LosAngelesBro45

I’m taking the plunge today. Will report back! 

Strangely enough he was dumb enough to be too truthful. With the investigative skills of another masseur, he's been found. He is exactly who he says he is and a restaurant manager. Close by me. I look forward to walking in for cocktails. The look on his face when he realizes who I am, will be priceless 

Hello gentlemen. I’m still very much active and working in the “business”. If any of you are interested in getting in touch with me text or email me directly. Please be patient with a response as I may be engaged or just busy. My ad will be expired until late December or early January. Happy holidays to all of you!
Best,    
AJ Irons
714-743-5652
ajirons09@yahoo.com

Funny I had a provider I saw a few times before crossing off my list. He had a vibe of just forcing himself to fain interest. 
Look I don't expect to be everyone's cup of tea nor is everyone's mine, but either quit taking my money or learn to fake it ha. 
 
 

Massage by Robert: Massage San Diego
WWW.MASSAGEBYROBERT.COM I am a massage therapist in San Diego speacializing in clinical massage. Massage by Robert is... One of my clients recommended Robert for therapeutic massage. I trust the client and really enjoy good therapeutic work, so I gave him a go. I keep expectations low when I do this, knowing many clients have a pretty low bar and haven’t had a truly excellent massage before because they rely too heavily on the sexy masseurs who don’t have much skill but look good and provide extras.
Seeing Robert was a worthwhile experience, for sure, despite the crazy booking procedure I outline below. Excellent therapeutic massage skills, addressed all my problem areas and I felt it for days afterwards. Really good value. On par with the other guys around, or less, but way more skilled. He’s a rare gem.
I’ll start with this. He’s a handsome guy. He’s also straight, married, with kids. I didn’t chat with him much but that’s what my client said since he sees Robert regularly and knows more about his life. He works out of an office in a professional building in Mission Valley. There are no extras, not even a hint of anything sexy and he’s fully clothed, and you’re draped with a sheet and blanket the whole time, moving it around as needed. He carefully follows massage school protocol in this respect. So...if you want any kind of hanky panky, he’s not your guy.
See me or others like me for the fun stuff. By the way, my work is actually excellent on the therapeutic front AND I do the fun stuff, which also a rare find. If you’re like me and appreciate really deep, highly skilled therapeutic work and don’t care about extras, you will really enjoy seeing Robert.
He’s not on any of the usual sites, just his basic personal website linked above. His schedule is fully booked every single day for 6 months solid, which is as far out as his system will allow you to book. The ONLY way to get an appointment with him is to sign up for his waitlist, which will alert you when an appointment becomes available. If you mark 60 or 90 minutes you are more likely to catch a cancellation slot. If you mark a 120 mins appointment those cancellations rarely pop up. If I could do two hours, I would, but it’s very difficult to get those on a waitlist-only booking policy. Plus you have to be fast and book right when the alert pops up on your email or text, otherwise it goes away in minutes.
If anyone else sees Robert, please do share. I expect nothing but positive things from those who read this post and go in with the correct expectations. The only negative is his lack of availability. However, he’s totally worth every penny and the hassle.

The above replies are much appreciated.  This might also delve into the topic of YMMV… 
It was just odd, the scenario I mentioned above.  A friend, a younger friend, got the same “hi, did you want to get a massage” message from the same masseur, reciprocal pics where asked and exchanged and every requested pic were given.  Anyways, ymmv.  And this masseurs RMasseur’s reviews are nearing 100.  It’s that rare case of an actual RMasseur that sometime does RMen action (he does not have a Rmen account).
 
There’s plenty other masseurs out there lol
 
 

The above replies are much appreciated.  This might also delve into the topic of YMMV… 
It was just odd, the scenario I mentioned above.  A friend, a younger friend, got the same “hi, did you want to get a massage” message from the same masseur, reciprocal pics where asked and exchanged and every requested pic were given.  Anyways, ymmv.  And this masseurs RMasseur’s reviews are nearing 100.  It’s that rare case of an actual RMasseur that sometime does RMen action (he does not have a Rmen account).
 
There’s plenty other masseurs out there lol
 
 

If the masseur presents himself as therapeutic and sensual only, it’s odd he’s sending you pics implying more is available. The most suspect part of it is that he is asking the CLIENT for pics before he sends his own. That’s a dead giveaway that he is willing to go further than advertised, but ONLY with the clients he finds attractive. That’s a major red flag of unprofessional behavior.
A good masseur works on everyone and maintains consistent policies regardless of how the client looks. Even if the massage gets pretty erotic, he will do this with every client that wants it, not just cherry picking from clients he finds attractive.
We receive a lot of requests for various pics. If we want the work, we need them ready, or to be prepared to say no and lose a potential client, even if we are very clear in our ad and private message communication that the massage doesn’t go that far. The client now knows this explicitly and yet still persists asking for pics. Seems crazy we have to play these games, but we are the ones who lose out if we don’t have or send pics upon request. Better, and clearer I think to refuse to send x pics if you truly don’t offer anything that would merit those pics and be willing to lose the work. It sends mixed messages, but he can send them anyway, be clear about the boundaries, and hope for the best.
If more IS available, I see nothing wrong with sending x pics upon request. The masseur should not require pics of the client to do this. Also, he should charge accordingly when the client requests extras or services more appropriate to an escort. Take note of his rates and maintain expectations accordingly.
Better yet, ask him directly: is x, y, or z included? Do you offer a, b, or c? Yes/no question format is best. Nothing will annoy a masseur faster than asking in an open ended fashion: “What is included?” Because that invites every possible act anyone could ever think of. The masseur has three choices: 1) not respond to the question 2) try to list every act ever conceived by mankind, which he won’t do 3) send a short list of what clients tend to like and that he’s willing to offer.
You know what you want. Just ask for it.
Each masseur has nuanced reasoning for what he chooses to send. Maybe he offers mutual touch and the client wants to see what he might be touching, even though no sexual contact meriting discussions of PrEP will actually take place. The masseur could send pics to appease the client but then the client has the impression that he can do whatever he wants with the masseur including full service for the price of a massage. That’s on the client for making dumb assumptions. But you never know. Clients tell stories of that stuff happening on these forums all the time. “I flipped over and he sat on my cock”.
Those are exceptions, not the rule, and really those masseurs should be charging escort rates for that level of service. Clients, please maintain reasonable expectations and pay your guys well if they go way above and beyond without discussing higher rates beforehand. Better yet, be clear in your communication about exactly what you want, what he offers, and what he charges for it upfront. And if you do want or expect full service, be prepared to pay appropriately for those services.
My rule of thumb: full service is double the massage rate. For example, here’s mine: $150/60 min massage. $300/60 min escort service. Your masseurs will vary but that gives you a rough idea of what to expect.
The whole PrEP thing is another discussion. Plenty of clients are concerned with our sexual heath even if they know nothing is going to happen. They demand the info even if we are clear about the limitations of the session. Damned if we list our health practices because it sends the message that we are having sex frequently with our clients. Damned if we don’t because clients demand the info even if it’s irrelevant to what is actually happening in their session. There’s the odd paranoid client who demands “proof” like asking us to send photos of our prescriptions. I don’t see those clients because there is no satisfying them, no matter what I do.
Then there’s the masseur who - surprise, surprise - escorts in addition to massage work, or - surprise surprise - advertises himself as a masseur but is actually only providing escort services. That’s fine. He should be clear in that case what is on offer and how much it costs. He may have “optional” additional services, which he should state upfront what those are, the limits, and how much (in addition to, or in lieu of his advertised massage fees).
Basically don’t make assumptions based on pics or info listed or photos sent. Don’t make assumptions at all. Ask directly about things you care about and go by what he says. If he prefers not to put it in writing, ask for a brief phone call. If he asks you (the client) for pics, politely decline and look for a more professional guy. Plenty of masseurs work on all types of clients and are not concerned about the way the client looks. His service is the same regardless.

I actually stay away or stop the moment I start receiving mixed messages. I believe that part of what I am paying for is clarity (within reason) about what I can expect. For that kind of games there are the other apps.
Also, since there's no standard for what "erotic" and "sensual" entail, clarity of expectations become more important. I don't think that sending pictures of "appendage and orifice" is a good marketing strategy for providers (just my thoughts).

had a great experience.
looks like pics, very good massage, nice guy.

https://rentmasseur.com/RyanLAX

I had a really nice 90 minute session with Vinny, a couple of weeks ago. His place is a 15 minute drive off the strip and he offers in-calls in a private second bedroom on a massage table or bed. Sweet, fit guy with solid techniques… His Canadian accent is adorable. Easy communication and warm conversation throughout. Great option for a Vegas-based provider.
 
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Anyone know anything about Bedouin?
He’s got a decent number of good reviews but not seeing anything here. Would appreciate if anyone can share their experience. 
https://rentmasseur.com/Bedouin

The first photo looks a mug shot!

Not always. At least not in the Los Ángeles market. I’ve paid that much for guys who just tossed their shirt for the last half of the massage and caressed my inner thighs a couple of times

I stay very busy, and my costs are only going up. Taxes, general costs of living, and business expenses are all higher in California than in Texas. I will also be commuting daily from my home to a business location, about 45 mins each way (vs living on site in TX).
Nobody is happy about higher prices, no matter how slight, and I know only a percentage of the market is interested in hiring me at any price - BUT let’s say you were a client interested in hiring me. What do you think about the proposed changes below?
I’m particularly interested in your opinion if you are located in the San Diego area.
Proposed Pricing:
Massage
$80 / 30 min (vs $75) 
$150 / 60 min (vs $140)
$210 / 90 min (vs $195)
$260 / 120 min (vs $240)
^add to any massage:
  $40 / 15 min hot stones (vs $35)
 
Body Care
$50 / 30 min body scrub (vs $45)
$70 / 45 min body trimming (vs $65)
(body sculpting removed from menu)
 
Cuddle Therapy
$80 / 30 min (vs $65)
$150 / 60 min (vs $120)
 
Full Service (no change)
$300 / hr
$500 / two hours
 
Escort Service (no change)
$1,000 / five hours
$2,000 / overnight
$5,000 / weekend or (2) days
$1,000 / additional day after (2) days
$10,000 / week
 
Notes:
Escort service is all inclusive; companionship, massage/spa, and full service, any combination.
Massage pricing is consistent for therapeutic, sensual, and erotic style massages. 

Oooh, the asian men just keeps on coming! I’ve only seen Joe and Billy so far, massages are great. So in that aspect it’s already a win.  Them having meaty ... another win.  

Yeah he definitely fell off in quality. First few massages were great then he started being mechanical, distracted, and needing to change times a lot. I think he’s taking too many massages at a time or something. I’ve stopped hiring him even though he’s very convenient to me, location wise.

Interesting. I’ve only had two and they were some of the best Thai massages I’ve ever had. My only complaint is if he’s going to go with an HE just build up and go with it. I hate when guys just end the massage and then say “did you want…?” It just ruins the moment for me - just go with it.

This!  Through the years (well Jan 2022), i’ve learned to ask both directly and indirectly.  “Will it be a fun massage?” Is my go-to question.  Because if it doesn’t go there, safe to just pay the base price. The base price stays.  Why tell me/advertise as such and then none.  Ymmv - i’ve gotten way more and way less in my hires, more dependent on the masseur.  

Based on the exact situation of mrprofessional  - and I do apply it to all.  Just their base price.  If they quoted you $150 and getting just the basics or none at all, it’s $150.  
 
most are starting at $150 and higher now.  I do get inflation, etc. blah blah blah.  But adding a $20 bill or two just made it that much more expensive, regardless of extras or not.   
 
plenty of prior threads on this one and we all can go on and on.  But - whatever feels ok in your mind.  For me, i’ve learned to just pay the initial price.  If I gave more, they’ll eventually think, “i’ve got them, hook line and sinker”.  

This!  Through the years (well Jan 2022), i’ve learned to ask both directly and indirectly.  “Will it be a fun massage?” Is my go-to question.  Because if it doesn’t go there, safe to just pay the base price. The base price stays.  Why tell me/advertise as such and then none.  Ymmv - i’ve gotten way more and way less in my hires, more dependent on the masseur.  

More than fair in my opinion.  If you already paid $240 for a massage with no extras, a $20 tip if more than enough and I would argue not required at all.  Remember-this is all tax free.  The providers are already setting the rate.  It's not like they are restaurant workers who don't even make minimum wage and it's not the same as getting a massage in a spa where the masseur only gets a portion of the overall cost.