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So many paying guys fall prey to the photo fantasy. Luka knows the game. That's how guys like Luka stay in business. I'd bet he's closer to 50.

@MarkNY
Thanks for the details. I won't do the rental places anymore. They're just not worth it, no matter how hot the guy is. You can never really let go with other people around, and lord knows what's crawling around on the floors.
 
A work space has an effect on the masseur, especially if he loves the space he's working in. Given my former employment in high-end spas, I can't tolerate even a hint of filth. I also know how challenging and expensive it can be to maintain a clean environment. Hats off to all the guys who take their business seriously, and maintain a love for the sensual. They're not easy to find, but they deserve our loyalty.

Lol. Some of you are showing your age. This guy looks like your typical big-city IT professional. Or graphic artist. Or gluten-free waiter. I like the just got out of bed look as long as he doesn't smell like patchouli or stale cum.
 
His ad is basically Craigslist, except it wasn't free. Missed opportunity to not say something enticing about yourself. It could be fun to find out what exactly he does for $140. Or it could be a disaster. If he doesn't smell like the above mentioned or have dried McDonalds in his beard, he could oil us up naked and do a body frot session on the bed. That could work.

Finding a really handsome man (face, cock, body, and ass) with serious erotic massage talent is like finding a needle in a haystack. At a certain point you just have to accept that great erotic massage can't be about the face. Most of the service time your eyes are closed. As long as the masseur is sending me to the moon and bringing me to the most glorious climax with his touch and technique, I can deal with a less than ideal face in my fantasy. A decent body, a pretty cock, and nice clean ass for face siting are icing on the cake.

He's got an amazing technique of incorporating sexual elements into his sessions without them becoming non-massage. Most of his videos seem to be older. Here is a 4-handed massage with a lean Black man on the table. The scene gets major hot.
https://www.xtube.com/video-watch/another-four-handed-42744171
 
I also found his RM ad: https://rentmasseur.com/rablondon

Those are two of the best massage videos I've ever watched. It's easy to see and feel the sensuality that is taking place. I find the masseur very sexy. He's got major talented fingers. I want his uncut cock sliding all over my face. His nipple play is really good, and I love the way he strokes the body while his hardon does its thing. Great technique. Wish I could find someone like that in NYC.

Escorts and massage therapists who ask for a deposit are way too precious for me. It suggests that their time is "too" important, which also suggests that money takes priority over anything else. That's a bridge too far for me. I have other more important service people in my life, and none of them require a deposit for an appointment, so why should I treat a massage or escort appointment any differently? To each his own.

Escorts and massage therapists who ask for a deposit are way too precious for me. It suggests that their time is "too" important, which also suggests that money takes priority over anything else. That's a bridge too far for me. I have other more important service people in my life, and none of them require a deposit for an appointment, so why should I treat a massage or escort appointment any differently? To each his own.

He's not the only recommended massage guy on this board who doesn't respond to calls for an appointment. If a massage guy does not return my call, I move on. I do not want to be with a massage therapist who does not appreciate my business. If you're too busy to take new customers, then kindly tell me so. I may try to contact you in the future when it's very likely you'll need a new income source.
 
It seems to me, some of these guys don't do this work full time or don't want to do massage on a regular schedule, or they only want to work when they're in the mood or need money, perhaps.
 
I know from experience some guys get worn out. Burned out. If you don't love the work or you quickly tire of building a happy ending following where that's all the customer cares about, burn out can easily happen. The HE customers who don't care about massage really want sex, no matter what form that takes. Imagine the constant pressure of having to give more to men you don't find particularly attractive as a means to keep your loyal customers "happy."
 
It takes a lot of energy to give a good massage. Add the pressure of jacking off guys until they cum, and I imagine a very exhausting day. My arm and hand hurt just thinking about it. Sure, it can be fun and rewarding, with certain clients. But 5 times a day times 5 days a week. I'd be dead.

Way out of line? Where on the line is that? And whose line is it? From what I hear from fellow customers, I don't think "way out of line" is true. I agree no one should "expect" anything other than some form of massage. However, the reality is many of us get more than we expected, much more, depending, and most of us are pleased with that, whether it cost extra or not.
 

Is there a general, universal understanding? I don't think there is. Looks and chemistry (and a whole lot of other details) play a huge role in these matters, and there is nothing general or universal about that. Sensual massage is subject to interpretation and mood, mostly that of the MT. Some visits are more rewarding than others, even with the same guy. Human beings are providing the service, and many of them can be complicated on any given day. So, again no, I don't think there is a general, universal understanding of how this is supposed to work.

That is certainly unfortunate. I've endured my share of altered realities in my stupid youth, and I've lost quite a few loved ones to hard core addiction. My younger brother shot himself in the head to end his misery. In my honest, most sincere opinion, the perfect high for this gay man is a drug-free, full-on healthy, natural life. If I'm in pain, I want to feel the pain and work my way through it. This gay man can't be around drugs users and addicts anymore. If for any reason you have a desire to be in an altered state, we can't be friends.

I, too, have thoroughly enjoyed him. He's bisexual, and I am, too. Very hot. Plus, he's a sweetheart.
 
(edit) I don't want to hurt his feelings, but he could use some better photos. He is much better looking in person. Really beautiful eyes and a tight, sexy, boy body.

Because, when the IRS comes knocking, you want an authorized, licensed person to handle your case to avoid any personal interaction between you and the IRS. Any reputable CPA will tell a customer to never speak to the IRS on your own. Always let a professional represent you.

@MarkNY
Thanks for the details. I won't do the rental places anymore. They're just not worth it, no matter how hot the guy is. You can never really let go with other people around, and lord knows what's crawling around on the floors.
 
A work space has an effect on the masseur, especially if he loves the space he's working in. Given my former employment in high-end spas, I can't tolerate even a hint of filth. I also know how challenging and expensive it can be to maintain a clean environment. Hats off to all the guys who take their business seriously, and maintain a love for the sensual. They're not easy to find, but they deserve our loyalty.

@MarkNY
Thanks for the details. I won't do the rental places anymore. They're just not worth it, no matter how hot the guy is. You can never really let go with other people around, and lord knows what's crawling around on the floors.
 
A work space has an effect on the masseur, especially if he loves the space he's working in. Given my former employment in high-end spas, I can't tolerate even a hint of filth. I also know how challenging and expensive it can be to maintain a clean environment. Hats off to all the guys who take their business seriously, and maintain a love for the sensual. They're not easy to find, but they deserve our loyalty.

Thank you for posting that info. Your service looks like a lot of fun. Wish I could travel to experience it. Twitter will have to do for now.

A lot of people are turned off by discussing or negotiating money terms. The vast majority of business employees are too intimidated to ask for a raise, even when they deserve an increase. For providers who use "ask" in their ads, they risk closing the door on opportunities. OTOH, for those customers who don't mind negotiation, "ask" usually opens the door to better communication. IME, providers don't like surprises. They respond better when they know what the customer really wants. If you're willing to engage in an "ask" discussion, you might be surprised by the outcome. I have often found the discussion ended in my favor.

Love the massage therapists who take pride in their oral skills.

Love the massage therapists who take pride in their oral skills.

Love the massage therapists who take pride in their oral skills.

A lot of people are turned off by discussing or negotiating money terms. The vast majority of business employees are too intimidated to ask for a raise, even when they deserve an increase. For providers who use "ask" in their ads, they risk closing the door on opportunities. OTOH, for those customers who don't mind negotiation, "ask" usually opens the door to better communication. IME, providers don't like surprises. They respond better when they know what the customer really wants. If you're willing to engage in an "ask" discussion, you might be surprised by the outcome. I have often found the discussion ended in my favor.

A lot of people are turned off by discussing or negotiating money terms. The vast majority of business employees are too intimidated to ask for a raise, even when they deserve an increase. For providers who use "ask" in their ads, they risk closing the door on opportunities. OTOH, for those customers who don't mind negotiation, "ask" usually opens the door to better communication. IME, providers don't like surprises. They respond better when they know what the customer really wants. If you're willing to engage in an "ask" discussion, you might be surprised by the outcome. I have often found the discussion ended in my favor.

A lot of people are turned off by discussing or negotiating money terms. The vast majority of business employees are too intimidated to ask for a raise, even when they deserve an increase. For providers who use "ask" in their ads, they risk closing the door on opportunities. OTOH, for those customers who don't mind negotiation, "ask" usually opens the door to better communication. IME, providers don't like surprises. They respond better when they know what the customer really wants. If you're willing to engage in an "ask" discussion, you might be surprised by the outcome. I have often found the discussion ended in my favor.

Some guys want to protect themselves from legal liability. Each state is different. In New York State, it is illegal to provide "massage" service without a license. It is illegal to charge money for a "massage" service if you are not licensed. It is illegal to perform "massage" service in a location where it may be against the law. If caught violating any of these laws, you can end up in jail. Even if you are licensed, it may be illegal to perform the service in your home. You'd have to know the local zoning laws to be sure. Each building may have their own rules regarding work from home. If a legal case is brought against you, any ad that shows you asked for money in exchange for a "massage" service could be evidence against you. The legal onus for massage service is on the provider, not the customer. If someone has "Ask" in his ad, I would consider that person a bit more cautious. IMO, "Ask" may not mean scam at all. In fact, it could mean the opposite. Self-protection, which in turn can protect you.
 
I found this at a law site:
Because you need a license to give massages, merely an offer to give a massage or holding yourself out as an individual who can give massages is punishable as an "E" felony if you do not have a license to do so. While this offense is not considered Prostitution and a violation of New York Penal Law Article 230, the ramifications may be worse. The reality is that law enforcement, such as the NYPD, often pursues this charge as means to prosecute those people they believe are involved in Prostitution, but are unable to charge them with the crime of Prostitution or any of the other related offenses.

Some guys want to protect themselves from legal liability. Each state is different. In New York State, it is illegal to provide "massage" service without a license. It is illegal to charge money for a "massage" service if you are not licensed. It is illegal to perform "massage" service in a location where it may be against the law. If caught violating any of these laws, you can end up in jail. Even if you are licensed, it may be illegal to perform the service in your home. You'd have to know the local zoning laws to be sure. Each building may have their own rules regarding work from home. If a legal case is brought against you, any ad that shows you asked for money in exchange for a "massage" service could be evidence against you. The legal onus for massage service is on the provider, not the customer. If someone has "Ask" in his ad, I would consider that person a bit more cautious. IMO, "Ask" may not mean scam at all. In fact, it could mean the opposite. Self-protection, which in turn can protect you.
 
I found this at a law site:
Because you need a license to give massages, merely an offer to give a massage or holding yourself out as an individual who can give massages is punishable as an "E" felony if you do not have a license to do so. While this offense is not considered Prostitution and a violation of New York Penal Law Article 230, the ramifications may be worse. The reality is that law enforcement, such as the NYPD, often pursues this charge as means to prosecute those people they believe are involved in Prostitution, but are unable to charge them with the crime of Prostitution or any of the other related offenses.