TennisPro35

Don't forget to tip the pizza guy!

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Ok. I'm done with this topic. I need a massage now with extra fries please...😉

Just my 2 cents. Or what I do now.  
 
I’ve read and contributed to various “tipping” threads here in the forums throughout the 2-3 years since I’ve joined. 
I usually tip earlier when this hobby was new to me, but lately, it’s just the advertised/quoted rate now. 

I’m located in Los Angeles, if that matters. The $120/60min has ballooned (I started late 2021) to $150 (2022/2023) and now  $160/$180 and even $200 for your basic 60mins. 
At a spa… a masseur that does not advertise on RMasseur of Masseurfinder (or any other gay massage site) - I would tip them almost to the level of an independent. Since they get only a % of what I actually paid at the lobby. 
 
At a spa … but he advertises in M4M websites and all the independent sensual/erotic masseurs (real masseurs and the rub-and-tuggers) —- their published and quoted rates only.  

I have a good paying job but $180/$200 an hour … i am not a lawyer or a doctor or whatever job out there that pays this much per hour.  Rent and supplies, yes it’s the masseur’s overhead but for me (for me, my opinion)… the high price now is maybe due to inflation and it might be because I have paid $180-$200 for their $150 price tag then, which makes them energized to now basically pricing themselves at $200   Since they already get it and most are paying. 
 
long post made short - I only pay the independents their advertised/quoted price.

 
 

And one last thought: You big tippers produce price pressures that will eventually bring about hyperinflation and destroy world order. So stop it!  

Ha. Exactly.  When I buy bread I don’t think, gee, I should pay more because they had to build an oven. That implicit in the price. 

My doctor must rent an office and pay a staff. Should I tip him?  No: He charges for that in his fee. And so does your masseur. 
But, again, it’s your money. Give as much of it away as you like.   

And that is what I am seeing in the Los Angeles market (in general/not all) — fees are now astronomical (in my eyes). This is just from a Rentmasseur/masseurfinder POV.  I do not know the escort/Rentmen side, i have not (yet?) partaken in that sub-branch.  

In response to your last paragraph, no, all of those work related expenses(overhead) should not warrant an automatic tip. As the sole proprietor of their enterprise, independent masseurs should be baking the cost of those expenses into their primary fee. Relying on tips to offset overhead is a recipe for disaster and not a client’s responsibility. We are paying for a product, not operations. I trust the masseurs I hire to charge a fee that allows them to operate their business and tip them if they’ve gone above and beyond the promised deliverable. As others have said though, to each their own.

Just my 2 cents. Or what I do now.  
 
I’ve read and contributed to various “tipping” threads here in the forums throughout the 2-3 years since I’ve joined. 
I usually tip earlier when this hobby was new to me, but lately, it’s just the advertised/quoted rate now. 

I’m located in Los Angeles, if that matters. The $120/60min has ballooned (I started late 2021) to $150 (2022/2023) and now  $160/$180 and even $200 for your basic 60mins. 
At a spa… a masseur that does not advertise on RMasseur of Masseurfinder (or any other gay massage site) - I would tip them almost to the level of an independent. Since they get only a % of what I actually paid at the lobby. 
 
At a spa … but he advertises in M4M websites and all the independent sensual/erotic masseurs (real masseurs and the rub-and-tuggers) —- their published and quoted rates only.  

I have a good paying job but $180/$200 an hour … i am not a lawyer or a doctor or whatever job out there that pays this much per hour.  Rent and supplies, yes it’s the masseur’s overhead but for me (for me, my opinion)… the high price now is maybe due to inflation and it might be because I have paid $180-$200 for their $150 price tag then, which makes them energized to now basically pricing themselves at $200   Since they already get it and most are paying. 
 
long post made short - I only pay the independents their advertised/quoted price.

 
 

That was my experience as well. But that was when they first opened. Maybe he has learned that hiring off of rentmasseur “may” mean something more.  
 
Any Oliver experiences? Or what’s his name here (he moonlights at the Silverlake thai gay spa as well).  The one with the glasses. 

I 100% agree on this statement and the number of time clients tell me a bad massage story is too far many. 

If you do want to learn take SOME sort of class and practice. There is a reason why you have to put your 500 hours because it does take time.

No decent masseur should require a face pic. If he’s asking for one then it’s a sign he’s not going to be any good. Move on to a professional. 

Yeah, maybe I’m in the minority here, but this is crazy to me.  
 
One of the benefits of hiring is - or should be? - that you’re free of having to offer yourself up for evaluation and approval in order to have a sexually rewarding experience.  Isn’t that part of what you’re paying for?
 
And isn’t our #1 job skill an ability to find the actual sexiness in all men and reflect it back to them?  An escort asking for pics … I’d wonder if he has that skill at all.  

There’s no reason a masseur or escort needs your face or body photos. It’s a red flag that they’re probably cherry picking clients based on whatever preferences they have. I suggest clients pass and move on to the professionals with no hangups about how their clients look.

I second what TooSchoolForCool has mentioned. Tight bod, fantastic facial features and the massage was good.  It is him  (profile pictures).  

I saw him last night.  He has a very nice place in Koreatown.  The massage was great and he looks exactly like his photos.  Maybe a little shorter than I expected but his body is rock hard!  PM me for more details!!  I left VERY happy!!

Nice  thai man. Good technical massage.  Had some nice sensual massage techniques different from the norm. Better to lay it all out during the texting phase … he is a regular travelling masseur so to be safe, YMMV? But based on my session with him, i would repeat when he’s back in LA.   

I just saw his ad - any forum friends tried him out yet? 

Actually found the IG account he steals picture from … just search joojake.  
 
if links or info not allowed moderator, please delete my message.  
 
these picture thieves should just post their own…we/i’ll still book them for massages if the massages are good. 

@colonexstacy big hugs from me! When they ask for a picture…i just say, my weight fluctuates like the tides. If they still balk and ask for vital statistics …I say thanks but I will be bring my business to someone else.  We are hiring off of RMasseur and not RMen (even still), this is not the hook-up app.  

I went to him once during the summer — he travels (not for work) a lot so his responses might be delayed.  Best to check if his profile is online or at least active recently.  
The pictures are of him.  That’s him.  B+ to A massage.  It’s a real massage and not just a rub.  He started massaging in a jock strap but I could have asked for him to go sans underwear from the get go (is what he told me).  Plenty of good extras though best to expect YMMV. I might have caught him at a good time.  West Hollywood apartment, street parking

I went to him once during the summer — he travels (not for work) a lot so his responses might be delayed.  Best to check if his profile is online or at least active recently.  
The pictures are of him.  That’s him.  B+ to A massage.  It’s a real massage and not just a rub.  He started massaging in a jock strap but I could have asked for him to go sans underwear from the get go (is what he told me).  Plenty of good extras though best to expect YMMV. I might have caught him at a good time.  West Hollywood apartment, street parking

I went to him once during the summer — he travels (not for work) a lot so his responses might be delayed.  Best to check if his profile is online or at least active recently.  
The pictures are of him.  That’s him.  B+ to A massage.  It’s a real massage and not just a rub.  He started massaging in a jock strap but I could have asked for him to go sans underwear from the get go (is what he told me).  Plenty of good extras though best to expect YMMV. I might have caught him at a good time.  West Hollywood apartment, street parking

Sigh.  I agree on not liking the new $200 minimum.  Some, in my area (City of Angels) are still at $150-$180 range but talks of extras (via the texting phase) tends to up up the $ already.  
 
Inflation hits both sides: client and provider.  Some of the legit masseurs that (still) provide extras are slowly climbing to this price point as well. 

I disagree with your premise about LA. I find we have a great variety to chose from. I travel a bit and have seen the offering in other cities and I think we have it good. This site alone I’d say a good 30-40% of the discussions are about LA providers.
 
With so many choices there are bound to be average masseurs but I think that’s part of what makes it fun, there is always something new. And while it might be a hit or a miss part of the excitement is that sense of the unknown, not knowing where a session might go and being surprised and awed. While I have my 2-3 go to guys I still like to have new experiences and am glad I live where there are plenty of options.
 
Yes perhaps I’ve been doing this too long. I’ve seen the price points double in the 20 years since I started to partake of m4m massage services. I’ve seen guys come and go and think that I’ll never have experience like that again and then new guys show up to the scene and the cycle starts all over.