MrMiniver

Perusing SA is an interesting exercise. I spent a little time scanning profiles and saw several people I knew/know including a companion I saw fairly consistently (I.e. 2-3 times/week for ~4 months) but disappeared. There's a number of guys who had been actively on RM and M4RN but fell off the radar, in some cases with completely different back stories (e.g., guy who was fairly well reviewed and I informally understand had several upscale clients but dropped his ad a few months ago; his SA profile says that he is homeless and living in an abandoned building.)

 

I was amazed at the number of people who seemed entitled ("impress me" & "in need of champagne and caviar")... One guy in search of an arrangement has a photo perched on the hood of a late model Mercedes and another pics from Paris and what looks like a Mediterranean coastal spot.

 

Some stories are sad - broken relationships and broken people - and others reflective of youthful wide-eyed excitement at the possibilities of life.

 

If you have time to kill it's an interesting anthropological exercise.

I agree completely with that. Currently, I am getting tons of messages by a personal trainer who is 6'4" (too tall for me) and who says he's straight. That's just not for me but he keeps sending pics and messages and sounds so desperate which when you look at his pics seems hard to fathom. But I guess he moved to a new state recently and the dream hasn't worked out yet. He said "I made out with a guy once playing truth or dare and it wasn't bad."

Yikes. It is an interesting place to peruse, as the poster said.

I've met some guys as a Daddy... None who I liked. I guess I'm still young enough that they were mostly more into me than me into them, so nothing has ever come of it. The ones I met varied from guys who genuinely wanted older boyfriends to a guy who just wanted me to pay for him to go to Cochella.

I think the very nature of a "daddy" relationship is that the daddy is going to be "more into you" than "you into him." If you're looking for someone you're "into" it sound like you need a boyfriend, not a daddy. To an extent, just like an escort, you're supposed to be playing a part and providing a service in exchange for "help" of some kind. If you're going to get hung up on whether you're "into" the guy or not, then it's clearly not for you.

This article from NYTimes should make everyone here pause before falling 'in love' through dating services:

In Online Dating, ‘Sextortion’ and Scams

How does this have ANYTHING to do with what's being discussed here? An "arrangement" is NOT DATING.

Oops I should have said most are not all daddy

anyhoo I'm happy you found someone at least for the moment.

So he hasn't asked for anything from you so far? No allowance, cars, home or even marriage?

Marriage? I'd run for the hills. Been there, done that a long time ago.

No he hasn't asked for anything big. Just advice, helped him with supplements, but hasn't asked for anything. He may, we'll see, not particularly worried about it.

seeking arrangement is pretty much exactly like rentmen except that the pay you receive at the end of the session on rentmen you make an "arrangement" to meet a couple of times a month on seeking arrangement and receive an allowance each month hence the expectation lifestyle levels.

 

sugar daddies use it to try to find love and its like finding a needle in a haystack same goes for sugar babies trying to find a secure arrangement. If a sugar baby is looking for financial help which most of them are then you have to speak or you won't get any help, you will just get a dinner here or there and fee for your travels.

 

However most sugardaddies want to talk financials in person not online which isn't good as 95 percent of the time the allowance you want isn't what the allowance the sugar daddy wants to give so in the end all you get is some akward conversation at dinner and someone getting mad and walking out lol. Ive heard stories from friends whom got a daddy and close to where the month they were supposed to be paid, the sugar daddy vanished lol.

Once again you're generalizing. Looking for love? Not in a million years. I think specific financials should be spoken of in person. I would never make an agreement online or on facetime or skype. Too many variables. But the expectation on both sides should be understood before meeting.

You just hit that on the nail, I just hope our forum member doesn't become a statistic.

Are you 12 years old or something? I just love comments like these when you don't know a damn fucking thing about me or anything else.

Honey, If you think just bringing him to your house and paying expenses is going to work every time.. Your living in a dream world just like the other daddies on the website. He is an aspiring fitness model, meaning he probably wants to make a name for himself in the fitness world.. Meaning, his daily food intake a grocery list is a good 500$ a month or more in food.. thats not adding supplements.. He also, probably doesn't want to escort as it will taint his name. Down the road if you want to keep him your gonna have to give him something.

 

So if you really think that its just about love, your wrong. You play it like that sooner then later this guy will end up pissed off.. He seems like he also has done his homework.. Did you guys do the dirty deed the first night? or did it take awhile? did you sleep in the same bed in the first night? just curious. I just hope you don't fuck it up and become a statistic, trust me I've been doing this for 7+ years. I also have two exclusive men from that website... they told me horror stories.

I sometimes wonder if some people are able to read and comprehend. Where did I say any of the stuff above? Jeez. At least make sense when you are going to respond to a post.

This may be great at first, just don't be a sugar daddy statistic. Ive heard a lot of sugar babies coming back feeling like they were used and going to escorting because of how cheap the men on that site were.. Scoop this man up and treat him like gold.

Meh. Cheap, like expensive, is in the eye of the beholder. And these kinds of arrangments don't have to be just about money. Broaden your horizons.

How did you gents approach the "lifestyle expectation" level?

"Substantial" and "Negotiable" I suspect I understand but... Minimum? Practical?

What I noticed is that the vast majority of guys list "Negotiable." The ones who list HIGH or SUBSTANTIAL invariably were not as remotely hot as they thought they were. I also didn't put my accurate net worth or salary on there. They don't need to know that.

I was surprised by the number of uglees and fatties on that site. I still ask ... who is going to pay for that?

I too have had great success on SA. Unfortunately, the arrangements rarely last that long. Guys start to flake or want more money or they don't live up to their end. And of course, I've grown bored once or twice. Still a great place to meet some guys for 1-3 month casual relationships. I consider it a portion of my escort stock portfolio. I still prefer to put 80-90% in hourly guys. Better paying dividends

I figure even if it was just a one time thing, it was a great one time thing, and I'm perfectly fine with that.

seeking arrangement means you've got to have the outlay to cut a lengthy deal

 

don't assume it's some inexpensive thing. hiring an escort is very different than supporting someone full time

 

robber is correct. you had 10 days together. move slow and use smarts

Seeking arrangments is not a catch all for one type of situation contrary to what this poster thinks. Many of the guys on that site are escorts looking for sex, some are looking for monthly things, some are looking for little support, some are looking for a lot of support. It is what you and the other party make it and not some preconceived thing that is ordained by the urban dictionary.

Have you ordered linens with your initials entwined with his? Unless he has taken up his residence with you, and, of course, you have deeded joint tenancy to him in your real and personal property in consideration of love and affection, the thing is not yet a success.

If that's success, count me OUT.

Exactly! I am delighted to hear it working out so well for MrMiniver so far. Before getting into an 'arrangement', a background check is something I would require. To avoid that the expected payoff is something ... you didn't expect. But if you can survive each other being cooped up together for 10 days, chances are that there is something there. Congratulations, and good luck!

It was 9 days on and off and I gave him time on his own whenever he wanted it. Some of the guys on the site are background checked. As for him, he gave me his real name and I checked his social media profile and stuff like that. We skyped several times before meeting and I was very comfortable.

I realize I probably lucked into a very good -- and perhaps unique -- experience. I wouldn't want anyone to get the impression that it is like that on that site all the time. I had to wade through a bunch of cancelations, the guy who insisted on me having every conceivable thing to suit his insane vegan diet, and the plethora of twinks. But I did strike gold eventually.

But it is just one man's experience. I'm sure others have bad ones to go with the good one.

Ha. I think you'd have more then a few angry emails when they figure out what you're up to. I think of this as an interview where they're expecting a much bigger pay off down the road.

 

Like your idea though:)

What exactly would you think I'm up to? The idea of compensation never came up. He never raised. Was I supposed to?

Oh, and for those who have asked. I changed the city he's from and his age because I'm smart enough to know that others will try and find him and snatch him up. Not gonna happen guys

Interesting. Ass implants are the gay man's version of breast implants. Do we really care if those cheeks are real or not? Straight men seem to love fake tits. I don't think I'd have a problem with ass implants as long as they felt like a firm muscular butt.

Honestly, I like my body parts to be real. Whenever I hear someone say "how amazing someone looks" and they've had years of plastic surgery, I laugh out loud. I don't think Cher looks amazing. I think she looks like a freak. I'd much rather see what she would have looked like if she hadn't been so worked over.

Yes..anyone with recent experience? His pics are old and reviews here indicates he's been working for over a decade

I haven't seen him in a long time but at least a couple of the pics he uses are around 9 years old. Doesn't mean he doesn't still look like that but ... he must be mid-30s by now.

MrMiniver, can you give us a thumbnail sketch how this site works?

From which side?

I joined, filled out my profile, paid my $70 and then started searching for "sugar babies" -- an awful term -- and started getting messages myself. There are a few problems with the site in particular body type. The choices are basically average, a few extra pounds, slim, overweight and athletic. So almost all the guys choose "athletic" which can range the gamut.

I asked for more pics, went to email and see how it went. I had a couple of false starts -- guys who seemed interested but then backed out at the last minute. But I do feel it was worth it for where I ended up.

There are some sugar babies who have been on there 5 or 6 years. There are some escorts as well although that seems to be discouraged.

Happy to answer any other questions.

Well, I thought the whole thing sounded kinda lame but I had a little time on my hands so I created a profile. I can't say I found much in the first few days: twinks, fakes, flakes, the usual assortment of game players. Then I met a guy who is an aspiring fitness model based in Toronto. I took a leap of faith and flew him to New York. Well, we just spent the better part of the past 10 days at my place in CT. It was amazing. He's 23, ripped, beautiful, and for this initially visit all he wanted was his airfare and other expenses covered.

So, perhaps, it's not a bad site after all. It was worth the $70 initial fee.

Thinking is one of those good habits.

Usually, but not on this subject!

Everything you need to know about those esteemed writers who hand out the Golden Globes ... including the Russian body builder:

http://www.vox.com/2016/1/10/10741076/golden-globes-2016-hfpa-explained

You've given this a lot more thought than anyone else

Whereas the WSJ cultural coverage is written while gazing through a lorgnette.

You obviously don't read it so why do you care? The Saturday cultural section is far better than anything else that appears in print on a weekly basis. But you're too filled with your hate of anything that doesn't agree with you to see past your pinched nose.

The editorial page is slightly right of center only if you think the center is over on the right (which is a Miniverian thing to do). As for straight-down-the-middle reporting in Rupertville: Hahahahahaha!

Just stick to your pre-conceived notions. They give us Donald Trump. You've obviously never read the WSJ.

“For any of you who don’t know, the Golden Globes are just like the Oscars, but without all that esteem. The Golden Globes are to the Oscars what Kim Kardashian is to Kate Middleton. A bit louder, a bit trashier, a bit drunker, and more easily bought. Allegedly. Nothing’s been proved.” -- Ricky Gervais

Love Ricky Gervais. Everyone thinks that but they all show up and act like the Globes are a big deal. So who's the fool? The Globes people or the Hollywood people (stars, producers)? The answer is obvious. The jokes on Hollywood not the Globes. Those ridiculous foreigners get the stars to suck up once per year and get everything they want out of it while the stars act like the Globes mean anything. Good for the funny foreigners!

Yes, you can blame the silly Hollywood foreign press, which looked at the roster of heavyweight producers and said, "Cool! Comedy/musical it is!" Nobody held a gun to their head. They're just silly.

Perhaps but not nearly as silly as the Emmy people who insist that Orange is the New Black is a drama.