

Dear xxx, and to the rest of the providers, who require payment up front, I say two things… One, have the guts to put that information in your profile. I guarantee that it will generate an honest discussion regarding your talents and the client’s expectations. Second, to those (xxx,) who wait until the client is disrobed to request payment, I say (metaphorically speaking,) “eat shit and die.” And finally, to those who get a bee in their bonnet for me having voiced this opinion, spare me some tragic story about how you’ve been burned.

Agree - I always take into account what I know about the poster; if not a known contributor I am reluctant to share details.

go with your instincts here; I've those experiences where I felt uncomfortable about the inquiry and just ignored it

Not crazy about the masseur's look (or the client's) but to me this is the quintessential "sensual" massage!

The name is reminiscent of the unfortunate character who "Sleeps with the fishes," in the Godfather

It absolutely did. You painted the entire picture. I appreciate it!

Ah, well. I always show my face. I send a pic showing it. Also I sent a pic shirtless. (I don't have a pic posted in my profile, and I have no info -just basic stats-, no age). I'd say I'm what the gay community calls an 'otter'. Lean, hairy. I'm not muscular or athletic. I don't have extra pounds either. Just regular build, I'd say. I'm in my early 40s, but usually they say I look younger (30s). I've facial hair. I haven't lost my head hair. I'm not like an "alpha" male, I'm just a regular "masculine" guy. I'm Hispanic (with an accent, been in the USA a few years). I never discuss sexual stuff in grindr or send nudes. not sure if that gives you a better idea. and that answers your question

But can you complete one final piece, for me at least, of this plan’s possible success: you seem to have a 9” dick <coughnice!> that they don’t know about, and you show your torso first that peaks their interest, and then you show your face. Are you good looking, in great shape, etc? And what is your approx age? Just trying to figure out what “type” of guy you are getting all this response.

I miss the AOL chat rooms

where do i begin......
 
if i am thinking about the guy i think you are talking about thats too bad. "my" guy i met a few times a year or so ago when he was new las vegas and to the business. was a really cool guy back then. very smiley and happy. didnt see him since, then and all of a sudden i get a text that he needs $50 and that we should have a session and i can just subtract that amount from the session. told him "no can do". he tried to persuade me to do so then he realized from my texts that im not one to mess with like that. he stopped the texts.
 
unfortunately, many "straight" guys feel that this becomes a fucked up dead end life for them and the issues start to flow. a few understand the enormous business potential that this can create for themselves and they do quite well in life. zeb atlas and ryan from new york both come to mind.
 
now for you. i feel bad about this. many men have such a need to be liked and loved that THEY ruin a good part of their lives. usually the financial part. you met a guy once and felt compelled to dump over $35 grand on him after a few sessions? wow. send me $5 grand and i'll be happy to fly anywhere in the world you want to go! lol
 
first off, you make way too much money too easily and really have no respect for it. two, what you are truly looking for (love, support, kindness) has very little to do with a business transaction. i'm glad you realized this toxic situation but i sense this isnt the first and unfortunately wont be the last one. i feel for you. i really do. but as i've said many many times on here, this is and has to stay a business relationship. then and only then can this work. i hope you come to terms with your own personal issues and not think this has anything to do with the escort. it doesnt. he is spiraling out of control and you just happened to be there at the wrong place and at the wrong time. thanks for sharing your story. "feelings" has to rarely if ever come into play when your pocket book is involved. good luck

This thread of 71 pages long so far and I still love it. Thanks for all the links, guys.