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Sometimes, when we meet a provider that we find great and repeat with many times (as you wrote happened with you) something happens that we cannot explain, even to ourselves, which is, "the fire goes out" on the relationship for the client or with the provider. You said you knew the provider about five years. People can change markedly in that amount of time. It is nice to think back how great things were while the relationship occurred but when that passionless day comes, passion fades away. As the old saying goes, "When the horse is dead, it is time to get off." The best is to cut the relationship.

And, of course, he was one that wanted to be paid in advance or before activities began.

Obviously your intent is honorable. However, if a client has an occupation that is "high profile", releasing a photo along with details of a potential paid male-to-male sex rendezvous could be a disaster or the end of a career if the photo and wording were to get into the wrong arena. Face it, the laws concerning prostitution in this country are absurd compared to the same subject laws of other civilized countries. Negotiations between client and provider are sometimes tough. There is a fine line between providing too much information or not enough. The above data explain why some clients ask questions but, unfortunately, are branded a time waster if they do not immediately say "yes" to a provider.

Don't you know that "common sense" is not common?

Check out the time period for the covid-19 vaccine to become effective. It is two weeks. "Within a week of the party." did not give the vaccine sufficient time to become effective. See - "How long does it take for the COVID-19 vaccine to work?" Regardless of which vaccine you get, you won’t reach full protection until two weeks after your second or final dose. That’s about how long it takes your immune system to mount an antibody response to the vaccine.

With all due respect, you copied only the complimentary attributes concerning the doctor. You did not complete the remainder of the article that shows his accomplishments and/or beliefs. In addition to what you quoted, let us finish the remainder of the article you selectively quoted: During the COVID-19 pandemic, Ladapo has promoted unproven treatments, opposed vaccine mandates, questioned vaccine safety, and associated with America's Frontline Doctors, a right-wing group known to promote falsehoods about the pandemic.[8][9][10][11] In March 2022, as the Surgeon General of Florida, he misrepresented work by fellow scholars to recommend that healthy children not be vaccinated against COVID- 19, a decision that also went contrary to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and American Academy of Pediatrics.[12][13] Since then, Ladapo has banned gender-affirming counselling, hormonal therapies, and related medications for transgender and nonbinary children, contravening relevant guidelines by - - - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Ladapoa host of professional organizations.[14

If ID and other data is furnished in advance, as requested, it makes it easier for the police to arrest the John or client if there is a police sting in progress.

It does not matter that you interject other issues with regard to an NDA. Plain and simple, it is obvious that the true motivation for an NDA, when prostitution is involved, is to conceal the fact that prostitution occurs. In the case of escorts and clients, if the person who asked for the NDA was not involved in prostitution, there likely would be no request for an NDA. To interject the other issues you mentioned for the NDA ignores the true reason that motivated the NDA (to conceal prostitution). By the way, what happened with the NDA of the senator, "Lady G" when certain escorts decided to do a "tell-all" because of the callous treatment they received from Lady G? Reportedly, the issue was never litigated and the escorts involved allegedly were given a handsome fee to drop their intended disclosures. If a NDA that included prostitution were truly valid, as you insist, that NDA would not have been quietly brought to a monetary conclusion as it was.

The illegal prostitution plus the client's status in society likely motivated the NDA. However, the prostitution act makes the the NDA invalid. This also makes the other issues you mentioned irrelevant. What "confidential information" would the escort know about the client except there was prostitution involved between the two of them? "Reputational harm" would be worse for the client if the client pursued legal action against the escort and the escort defended himself and told what occurred between the two. If a client were to attempt to sue the escort, do you think the escort would keep quiet about the prostitution that occurred? The escort would put up a defense if sued. The defense could be more damaging to the reputation of the client. How many escorts have sufficient assets to be sued for breaching an NDA agreement even if the agreement were legal?

And, in rapid time, the ad is already gone.

A very good point. Not all providers are friendly or inviting when they are called.

Precisely! Some, not all, providers feel that many clients are time wasters. If a client does not immediately accept the information posted in the providers advertisements or has a few questions for the provider, many times, a client gets ghosted by the provider. As the above poster said, there are two sides to every scenario.

Great response!

I'd change that to "most" guys. All is pretty harsh and likely incorrect.

That is so very true. Unfortunately, some providers cannot tell the difference between the two. Many providers feel that they should not have to answer questions prior to the hire. They feel their ad and photos should be sufficient data for a client to make an immediate decision to hire. Let us not forget, MANY ads are fake and contain exaggerated/false information and stolen photos. Over the years, how many threads in this forum were started by forum members asking about ads that appeared to be fake and were later proven to be fake? Countless ads were discovered as fake simply because other forum members asked the question and various other forum members responded with proof. In view of the above facts, some chat by a client is an attempt to make less, the chance of being scammed with a fake and false ad. Of course, there are true "time-wasters" but too many legitimate clients are falsely branded as wasting the time of an escort. As an analogy, if I went to a store to purchase a product and if I asked the sales agent questions about the product before I made the commitment to buy, would the sales person tell me to read the advertisement about the product and call me a "time waster"?

Exactly, that is the psychological basis (of a NDA agreement) some clients think will protect them from being outed. Not enforceable - period. The other issues you mentioned are generally not included in the countless NDA agreements some high profile clients have escorts sign when they engage them for sex. Facts equal prostitution which makes the agreement unenforceable.

Sorry, you missed the point. The NDA is, in itself, unenforceable because the purpose of the NDA is to conceal and protect the fact that prostitution occurred. That makes the agreement invalid.

Sorry, regardless of how "well written" the contract is, it would be easy to confirm or verify the intent of the escort and likely find graphic rentmen advertisements or similar type advertisements (including erect penis shots) or other proof of the escort's activities. The escort could admit to the court that he is an escort and show proof of ads and other documents confirming his activities. The NDA agreement would then be discarded by the court. The fact that the paid meeting includes prostitution, given the background of the escort, even though that word is omitted from the contract, the contract is unenforceable.

Speaking of Non disclosure agreements, two years ago, there was quite of lot of chatter in the news about outing Lindsey Graham for his being gay while the senator repeatedly called for laws that hurt the gay community. He also, supposedly, was mean to many "escorts" he hired or ghosted from rentmen. Speaking of non disclosure agreement and Senator Lindsey Graham - - - - - He has never married and has lived with the same male "roommate" for decades. According to various news reports, he has used "non disclose agreements" with most of the escorts he hired from rentmen. In the end, it seems not to matter to his constituents that such a hateful gay homophobe continues to be reelected by those who keep him in office. He is on his third term as senator for South Carolina. Check out this two-year old news article that discusses escorts from rentment possibly getting together to embarrass the hypocritical senator. https://www.fitsnews.com/2020/06/05/is-lindsey-graham-about-to-have-a-problem/

Then you are talking about a different thing - - The original agreement (None Disclosure Agreement) was an illegal agreement because the agreement involved an illegal act. If the escort decided to do a "tell all" book, for example, the contract (the NDA) cannot be used as restraining against the escort. The client could sue in civil court but that would defeat the purpose of non disclosure and privacy. If the escort demands money from the client for not doing a "tell-all" disclosure, that demand becomes extortion which is a criminal act by the escort. Different set of facts. Again, the original discussion of a non disclosure agreement is meaningless regardless of whether the escort or client pretends that the meeting took place only for non sexual reasons. In most states in the U.S., prostitution is illegal, plain and simple. Just bring up a copy of the escorts rentmen ad (or other ads) which will end the untruthful argument that the meeting of the client and escort was not for sex.

Signing such a meaningless document sometimes gives psychological comfort to the main party involved. As I previously wrote, the document is unenforceable because of the nature of the unlawful non-disclosure subject matter (prostitution). If you could find an attorney (unlikely) to take the matter to court for breach of the meaningless agreement, the court would reject the action and the person supposedly being protected would be "outed" because of having hired a prostitute, which is illegal. Nothing legal is accomplished for those people who have an "escort" sign such an agreement. Any attempt to enforce the useless "agreement" would cause the public to know what happened between the "escort" and the person who sadly thinks such an agreement is protection. Our laws against most prostitution in this country are unrealistic.

There is a big misunderstanding in connection with non-disclosure agreements. As with all contracts, a non disclosure contract cannot be enforced if the activities of the contract are illegal activities. In our goofy, mixed up country, prostitution is illegal in most states. Call it what you may, but do not forget what William Shakespeare said many years ago, "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet."

Do you mean - Lady "G" - ? Several escorts from rentmen.eu got together with an attorney last year and threatened to out that senator because of the mean way he treated them. Nothing ever came of the matter.

They don't?

Using your screen name, I will say he may have failed to tell you about such a sensitive or embarrassing thing - - - because he is "bashful".