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There is another thread that makes it pretty easy to pass despite the athletic looks.

But wait, there's even more... You are not getting erotic. Maybe there is an upcharge, like $666.66? 🙂

This forum rocks, he is now in Tampa. Model looks & picture portfolio combined with frequent changes of location (and/or name) are major red flags in my book. Remember to use your big head 😉

Great idea, I'll do it next time, thanks! Market feedback is important, then it's up to them to use it any way they see fit. PS Oh, wait, he seems to have adjusted down.

Ridiculous rates IMHO. This is actually worse if the reviews are fake, it shows actual aspirations and "business model."

I am SO grateful for this site! Now in Tampa and lists $170 an hour while carefully hiding the types of massage he offers. I've always thought that the dreaded "now you can finish yourself" that many Russian masseurs will tell you in the end is one of the most demeaning things you could be in for when getting this service, but suggesting that the client can JO for an additional $60 leaves it in the dust. If he is THAT disgusted by it, why not simply turn around? Or not mention it at all. He should offer strictly therapeutic, but then he couldn't charge more than $120. A classical case of "hate the job, love the money." No wonder he has to move so often.

Pricey, LOL!

He went up to $200 an hour on his trip to FL not that long ago. I decided to pass as a matter of principle. I am glad he went back to a more sensible rate.

I agree 100%! While many are indeed scammers or likely to give you that cold & mood-killing "now you can finish yourself" instead of a HE at the end, some of my all time favorites are Russian/Ukrainian/Eastern European masseurs as well. Here are the first 3 that come to mind, they are all friendly, warm, smart, sexy, great masseurs, plus they deliver just the right amount of sensuality. https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/13627/ https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/23740/ https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/5122/ As far as Michael, he is on my list for next time I go to NYC. Based on the pix, one of the 5 or so masseurs I'd like to fuck, or MILF 🙂. SO my type, not that it is likely to happen, but definitely worth trying to see whether we can click, at least for a good sensual massage.

I think you made a good decision. With these rates, there should be nothing left to discuss, it should be an automatic yes. I suspect his business model is based on aggressive upcharges, which is a major turnoff for me. And what's up with $10 for 30 additional minutes beyond 60, is he math challenged or something?

I contacted him a couple of months ago, but he wouldn't discuss any sensual aspects before the actual meeting. I didn't pursue it further, his "baseline rates" seemed way too high to be non-committal wrt what they included. I'd be curious to hear more, though, maybe I got a wrong vibe?

AI could stand for artificial intelligence, artificial incoherence, or artificial idiocy. Looks like someone got confused and used a wrong app. 😉

I have to say that I am with you on this 100%. If everyone did this, we'd get rid of the scammers pretty fast. In fact, I have started fucking back recently and it feels great. I do 1 to 3 fake appointments depending on how assholy they were and whether they get the message. If they continue to be nasty, they get more fake appointments until they fold. I am even thinking about starting a topic "Scammers that I fucked back" ;-).

Meh. Avoid.

bump.

Now in Tampa. I am so grateful for this forum. This just reinforces my belief that hot travelers who charge over $200 an hour and whose pix suggest modeling aspirations are best avoided. Name changes make it orders of magnitude worse, of course.

There are some. Andrew in NYC, Nikola in Chicago, Alexy in FL, Brad in Pittsburgh. Can't think of any other. One of my favorites was Anthony in NYC, but it seems he is no longer in business 😞

Was this an answer to a question that mentioned HE? My question was neutral and was simply about his rates for different kinds of massage, and I was quoted $170. I got the clarification that HE was $40 extra when I specifically asked for it. This tells me he either prefers not to do it (more likely) or upsells, but maybe I am wrong. I am not saying don't hire him, just that one has to be careful with hot straight guys. In any case, please do give us an update if you decide to go for it!

I once rented a top of the line BMW and had a great & fun driving experience. I wouldn't do it again, though, much less buy that car. The value proposition just isn't there IMHO, and I wouldn't recommend it to 99% of the drivers, but I totally get it that some may disagree, which is why we see an M3 on the road once in a while. PS The value of each product or service is found in the gap between what is provided and the money paid. Saying "I don't care how much I'll pay" is never fully true or honest. Everyone cares at some point, whether it's measured in hundreds, thousands, or millions. If one is not ready to disclose how much they paid, their review is pretty useless to most forum participants no matter how raving it is.

WOW, contacted him out of curiosity, $230 for 60 minutes, $350 for 90. How to charge near escort rates for providing what is likely a sub-par massage. This one was easy to pass, my small head didn't even bother to chime in, and the big one was clear right away 😅😂🤣

Bump. Any recent experiences? Something tells me Eastern European, maybe Mediterranean. Name change from ApolloDemitri to ApolloDemi is a 🚩 but he seems cute & hot.

I didn't get it, my bigger head prevailed. 😉 Him charging $40 for a HE pretty much guarantees that he won't go anywhere near the glutes and hip flexors which are important to me. Plus I am so done with hot straight guys who hate certain aspects of this job but stick around because the money is just too good. Also, he disclosed this only when I specifically asked about it, so that tells me he was either going to upsell or, more likely, give me that dreaded & demeaning "now you can finish yourself" in the end. I also think it's manipulative and dishonest not to disclose on RM which types of massage he does. A clear case of "love the money, hate the job" IMHO, plus a dose of disdain for the people who pay him. No mas, decided to draw the line and feel pretty good about it.

Come on, guys, it can't be that no one has tried? Going to Orlando soon, my big head is skeptical, my small head is curious 😂🤣😅

Yep, there is that $40 upcharge, which is a deal breaker for me because it sets the stage in a wrong way. The total rate is acceptable, especially for 90 minutes (220+40), but the message is that he hates doing it. I don't want interaction with someone who is deep down repulsed by it. This line of work just isn't for a hot straight guy who hates doing it but can't resist because the money is too good IMHO. It just cannot work in the long run. BTW, he didn't disclose the surcharge right away, only when asked, which suggests that the unsuspecting client is in for a mood-killing upcharge or that infamous and so demeaning "now you can finish yourself" that so many Eastern European & Russian masseurs do. And another indicator that he doesn't want to do it, and that I should pass despite him being hot and trained.

Bumping this, now in central FL. I am curious about the menu card 😉