Dmitri

And the client is owed 4 things in return.....respect, cleanliness, the masseur being ready for the client if an incall, or showing up on time if an outcall , and freedom from discrimination based on the client's race, age, or body type.

Link does not work. Can't find Miles on RM or MF. Is he still around? Link?

They do not care about your looks or body. The only thing they care about is your money. You are answering a massage ad.....not a personals dating ad. Make your appointment and you will be fine.

@dreamboy13 , loved your post! It sounds like a HOT experience. The thing I enjoyed the most was your writing style. The way you wrote it really sets the mood and makes the reader feel like we are there! You should check out www.literotica.com. It reminds me of things I read on there. Maybe write something for that site also. You have a great way of expressing yourself. Thanks for sharing your time in Thailand!

Ian is the absolute best. That body, that face, hung, with a hot accent...and in addition gives THE BEST massage I have ever experienced. I am at a loss for words of how good it is. Hands of magic. He is the cream of the crop. Wish he was here all the time. Can't wait to see him again in June.

Instead of dragging this out for the next few years (and possibly the rest of your life), my suggestion is next time you have a session....ask if you can be undraped. Simple. Basic. Question. If he says Yes.....that is a great sign. If he says No....you have your answer which direction he wants to go in. You will save yourself all this frustration and angst just by asking him that question. If he says he wants to keep you draped ( as in he wants to keep it therapeutic) you can then pick up the pieces of your life and move on, and save yourself all this frustration and drama.

I am a bit confused on the ground rules on posting in the Spa forum re: specific masseurs and what they will provide in addition to massage, such as sexual services. This would include a masseur being naked, oral, happy ending, etc. It says we are to be careful when posting "so as not to compromise their licenses." I know some will say "PM me for details" as in "private message me." Others though, will list a masseur by name, with a link to their ad, and ask the forum if they provide mutual touch, HE, etc. And many will openly discuss the masseur and what sexual services they provided. I just saw Jake in Chicago ( a masseur) joined the forum, and was not happy his name, and massage ad link, was mentioned re: oral. If you scroll thru the posts you will see many guys openly discussing , and asking, what sexual services a specific masseur provides. Is this okay, or should we only PM each other with this info? I feel being this open can actually jeopardize the masseur's license, and get them in possible trouble with law enforcement. Yet I see it all the time in posts. Never know what eyes are viewing this forum. Look at Rentboy. We never thought that would happen after 20 years online.

Agreed. If he is in the "Relax" section on MF.....but ONLY offers Therapeutic clothed.....then he needs to be in the "Heal" section, since that is where he belongs. He is fully aware that being in the "Relax" section is code for "something else will happen"....at the very least the masseur will be nude. Masseurs who ONLY offer Therapeutic will put in their ad copy "Strictly Therapeutic" Or "Non-Sexual Only". I have seen this many times. They want to make sure no clients come to them expecting more. Layne seems to like the "grey area" to get clients in his door, and posts in Relax. Maybe someone who has been to him can let him know he should post "Strictly Therapeutic" and "Non-Sexual Only" in his ad, so there is no confusion. Be interesting to see if he takes the advice. If he does not, then we have our answer on his business model.

I think the clients that want to be discrete want the discretion not because of "illegal activity". I think it has to do more with the fact they are probably married or in relationships and need the discretion for that reason.

Confused. His rates are higher than he posts if nude, HE, etc? As in upsell?

Since he was an out gay guy.....and I assume you are also, I am surprised you could both hold back until the third session. I understand you were going for therapeutic, but putting two out gay men in a massage situation like you described, plus you found him sexy, shows much restraint. And he was obviously interested in you, (from how you described your third session.) so he was holding back also. What control you both had the first 2 sessions ....amazing.

@Smurof , how about texting him this the next time he contacts you...." My husband has access to this phone. Please do not text me again, since my privacy and discretion are at risk. I will contact you when I am ready. Again, no more texts. Thanks for understanding." Hopefully that will work. I have had the same issue from a few eager masseurs who wanted more of my business, and sent them that text. It has worked for me every time. Never heard from them again. Good luck!

A mix of all of the above. It also depends how much I need to relax and how horny I am. Then my "budget" goes out the window.

I am a big believer in not playing games. Maybe "the tease" is exciting for you, or others. We are all wired differently. It would drive me crazy to draw this out over multiple massages. This first massage at his house I would have just been upfront and asked "Can I be undraped?" Pure, simple question. Direct. He can either say yes or no. No games, no guessing.If he says yes...then you know which direction you are headed. If he says no....well, there is your answer. I had a situation similar to yours with a guy that did outcalls to my house. He knew I was gay and was cool with it. I knew he was straight with a girlfriend. After the first massage, I could feel the sexual tension. I just KNEW. I did not draw it out for months.I just cut to the chase and asked to be undraped on the 2nd massage. He said yes. Being undraped was the key. Once the sheet was off on the 2nd massage, he was massaging my ass ALOT. When I was on my front on the 2nd massage he saw my erection, and worked around it. I told him to do anything he was comfortable with. He said he was straight, but also curious. I won't go into all the details, but the massages from then on had a sexual component. This dance of "are we going to or not" could have dragged on for months, and driven me crazy. But by the 2nd massage I had my answer. He still comes (literally) over 2X a month and the sessions are orgasmic!

If you scroll through that site you can see it is a bogus site that does not mean much. It is just a porn site that lures you in and tries to get you to sign up for other porn sites.It is not a site that has people that have been "busted." That would be a great idea, but that is not what this site really does. Scroll thru and see for yourself.

Sounds like "The Deli" with escorts would get more response/advice and leads on nude housekeepers.....I am sure there are escorts that would be happy to provide that service.

Curious.....why is this in the massage forum?

Any extras or hint of sensual massage....or strictly therapeutic?

Wow.....lots of ways for you to figure it out. First, scope out his house when you arrive. Is there anyone else there? Like his wife? That would be one answer. Buzz kill If no one else is there, is there any indication that he lives alone? Maybe ask when you arrive, in a pleasant way, if he lives alone. Scope out his furnishings.....not to stereotype....but I think we can all tell a gay man's decor. That could be a tip off. Then when it comes to the massage, I assume you were draped in the chiropractor's office. If he drapes you at his house, tell him you prefer to be undraped. If he seems uncomfortable with that, odds are against you. But if he is totally open to that.....then you are going in the right direction. You had mentioned he grazes against you in the office. If he does that at his house , and you are undraped, and alone in his house.....then you take the directive and let your hands brush against him....and go from there. At this point, in conversation, mention you have had massages before with release, and ask if that is a service he would provide. From there, just let the magic unfold. You gotta live life, dude. You don't want to do nothing and make no attempts, and years from now when you are to old for this look back and kick yourself in the ass that you never tried and passed up something that could have been hot!

I am sure Kenny is a great guy who can "handle any strength feat" and has "superhuman strength"....., but this is a massage forum about masseurs who give great massages. These thread descriptions about Kenny are starting to sound like a circus sideshow brochure, and have nothing to do with massage. I am waiting for someone to say he can also "leap buildings in a single bound.....look, up in the sky...is it a bird?, is it a plane? No it is Kenny!" Let's keep this forum about massage. Maybe he belongs in another forum. Just saying...... ( and yes, I know he is a "nice guy" with "superhuman strength")

I doubt any masseur will do this. Once the client leaves with the video, it can end up ANYWHERE on the internet, or anywhere else. I don't think any masseur is that stupid. Talk about self incriminating for law enforcement.

Have you tried Craigslist? I just looked at the Paris listings on Craigslist and saw tons of masseurs.....some really hot ones! I looked under Paris...Men Seeking Men, which is where the erotic masseurs advertise. I know the reputation of Craigslist.....but it is worth a try if you have no other leads.

I think you just answered your own question

Is it just me. or is he a dead ringer for Nick Jonas in that photo?

Agree about Pasha. But still a hot, nice guy who gives a great massage. Well worth it.