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Even after meeting, can't be certain. Spent most of the time face down. Dim studio. Educated guess: yes, same person. Don't infer anything from phone #. I know rentguys with multiple contact numbers.... some use a different number for each site on which they advertise. It helps them keep inquiries clear. I know a guy with a different number for RM, Jock2go, and friendboy. others use diff numbers for ads as scorts vs masseurs. Multiple numbers are easily obtained on devices these days, particularly if some are free internet or VOiP accounts.

Saddened... but I havent been in there in 10+ years. And the advertised dancers havent appealed to me in years. So, I wont complain about a death I did nothing to prevent. I'd guess its a confluence of events. Real estate is surely a factor. As is internet porn, camshows, Grindr, and even changing acceptance, social norms. I wont lament if younger gays dont want lapdances, dont demand gloryholes and bathhouses, or even gay bars, because theyre comfortable being open in other public venues.

I also live in flats. But then... so did the homeowners in Santa Rosa. The dam, reservoir, conservation issue is frustrating. The awareness that, when we finally get much needed rain, like winter 2016-17... vast majority of it simply runs through the watershed out to sea is beyond exasperating. And then, add in that the juicy warm storms melt the snowpack on which we rely.... its absurd. But, I shouldnt lament too much.... for these hot days are also "earthquake weather"... and who knows... maybe theres no such thing as natural phenomena, and everything is caused by Twitter, Facebook and other social media.

@sniper got it right. I declined... so dont know hotel info I got contacted in LV by a cute cub-type... he eventually said he and big bear partner do 4-handed for $$. I declined. Grindr seemed to be gateway to everything in LV. Got contacted by rentguys, drug offers, and, of course, every imaginable hookup and fetish. Some a little scary... like "Im 17, here with my parents, can I come learn from you..." I dont even want that unsolicited stuff on my phone or app history.... I gave up on Grindr and apps when home in SF Bay. Theyre useless in my suburban locale.... might be different if I wasnt a Bridge &Tunnel guy. But watching this thread makes me wonder about reloading Grindr and having pic of massage table to send (not profile pic) to see if any local results

Very informative thread. Ive been contacted on Grindr by pro masseurs... when in Vegas. Ive been considering just adding a picture of a massage table when on Grindr... to see if it enhances responses.

Ive never looked for documentation or scientific proof.... but.... High school physics, and personal experience: Its often more effective to point a fan out a window, rather than in, to cool a room. A fan blowing on you will feel good, as it evaporates your perspiration.... but its really not cooling. If you can get a cross-breeze, or pull in cooler air from other parts of the home, point the fan out. The only benefit of oscillation is a breeze hitting multiple room occupants, so that they perceive relief. In general, oscillating fans "pressurize" a room, resulting in diminished air-exchanges; the room gets hotter. Just point the fan and run it, creating a current that moves air through the room. Seems counter-intuitive, and its likely situational to rooms' physical specifics. But its worked for me.

So far, fingers crossed, we arent having horrific heat in Northern California this summer. So far. It'll be 98-100° today here in the inland burbs, the highest of the week. We frequently top 100 during summer The microclimates of the San Francisco Bay Area still fascinate me... 25+ years after moving here. 21 miles away, towards the Pacific, SF will be 72°. In my years in CA, fire season seems to come earlier every year. In my first decade in CA, fire season was a few months, end of Summer, until rains. Sept & Oct. The West is burning right now. Fire season is almost all year round. There's a big fire burning about 1 hour north of the Bay Area. A little more than a week-old, its 48% contained. There's a bizarre disbelief when you step outside and cars are covered in ash carried that far. The smell of smoke is pervasive. Skies were orange for a few days. The cycle will continue for the next several months. Good thoughts to @Epigonos and other members in SoCal... where current conditions and fires look particularly brutal.

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I'll write a review.... Pan is a genuinely nice guy. With excellent masseur skills. May have been the best therapeutic massage of my life.

1990-2006. Anytime I talked about best locations with escorts, even dancers at NobHill, they always opined that business was best, clients friendliest and least likely to flake, in Texas. Haven't discussed it with any provider in years. My best backpacking, probably not good for rentguy business... southeast Alaska. There are many places on earth about which much can be said: views, trails, natural beauty, challenges, etc. S.E. Alaska has all of those plus one unique thing I found around Juneau, in Glacier Bay, etc. - the ground actually feels softer, spongier. My (maybe wacky) hypothesis... millenia of temperate rainforest growth and decay make for softer earth... better hiking/walking. And great weather in Summer.

Yes, he was very responsive. I may still go for a try...

Intermission at a San Francisco production of School of Rock. Next show I attend... I'm printing out 20-30 copies of the article. Going early. Leaving a printed copy on every seat around me

Saw Pan

Maybe just a traveler looking to cover lodging costs. Almost anything we can imagine has been done. I used to meet a guy in SF, based out of NY area . His lodging was covered for his entire stay, but the sponsoring client left him days on his own. I did a full 24 hours with him in a Union Square area hotel, and I didn't pay a penny for lodging. Prior visit, dropped him at a VanNess hotel after he spent overnight at my suburban home... (my curiosity that he didnt mind paying for but not using room is how I found out....) "Don't Ask, Don't Get" Probably worth a try if done politely... even if it seldom yields results.... occassionally pays off.

Piqued my interest, a little searching. Ashantyea7 on Chaturbate.

Hmmm...thanks. I've not only seen the ads where he identifies himself as Pan Pat, the A4A ad in which he does is where I got his phone #. And I still didn't connect that they're one and the same. Thanks much.

Well, Im still skeptical,but as previously noted, not 100% opposed to discretion-driven pic choices. Many of the current RM faceless pics are on that escortfish, backpage re-churn. And the escortfish pics definitely match Jeff Grant's pics on his Instagram. Ive narrowed my selection to two... and so far, Kevin has not replied to text or RM msg. The other guy has. Its 4th, so Im being patient

No surprise, unless addicted and in denial. There are similar corporate efforts to encourage addiction to phones and other devices http://flip.it/GdUowI

Second tbe appreciation. I discovered these posts after my first LV visit in years, but before my second. And helpful for my upcoming 3rd.

As hes arriving in SF... Updated his ad. Shows many face pics. While image search doesn't lead directly to Jeff Grant, I did find this: https://escortfish.ch/ad/view/m4m-companionship/4593703 and one of those is Jeff Grant.

Dont HATE any of 'em. But many frustrate me. I spent 3 years as a marketing manager for a Fortune 500 company. Every promotional campaign required legal review. Result: carefully crafted messages. Couldn't say ours was better, had to say "no one else's is better." Because they're really all the same. As a result, I'm tuned to hear exactly what they say, not what they imply. All the NSAID and cold medications promising "maximum dose", etc. The latest that jumps out at me.. an auto fuel campaign, I think its Chevron, touting that "no one delivers better fuel performance...." Theres a lot of behavioral science for advertising. Humans are incredibly impressionable. And, we hear what we want to hear. Our economy is based on it. Its how elections are decided. Its effectiveness grows along with information overload, or bombardment. But, when one pauses to really listen and consider the information, they're often saying something different than what they want you to hear.

Suburbanite with evening plans in San Francisco. I am generally disinclined to seek out masseurs, prefer escorts. However, things have been very hectic lately, and I'm thinking a late afternoon massage might be a nice way to start. Specifically, a masseur with genuine skills, maybe certified. Very clean place with shower, because I need to clean up and proceed to evening plans. Not impossible parking, (seeking good, convenient parking in SF is just foolish. ) I'm considering: https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/35715/ https://rentmasseur.com/Leothelionx And the much reviewed Pan And curious as to why so many guys here rave about Karl Kang.

Decided not to go. Thanks to respondents

Unfortunately, not everyone is mentally/emotionally stable. 'nuff said