MrMiniver

I'd be curious to know in what business setting and corporate world (or any world for that matter) would talking about one's sexual orientation be "casual and open." I simply can't imagine why one would talk about one's life in a business setting "very openly and casually." Gay or Straight.

You wear Gucci suits and shoes, and you're complaining about drawing women?

 

 

 

My (mostly secondhand) impression is that being an out gay man is challenging in some "macho" professions but that a lot depends on the organization.

I suspect that that has to do a lot with what one means by "out" -- a word I struggle with myself from time to time. For some, being "out" means talking about being gay ALL THE TIME. These people I can't abide. I had a group of younger men (20s) over to my house in the country for a party not too long ago and no matter the topic being discussed one of the guys brought everything back to sex and penises. Heck, if we had brought up terrorism he would have asked about the penis size of the Boston bombers. It was annoying.

There are "professional" gay men and there are gay men who are "professionals." There's a big difference. There's no question that it's easier to be out and work in the theater or fashion or a university rather than an office or in a bank. But if you're not going around wearing a caftan and talking about your latest fuck I wonder how hard it would be to fit in anywhere? Just asking.

No. Old women, yes.

I was going to say the same thing. The old women love me. I suspect if I lived in South Florida, I'd be married by now

I have to stop looking at him or I might not be able to look at another guy ever

So I guess no one has anything to offer on Zack Scott, currently working NY. The film star Zachary Scot, btw, was rumored to have been gay. But aren't they all (gay, or said to be)?

Rumored but, of course, never proven. I've been told he had a wife and kids (not that that means anything). He always came across as gay to me but maybe he was just a good actor.

And he plays for our side.

While I don't care, that is an extra little bonus. I watched some of his youtube videos and he comes across as rather shy and sweet. And he's smart, too!

Sigh. Unrequited love/lust really sucks

That's just not fair. No mere mortal should be allowed to look that perfect. He really unbelievably stunning. And I agree, he's even hotter in his selfies.

Mr. Miniver, your point is well taken. If I may paraphrase what you said, we needed Tevye, but we got Luther Billis!

Exactly. And what is so wonderful about Luther Billis is he's on stage for only 15 minutes. An entire evening of Burstein and my head would explode. That's the thing about character actors. They're good in small doses but carrying an entire show? NO WAY.

I stand corrected. Got my facts mixed up!!

I always was certain he was gay but apparently I was wrong. It must have been his screen persona: very bitchy.

I usually agree with you. But, your first post mentioned other performers who appeared in "Fidler on the Roof."

 

Even if you had not, musicals like Fiddler, "My Fair Lady" and "Gypsy" have been revived so ofter, I can not fault MrMiniver for having opinions, even if usually disagree with him.

Things can't be looked at in a vacuum. Discussing the current production of Fiddler without referencing and comparing its history would be like trying to discuss the current Israel/Palestine situation without discussing anything that took place prior to last week.

Me too, Gman

For me, I realize that without Mostel I have very little appreciation for Fiddler. It needs him. One friend of mine who worked with Topol felt that "watching him was like watching a WASP play a rabbi."

Of course, it's fair to compare one actor to another. To say otherwise is silly. Burstein is a fine character actor. He ain't a star. Has no star presence and if there's one thing Fiddler really needs is star presence. Otherwise, I'm afraid, I find it deadly dull affair.

Even Fierstein who was so over-the-top it was painful had stage presence.

I suppose it just boils down to "the dick wants what the dick wants."

I'd spend my whole time thinking of Mildred Pierce if I met up with Zachary Scott and that would kill any potential boner

Sounds very interesting. But when I saw the cast list of Stefanie Powers and Georgia Engel all I could think of was "1970s TV called. They want their actresses back!"

Seriously, it is nice to see older actresses getting a break and roles in new shows.

I had no idea whether to laugh or to cry because obviously the guy has serious issues. I asked for a picture out of curiousity. He sent a pic of fully clothed black guy on a horse. It was sad. I asked for a shirtless pic and he said "I'm not going to go out like that. If you need a shirtless pic then find someone else. Good luck in yo search."

I sure would like to meet me some of dem "clean homosexuals."

So I answered a backpage ad looking for a sugar daddy and this is the response I got. One of the most bizarre ever.

"To make a long story short. My income got fucked up. I cant take out a loan because i never owned a credit card and i dont have anybody who is willing to co sign for me. I need 500 by Thursday.Really tomorrow but Thursday is the definite deadline. I dont have any money at all to atleast try and invest it in a quick flip. My morals wont let me rob or hurt somebody to get it. Over the summer i had a gay friend in his 40s who past away. He kept givin me money for no reason even when i told him to stop. He told me that he just liked the fact that he can be himself around me and didnt have to act any different because i was straight and that he only kept giving me money was so ill always be straight. Thats what made me think of this ad as a last resort to get the money. I figured older men just want the company of a younger one and wouldn't mind giving the money if they had it. Thats why i used the term sugar daddy. Um comfortable with my sexuality and a non judgemental person so I can hang around homosexuals without feeling uncomfortable...With that being said. If your interested in helping. Understand you will not get any sex out of it. I do know clean homosexuals i can hook you up with if thats what your looking for. The benefit you get if you choose to help out is making a new friend who can help you increase your income. The only reason I cant help myself is because i dont have any funds to get started. I just need a pic me up. But to answer your question i am in good shape. I ride horses. "

Honestly, you lump Harvey Fierstein's over-the-top ridiculous portrayal with Zero Mostel who was simply a god? LOL.

 

I lumped no one! LOL

Despite the performance worthiness, Harvey had a very successful run...

 

And, sorry, I should have said Midler played the role later in the run.

 

Jeez!!!!

How do you define "successful?" I saw him twice and he was absolutely horrendous. Couldn't sing, couldn't act. It was like a drag queen performance. That's why people went because it was hilarious, not because it was "successful."

I am very glad I saw Mostel in "Fidler." But, it was near the end of his run in the musical and Mostel had added some "improvements" to his performance, like "not remembering" his daughter's names. It's impossible to imagine someone like Merman doing that.

Mostel was a force of nature. I think I saw him do it at least 6 or 7 times. No one else has ever come close to him in that role. His stage presence and star quality was overwhelming. It's what's so missing in theater. We have lots of good actors but no one with that kind of stage presence or star quality.

Caught an early preview performance of this classic Broadway favorite.

i had seen the show beofe many years ago

Starring Danny Burstein and Jessica Hecht.

From the producers who brought us South Pacific and The King and I, they have created an evening of great song and dance.

Original choreography by Jerome Robbins and music by Jerry Bock and Sheldon Harnick, everyone recognizes some of the great classic tunes that have come from this show (Sunrise, Sunset, Tradition, Matchmaker, Matchmaker, If I Were A Rich Man, etc.) Act One is full of great tunes, Act Two, not so much.

Burstein is very good. He has to live up to some great performances from actors past, such as Zero Mostel and Harvey Fierstein. The choreography is terrific and I wish there were more of it. Directed by Bartlett Sher.

The show has its serious moments when it focuses on the expulsion of the townspeople by Russian government.

 

Anyway, it's an good evening of classic theater. A little long though, Act One lasts one hour and forty minutes and the whole show runs very close to three hours with a fifteen minute intermission.

 

Of historical note is that Bea Arthur played the original Yente and Bette Midler played the daughter

Tzeitel.

 

Ed

Joanna Merlin was the original Tzeitel. Midler played the part later in the run, she didn't originate the role.

Honestly, you lump Harvey Fierstein's over-the-top ridiculous portrayal with Zero Mostel who was simply a god? LOL.

More humanitarian. As in it's inhumane to make me suffer through two hours of his bombastic drivel.

 

Kevin Slater

I don't see it that way at all. I've loved a great deal of his work but he's not perfect. Who is?

He shows up on my grindr from time to time. He always lists all these things they don't do. Seems flaky to me, at best. And the pic he's using must be older than a Polaroid.

I cannot stand David Mamet. (Yes, I even hated Glengary Glen Ross.) I found China Doll the least objectionable of his works I've suffered through. How's that for a recommendation?

 

Kevin Slater

I love Mamet's work but it does take some special actors to pull it off. Or are your objections to him purely political?

Pacino hasn't given a really good performance since around 1979.

Not bad but it could be thinned out a lot more.