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Lol....I use a mix of both for pie crust (or lard) too - and I will never look at the Crisco baking blocks in my freezer the same way ever again

I use a combination of frozen crisco and butter in my pie crusts. I now have a new visual to occupy my mind while I'm bent over the table rolling out the dough.

@dreamboy13 , loved your post! It sounds like a HOT experience. The thing I enjoyed the most was your writing style. The way you wrote it really sets the mood and makes the reader feel like we are there! You should check out www.literotica.com. It reminds me of things I read on there. Maybe write something for that site also. You have a great way of expressing yourself. Thanks for sharing your time in Thailand!

Thailand.
 
I went for a month 2 years ago. I wanted to experience everything the country had to offer, but most importantly the infamous massages.
 
It took some time for me to go into an actual M4M spa as it was in another country and I was alone. I wasn’t sure what to expect and it made me uncharacteristicly nervous. However, there was this one that kept catching my eye as I’d walk by daily, and it seemed to be the least seedy out of the ones I’d been perusing. It was conveniently located a block from the hotel where I was saying. They opened at 4PM. Night owls.
 
On the night I decided to go, I stood outside for about 10 minutes trying to build up the courage to walk inside. Stepping over that threshold was an experience that I never could have dreamed of in my wildest dreams and I will never forget. I’m used to the mechanical, conveyor belt system of massage spas in NYC and didn’t really expect much more than that.
 
I walked inside and I saw a sea of sexy young Thai boys sprawled across- what seemed like- a living room floor. They were all on their gadgets, some texting, others playing games, etc. The door closed behind me and a young woman (lady boy) came up to me and handed me a “menu” of services. I made my selection of time frame and room type and then she walked me to the center of the room.
 
The guys all stood before me in a line and simultaneously took of their shirts. She asked me who I liked.
 
At this point I was being extremely shy. I’m not a timid or shy person normally- but this act of selecting a guy for a massage as they stood before me so I could have my pick of the litter slightly intimidated me. And it was obvious that, as I checked them out, they too were sizing me up at the same time. I felt a flush of nervousness and slight embarrassment. It felt so wrong but it also felt so HOT!
 
Some of the guys would shift the bodies in a sexy way to show of muscles, or they’d make flirty expressions in hopes that I’d select them.
The woman who ran the spa saw that I was struggling. She held the menu to block her face from the boys and asked me what I was hoping for. I didn’t quite understand at first so she whispered “top? Or bottom?” I’m versatile and so I said it didn’t matter- which made her roll her eyes in a sweet way and jokingly say “you’re on your own”. I took another glance over the boys and I realized that my eyes kept going back to this one slender boy who was trim and wearing these yellow and black harem pants. He was about 22. I pointed at him. As soon as I did that, the other boys dropped back to the floor, their shirts back on and immediately back on their devices again.
 
My Thai boy asked me to take a seat while he prepared the massage platter. He introduced himself as Aaht.
 
As I sat there, I noticed that everything was so well done. It was dimly lit but not so much as to be too dark. There were subtle red lights around and a slight scent of incense. The music was slow, tribal and primitive - yet sexy and relaxing. I was in a daze and I felt like a royal prince waiting for his massage as I sat there in what felt like a throne.
 
Aaht came over holding a platter that had a jar of oil, a candle, a water bowl with floating orchid, and a bottle of water for me. He told me to follow him.
 
At this point I began to get excited. He was so sexy and as he stood there shirtless over me, I could feel my blood pumping fast which made me hot in my ears. I stood up and began to follow Aaht up the stairs. He was barefoot and I could hear his feet patter against the wood steps as he climbed. He was steady and fluid as he went up the staircase and I could barely keep up. But watching him from behind as his shirtless body worked his way up to the room, mixed with the music, and his harem pants, and the sound of his feet got me hard before anything happened. As he would turn to go up another spiral of the stairs, I could catch a glimpse of his cock silohouette bounce against the thin fabric of his harem pants. And the round curve of his ass was just as delicious.
 
After what seemed like eternity, he opened the door to a room and showed me inside. It was here where he asked me to undress and place my clothing into a box shelf. I fumbled with my shoes and laces and shorts and T-shirt trying to contain my excitement but failing miserably. He smiled and it was incredible. I felt hot in my ears again.
 
Once I was naked, he ushered me into the bathroom where he told me he would wash me. He set the water to a perfect temperature and started to soap me up. It was so sensual having him run his hands over me so rhythmically- I was hard instantaneously. I couldn’t wait for the massage. He dried me off, held my hand, and walked me back into the massage room.
 
There he asked me to lay down on the table face down. It was then, for the first time, that I noticed the mirrors lining the entire bottom half of the wall. A perfect view for when laying on the table. I could see everything. He undressed and began with massaging my legs. This was a first for me. I’ve never had a massage start at my legsz Slow. Deep. Thorough. He was trained. And it felt amazing, especially after all of the walking around I’d done. Now initially, I had my head in the face cradle as he massaged me. However as he worked his way up my body (making sure I was moaning the entire time), I realized I needed to take advantage of the mirror and so I turned my head to watch his body as it meshed with mine. I could have cum so easily at any second as the intensity and pleasure was so amazing. And the massage itself was such great pressure and penetrating that I was in my own personal heaven.
 
As he went up my back, I could feel his cock rubbing against my thighs and my ass and my back as he went back and forth on my body while straddling me.
 
This went on for a while until he asked me to flip over. From there he continued to straddle the front of my body while massaging me. I watched in the mirror as he slid his body up and down my body while I leaked pre-cum from the tip of my dick- mixing with the oil from his jar. He slowly began to move from the straddle position. Before I realized it, my legs were over his and he sat underneath me.
 
I was so excited I could have exploded.
He then leaned in quietly and asked “can I fuck you?” I took a deep breath in and exhaled “yes, please fuck me” and he grabbed a condom and did just that. This was the most intense and blissfully insane experience for me. I was on another plane while our bodies mixed together And I watched every second of him fucking me through the mirror, with the red light, on this massage table, in Thailand. He was so into it and so very hard.
 
At last we both came and he let me rest for a bit while he started the shower again. He called me over and washed me thouroughly from head to toe while telling me about himself and his life in Bangkok. It was ultimately very sweet.
 
In the end I left a tip that was triple the amount of the massage (it’s so cheap in Thailand and so worth it).
 
This was hands down the best experience I’ve ever had in my massage-getting life and I always always always play it back in my head.
One day I’ll go back and try to re-live the experience as best as possible. And if not, then at least I had Aaht that once.
 
Fin.

I bit the bullet and got a massage from Dan. I'll give a quick overview here, but feel free to PM me for details.
 
Dan is Venezuelan and looks just like his pictures, if not a bit more toned in real life. He just moved to D.C. and is planning to be here for a while. The massage was done on a table and nude, but he used what I can only describe as orange-scented wood polishing oil (it was extremely slippery, didn't absorb at all, and didn't smell good). He gave a so-so massage (maybe a B or B-) and didn't use very much pressure. It is clear he doesn't have any formal training. There were also a few points where he was only using one hand, which was annoying. As was stated before, he was upfront beforehand about it being an extra $20 for HE. He mentioned it being "interactive," but didn't ever position himself for that. Standard HE.
 
I personally wouldn't repeat, but aside from the oil he used it wasn't the worst experience I've had for sure.

Goodness me, the number of times you made me laugh on this forum.
I think I need to hire you for an hour of ... conversation.

I hate to say this, but I think you are setting yourself up for disappointment. Many masseurs get really nervous if you try to negotiate anything sensual upfront, they are not escorts and they don't know who is texting them, there is always the possibility of a setup. Add to that asking for a discount, and they might even blacklist you as an undesirable client. And if they don't, they are likely to go into the appointment determined not to provide an ounce more than what you negotiated.
 
I know, it sucks! Most of the time, you pay a lot of money for a meh experience and not nearly what you hoped for. Given your questions, you might be better off hiring from an escort site?

any Nashville recs for sensual massage and possible extras?

Yes! Fantastic guy, very good massage therapist, lots of fun, super nice and interactive. Really missed in DC. I would book it without hesitation

+1. Vander is so hot!

Excellent points above, agree with all!
 
I just thought about one more major annoyance. I am often tempted to have the masseur come to my place, because I am busy or whatever, and I definitely don't mind paying extra, but DO NOT MESS WITH MY TIME! Many masseurs, actually an unfortunate majority, are totally clueless about time management. You'd think that if one lives in Chicago, they should know that the traffic is bad, especially around the rush hour and evening. Plus why not use Google maps that will tell you how long the expected travel time is?
 
My boy Jake is a stellar exception here, yet again :-), super-professional in this respect, but there is this other dude Nikola in Chicago who checks all the boxes, super-competent and trained, cute, friendly, nice, chill, charges surprisingly low rates, but is usually an hour late and sometimes even more :-(. So I stopped inviting him despite all his other qualities and despite the fact that I would gladly pay DOUBLE what he charges if only he would fucking show up on time. Or within 15-20 minutes. I mean I am just busy, not anal or uptight, I just cannot spend the entire evening guessing when the masseur will show up, if I want a 90-minute massage it should not take more than 2 hours of my time.
 
PS I also had another masseur text me like 5 minutes into our supposed appointment saying that he needed to get some lunch and will come in like 45 minutes. Well, I certainly don't want him to massage me hungry, but why can't he plan his fucking day so that he doesn't run into these time conflicts? Needless to say, he showed up more than an hour late, and that was it, no more invites from me. These dudes need to realize that people willing to pay them $150-160 an hour typically ARE BUSY and value their time more than anything. Think about it, if I hire someone every month or even every two months for 90 minutes, that's like $1.5-3k a year, many businesses would do pretty much anything for that kind of client.

Capitano, I love how you write and get to the point. The one thing that turns me off and has not been mentioned is smell. Some masseurs eat lots of garlic and that’s a huge turn off for me. Also one of my favorite and very well known masseur in this blog likes to have his nipples kissed/sucked. But the last time I could smell that someone had been there already . I wish they could shower in between or at least use some cleansing wipes on their chest before their next client . I am not going to mention his name (he is one of the very best and I don’t want him to be offended ) but if he reads this I hope he’ll take note.

Additional tips:
 
1) KEEP your appointments with your clients. We juggle our schedules to keep our appointments with you. You do the same. I have lost count of masseurs who text me an hour before to cancel with a lame, transparent excuse....such as " I need to cancel your session. An emergency has come up." I am not stupid. I know the "emergency" is either they have another client that wants to book a longer session for more money.....or they are going out with friends for dinner. Flaky does not work to keep clients.
 
2) Do NOT text during the session. Yes, many times I am aware that my masseur will be texting other clients with one hand while massaging me with the other. (?) This leads to #3
 
3) Be PRESENT for your client during the massage. You are there for HIM. Don't watch the clock, text other clients, or give the impression you want to be somewhere else. I had a massage last night where the masseur was telling me during the massage how hungry he was and he could not wait till the massage was over so he could go get a pizza (?) That is insulting. It does not make you feel the love.
 
We are paying good money for these guys (to much money, in my opinion), and need professional, stable masseurs, not flakes. And if you are a professional, stable masseur you will have us as a regular, which is where the real money is. Your bread and butter is your regular, steady client base.

True, they can run their business any way they see fit, but the topic here is how to get repeat customers. So, no hard feelings either way, but it's about what gets us to come back. And, of course, repeat customers are extra valuable because they make income more secure and less variable, plus there is much less hassle and waste of time explaining and negotiating. Finally, repeat customers are likely to spread the good word.
 
Obviously, I like my massage to take approximately the time booked but I don't obsess over it if it turns out a little shorter. But I do get pissed off (quietly and to myself) if it's outrageously short. I usually go for 90-minute appointments, and have noticed that the guys I repeatedly go to are pretty good at timing. But my boy Jake rules wrt this. He is so nice, smart, so much fun, it's like hanging out with a close bud. He'll suggest jumping in the shower together, then usually asks me to sit on the edge of the bed while he gets behind and massages my neck. Priceless, a very nice wind down, a total opposite of that wham-bam-now-you-are-done-get-out approach. That is not just fair (I paid for 90 minutes, I should get 90 minutes) and respectful, it's smart on his part. Every time I hug him good bye I already look forward to the next time because the vibe is so good. I've had several other masseurs offer additional neck or other massage noticing that the time wasn't up. Always appreciated even if I usually turn it down and prefer a little chat as I put on my clothes.
 
Masseurs who schedule hourly appointments back to back are idiots in my books. That's sacrificing long term for the short term. It's greedy and myopic, and hardly entices anyone to come back, and that's just stupid form the business standpoint. My worse experience was with that Luka in Manhattan, who basically rushes you out as he scrambles to prepare the room for the next customer, so he basically wants you in and out of his building, not just his apartment, in less than an hour. It's like you are being processed on an assembly line, or how to spend $160 an hour and feel like crap in the end. Thank God he doesn't do 90-minute appointments, at least that saved me some money. Another dude in Chicago was doing outcalls and once he came to my place for an hour appointment. He was in and out of the door in like 50 minutes. Needless to say, I refused to see him again (yes, he texted and offered, who wouldn't want to make $150 in 50 minutes?) and then his ad disappeared. Apparently, I wasn't the only one who didn't like the approach.
 
This business is really good if you like doing it and are able to deal with people but it's NOT for everyone. If someone thinks it's quick and easy money requiring no skill or effort, it shows. And if it shows, you can't get a permanent customer base, so you are forced to travel and incur additional costs, hoping to find enough clients to put through your production line. Good luck with that!
 
One more thing I would add, and this is something that I realized gradually over time. I really like it when my masseur gets naked right away, when that kind of goes without saying. If I am going to lie there naked, let's be on a level playing field. Plus, if they don't get naked they tend to be warm, especially given that they work, while I may get really cold because I am naked and inactive. Them being naked gives them a better sense of the temperature in the room. I don't have automatic expectations about anything sensual, I like to leave that to the chemistry, but it seems that many don't do this for fear of setting wrong expectations, which I find unfortunate. But then that makes me appreciate even more those who do it plus are good masseurs.

http://mymassagereviews.blogspot.com
 
This should be required reading before trying a new masseur!

-STOP trying to finish 5 or 10 mins early. At that point you been at it for 50-55 mins. Just finish the last few minutes. Ending 5 mins or 10 mins early REALLY pisses me (and I imagine most clients) off. I promise you... if you get into the habit of going 5 mins OVER... you'll attract a lot more "regular" clients.
 
-DO NOT TRY TO UPSELL. Had a masseur today shove his fat hard cock in my face (super hot) and say "it's $60 extra if you want to suck it." SO ANNOYING. Work out all that stuff before the massage starts via text or when I show up at your door. Nothing kills a mood quicker than stuff like that. It's rude. Tacky. And insulting.
 
-Once the HE is over don't hustle me outta there. There are some masseurs (Who I'm a regular of) who have learned that after the HE... to continue with the massage for another 5 or 10 mins. It makes things so much more enjoyable. And ensures I will be back.
 
Any other tips you all wanna add?

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/vegas-massage-experience-what-would-you-do.94563/#post-869239

Really enjoyin this thread. I'm a mwm, and fit @sniper description too. Lol. I'm probably a 60 40 on the McKenzie (sic) scale. I especially enjoy seeing how far I can get with a str8 masseur, but I guess I also really like the aesthetic and sensual, intimacy/vulnerability of it all. Someone mentioned touch deprived, especially the male bonding, I was never into sports, go figure, right? And well, let's face facts, women come with way too many strings and emotions. Sometime, a nut is a nut, and it is good to have some guy time.

Consistently great massage experience with Jeremiah in Austin and DC!
 
https://www.masseurfinder.com/members/touchchicago.shtml

Consistently great massage experience with Jeremiah in Austin and DC!
 
https://www.masseurfinder.com/members/touchchicago.shtml

Killjoy, so do 1/2 the photos that are posted here, BUT I like to look at the Basket 1/2 full... so let me have my fucking Fantasy ! :confused:

Sorry you didn't enjoy yourself, but I wouldn't call Clark's music selections "horror movie soundtracks." They're more the High Romantic section of a Bernard Herrmann score, not the fall-off-the-mountain part of North by Northwest or the shower scene from Psycho. Lush, heading toward crescendo.

I can just hear Nat King Cole singing, "Unmemorable, that's what you are...."

Italians migrated primarily to Argentina, not Venezuela. The current pope is Argentinian, not Venezuelan.
 
Many Argentinians reference themselves as Italian because it is their heritage.
 
For the record.

Sensual Massage is focused on the actual touch of the skin. Stimulating the skin and the senses. It may be very soft, or firm. It may excite and even turn you on and it may include a happy ending. But its goal is to stimulate and soothe.
 
Therapeutic Massage is focused on the muscle and tissues underneath the skin. It includes many portions of the sensual massage, but it is focused on moving the muscles, breaking down adhesions, stretch, increase the range of movement and enhancing the body fluid movement. It may turn you on and it may or may not include a happy ending. But its goal is to relax.
 
Erotic Massage is focused on erogenous zones and turning you on. It is meant to stimulate your awareness, instead of your skin. Your skin may be stimulated, but the focus is on increasing your awareness and sexual presence. It may include stroking your cock or edging you. It may include your nipples, nape of your neck, hands, feet, ass, taint, cock, or anything else that may turn you on and heighten your senses. It is usual to expect a happy ending, or use it as a prelude to something more sexual. A happy ending is not unusual. But the goal is to turn you on.
 
It more blunt terms... sensual is rubbing; therapeutic is massaging; and erotic is foreplay.
 
Just my tuppence.