TantricMD

Same works just as simply in reverse. If you expect me to pay 250+ for a massage, then act accordingly and make sure you massage "My neck, my throat, my back, my p****, and my...." 😌

I cannot emphasize this enough. Certainly there are some clients who are superficial and beguiled by physical beauty or are into muscle worship. But a provider’s ability to build rapport, find something attractive about a client, hold a decent conversation, and perform well sexually are all as important or moreso than perfect abs or 15 percent body fat. And the more mature I get, the more those qualities or lack thereof are what justifies the cost. 

Same works just as simply in reverse. If you expect me to pay 250+ for a massage, then act accordingly and make sure you massage "My neck, my throat, my back, my p****, and my...." 😌

My expectations are directly correlated to the rate the masseur is offering. There was a time not too long ago when the differences in masseur and escort rates were 100-200 or more. These pre covid rates (150-200) made it easy to limit my expectation to a therapeutic, sensual, or sometimes erotic massage in eager anticipation that there COULD (not guaranteed) be a connection to take things further if the chemistry was there for both.
These days, I am considered cheap for wanting a massage (nude, MT, HE, no sex) for 150. 
A lot of escorts have duplicated their ads on RMasseur but have not adjusted their rates to reflect a difference in services. If the same rates (250-500) apply to both massage and full service they can't be upset when I'm expecting all the extras. Isn't this why they put themselves on multiple ads at the full service rate?  They expect that the client will pay the higher rate, and the client should expect to get the full services even if responding to a massage ad. 
There are still several pros that have different competitive and affordable rates for massage vs. full service. It's all about communication to be sure all expectations are clear and met. I ask lots of questions and sometimes get labeled as a time waster. I don't agree when I haven't altered anyone's schedule just to get clarity on what the session includes. Some of the newer pros are coming out the gate with escort rates and get really upset that clients aren't lining up around the block to book an implied rub and tug if they think I'm attractive just because they posted on a massage site.
Make your rates make sense and the clients expectations will probably follow. 

Same works just as simply in reverse. If you expect me to pay 250+ for a massage, then act accordingly and make sure you massage "My neck, my throat, my back, my p****, and my...." 😌

I don’t hire escorts anymore because the prices have become insane. Average guys charging ridiculous prices. Since I’m not into anal I just hire guys that advertise for sensual massage. If they have private pics where they are nude, then I take a shot that they may be willing to play.  I have about 3 guys that I go to in NYC. Wish there were a few more. But I refuse to pay exorbitant prices for average guys that I can get on my own. 
 
 

Maybe part of the confusion is that you posted your services on rentmen instead of rentmasseur. 

My expectations are directly correlated to the rate the masseur is offering. There was a time not too long ago when the differences in masseur and escort rates were 100-200 or more. These pre covid rates (150-200) made it easy to limit my expectation to a therapeutic, sensual, or sometimes erotic massage in eager anticipation that there COULD (not guaranteed) be a connection to take things further if the chemistry was there for both.
These days, I am considered cheap for wanting a massage (nude, MT, HE, no sex) for 150. 
A lot of escorts have duplicated their ads on RMasseur but have not adjusted their rates to reflect a difference in services. If the same rates (250-500) apply to both massage and full service they can't be upset when I'm expecting all the extras. Isn't this why they put themselves on multiple ads at the full service rate?  They expect that the client will pay the higher rate, and the client should expect to get the full services even if responding to a massage ad. 
There are still several pros that have different competitive and affordable rates for massage vs. full service. It's all about communication to be sure all expectations are clear and met. I ask lots of questions and sometimes get labeled as a time waster. I don't agree when I haven't altered anyone's schedule just to get clarity on what the session includes. Some of the newer pros are coming out the gate with escort rates and get really upset that clients aren't lining up around the block to book an implied rub and tug if they think I'm attractive just because they posted on a massage site.
Make your rates make sense and the clients expectations will probably follow. 

Same works just as simply in reverse. If you expect me to pay 250+ for a massage, then act accordingly and make sure you massage "My neck, my throat, my back, my p****, and my...." 😌

My expectations are directly correlated to the rate the masseur is offering. There was a time not too long ago when the differences in masseur and escort rates were 100-200 or more. These pre covid rates (150-200) made it easy to limit my expectation to a therapeutic, sensual, or sometimes erotic massage in eager anticipation that there COULD (not guaranteed) be a connection to take things further if the chemistry was there for both.
These days, I am considered cheap for wanting a massage (nude, MT, HE, no sex) for 150. 
A lot of escorts have duplicated their ads on RMasseur but have not adjusted their rates to reflect a difference in services. If the same rates (250-500) apply to both massage and full service they can't be upset when I'm expecting all the extras. Isn't this why they put themselves on multiple ads at the full service rate?  They expect that the client will pay the higher rate, and the client should expect to get the full services even if responding to a massage ad. 
There are still several pros that have different competitive and affordable rates for massage vs. full service. It's all about communication to be sure all expectations are clear and met. I ask lots of questions and sometimes get labeled as a time waster. I don't agree when I haven't altered anyone's schedule just to get clarity on what the session includes. Some of the newer pros are coming out the gate with escort rates and get really upset that clients aren't lining up around the block to book an implied rub and tug if they think I'm attractive just because they posted on a massage site.
Make your rates make sense and the clients expectations will probably follow. 

Same works just as simply in reverse. If you expect me to pay 250+ for a massage, then act accordingly and make sure you massage "My neck, my throat, my back, my p****, and my...." 😌

JamesP, great topic btw - thanks for posting
I liked when you said lets talk about what really counts - the actual massage
TOO many times I am looking for feedback and see reply. I get excited but then only to find someone posting about  his x/dick/ass pics and NOTHING about the massage at all - Disappointing

Solid D-. I was hopeful given the profile. Everything from setting up the session, never getting the exact address (literally used objects and landmarks to direct me to the front door), having to wait 15min in my car, after our start time, while he got ready. Then to find the environment didn't look like much preparation or thought was given to create a relaxing space. Pics are outdated, and his skill is nonexistent. Splashing oil and rubbing it around with no real direction or sense of muscle manipulation. Not sexy. Cut my session short, paid half. Waste of time and money. 

Ironic that he simultaneously lists
"Into party" and also "healthy" in the same profile.
It's sad when young gay men spend so much time at the gym getting themselves looking so sexy only to blow it all away by getting addicted to meth. ☹️
 

Such an incredibly sexy man...with a seriously carved physique ! It seems so disrespectful to be so constantly focused on the exact size of his penis. 
Its like enjoying a wonderful piece of cake and asking your host how many teaspoons of sugar they used. Who cares? Just enjoy how delicious it was in your mouth. 😋

It’s the biz part of it 
and I get it
canceling me is fine 
not making me aware prior is the issue 

I chatted with him on Telegram, since it was indicated on his profile several weeks ago that he would be in NY on some of the days that I would be visiting NY. He was really nice to talk to. Unfortunately, by the time he arrived in NY, I had already left. Oh and he did inquire about the going rate in Manhattan, and I told him what the range was, so he will definitely be charging more than what he was charging in Argentina. 😂

Why in the world didn't you just walk out? If the place was dirty you should always walk out. And whatever you were there for if you had to stand up the whole time that's not acceptable. It also sounds like he was dirty and short changed you on time? That's a walk out immediately experience for most I would think.

You would be amazed at how many times this happens. A lot of these guys think having fit bodies gives them the right to charge $200 for less than 60 minutes. 

That's what drives me crazy about ads on rentmasseur. His is full of suggestive photos that have nothing to do with massage. His copy says nothing specific about training or use of a professional table. He shows up after partying all night and you get a mediocre massage from an untrained "provider" (a term I hate). 

That's irresponsible bull shit on his part. He should have canceled the session. I know it's not always easy for clients to cut a session short, but I would have gotten off the table, paid for time spent, and left. As clients we shouldn't have to put up with subpar performance from rip off posers. 

The rate’s now $200 according to his latest MF ad.
Guess the market finally gave him a reality check. Maybe those $350 sessions weren’t flying off the shelf after all. 😏 Supply met demand… and demand said, “Nah.”

https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/50773/
 
I texted to ask him how much and he responded with $350. 
 
pass. 

I usually fold the bills for the flat fee together in one pocket with the anticipated tip bills folded together in another pocket.  A trip to the bathroom after I get dressed allows me to change the tip amount if necessary.  

I love of masseurs in NYC are charging $200 or even $250 for 60 minutes with, and some don't even do HE or anything exciting.  Some are legit decent masseurs, but personally I think these rates are getting out of hand.