NYCgymfitNEW

Nice guy actually -  but won't repeat.  His pictures were old... and his body wasn't as advertised... massage portion was weak... extra's - not worth it - especially for the $350 price tag... PM for details if you were thinking of hiring.  Hired from Rentmen... Nope!

Nice guy... but won't repeat.  His pictures were old... massage was weak... extra's - not worth it - and expensive on top of that... PM for details if you were thinking of hiring.

He's in Palm Springs now.  Quoting $400... Yowza!  And yet... lol.... those pictures.... are pretty enticing!

Nice guy actually -  but won't repeat.  His pictures were old... and his body wasn't as advertised... massage portion was weak... extra's - not worth it - especially for the $350 price tag... PM for details if you were thinking of hiring.  Hired from Rentmen... Nope!

Nice guy actually -  but won't repeat.  His pictures were old... and his body wasn't as advertised... massage portion was weak... extra's - not worth it - especially for the $350 price tag... PM for details if you were thinking of hiring.  Hired from Rentmen... Nope!

Bump.  Anyone ever take the plunge?  I am in Miami looking for an uncut Top BFE.  Thanks guys.

Rentmen has already deleted the profile, so I suspect the rentmasseur ad is using stolen pics.

It's not confirmed until you both agree on a time, date, and location. I get the frustration he's talking about, I'm sure we've all been there with the constant back and forth, games with some clients. Until you both agree on when to meet, then it's not officially confirmed.

Hey guys... this is a genuine question.  I will be interested in getting your thoughts.  I just had an interaction with a provider that turned - well nasty - actually.   I always like to see what I could have done differently - if anything - or is this really someone's issue.
I was planning a business trip about a week before the trip was supposed to take place.  I reached out to a few providers in the city that looked like a match.
I reached out to one - and said - I was planning a business trip for the following week and that although I wasn't sure how the schedule was going to shake out... if it went as I had hoped - Friday or Saturday would be my availability.  Asked whether he would be available in there - and rates etc.  I closed with "I will get back to you when I have more details."
My boss - being my boss -kept changing plans so I could not - in my view - finalise anything.  The provider reached out on Thursday with a ?.  I didn't answer it because I still didn't know.  On Friday - the plans changed.  The provider reached out again - and I said that I was sorry but the venue changed and I would not be around.
He was incredibly angry.  In his view, I had "scheduled" an appointment.  The text stream was - wild.  From his perspective - he had traveled to this city because people told him they wanted to hire him - but almost everyone canceled that week.  I can't speak to that.  The texting went on for a while - and he said he wanted to talk to me on the phone - which I agreed to do.  
He read me the riot act - pretty aggressively - about bothering people when I wasn't sure of my schedule. That in his view it was definitely happening on Friday or Saturday.  My view was - it isn't considered a booking until we have a date, time and place.
I offered half his fee - trying to see it from his standpoint - which he said was not enough.  I did not feel that I had done anything that warranted a full fee.
I have never had a provider get that angry before.  I really respect the work providers do - this was surprising to me.  When I have given less than 24 hours notice for an actual appointment where we have agreed on a date, time and place - I have paid.  Thoughts?  

Thanks to everyone who responded.  Learned some things... gained some insights... which is always a good thing! 
Moving on - hope everyone has a great week!  Be kind to each other.

I got it.  And as I said I took your criticism about not responding to his "?" to heart - reflected - and now have Venmo'd him the cancellation fee.  Going forward I will make a distinction between an inquiry and an appointment - which - made sense to me.  So - hopefully both the provider and myself - have gained some insights.  I have hired regularly for a long time - and never got this kind of reaction before.  The reaction seemed disproportionate to the moment. 
My comment as to whether he "should be in the industry" really stems from his reaction to his week - when he was so angry on the phone - that all his clients had flaked.  The - emotionality - was real.  The anger was real - and he is not a young kid.   He's been doing this for a minute.  And - you are in a high stress industry - but hopefully a rewarding one as well.  
You seem to have found a way to engage professionally -a set of rules and boundaries that allow you to keep your sanity.   Hope he finds the same.  Thanks to everyone for the advice.  Lessons learned all around... And as I said - most of my experiences with providers have been positive.  

I think you're just a victim of cumulative anger. You may have been the straw that broke his camel's back of frustration. 

Thanks guys.  I am actually a fan of the "deposit" - and suggested to this guy he start implementing it since apparently he had what he thought was going to be a weeks worth of clients disappear.  
My takeaways are - to be more clear that I am - "not booked until we have a date, time and place confirmed" and that the provider is free to book anyone else in the meantime.
Love the forum.  You guys are the best.
 

Thanks to everyone who responded.  Learned some things... gained some insights... which is always a good thing! 
Moving on - hope everyone has a great week!  Be kind to each other.

Update:  He came back requesting the "half fee" I offered that he initially refused. 
I will pay it just to - be done. And - also - as posters have suggested - I should have responded to his "?" - and it is clear that he had a very bad week.  I am a fan of taking responsibility for the part that is mine - and not taking responsibility for the things that are not. 
In the future I will be clear that I am not "booking" until I am ready to "book" - and that I am "inquiring" not booking.  This was an anomaly - most providers I have worked with in the past have actually been very professional.    
I would imagine being a provider can be very stressful - and it's not for everyone.  He should probably set up a "way of working", including deposits, and boundaries and not put the onus on the clients.  

Thanks to everyone who responded.  Learned some things... gained some insights... which is always a good thing! 
Moving on - hope everyone has a great week!  Be kind to each other.

Thanks guys.  I am actually a fan of the "deposit" - and suggested to this guy he start implementing it since apparently he had what he thought was going to be a weeks worth of clients disappear.  
My takeaways are - to be more clear that I am - "not booked until we have a date, time and place confirmed" and that the provider is free to book anyone else in the meantime.
Love the forum.  You guys are the best.
 

I agree with you.  I think deposits are the way to go.  When I suggested that to the provider for the future - he went off on a rant that if he requires deposits he won't get the clients - which - i disagree with - but - at that point he was not going to hear anything I said.  Thank you for your thoughtful and helpful response.

I wouldn't offer him anything personally, escorts never offer me a fee when they cancel or change the appotinment time.   You did nothing wrong.
You were upfront and unless an exact time and location is locked down, I don't consider that booked.
I do agree with the other posters though that you should have responded to the ? text  
 
 

My policy is that you have an appointment when you agree on place, time, fee, and payment method. I ask, "Do we have a deal?" If they say yes, I consider it a verbal contract.
From that point on, the deal cannot be changed without the consent of both parties. I often get new escorts who try to add conditions at the last moment (they assume I'm horny and lack self control). That's a violation of contract, and I usually cancel the appointment if they try that. Since they broke a contract, they are not entitled to a cancellation fee.
Please note what was said earlier. When the provider texted you a "?," the polite thing would have been to tell him why you hadn't finalized a deal. If you don't like getting ghosted by providers, don't ghost them.

Nothing is booked until the date, time and location are confirmed and agreed. Otherwise it’s just an enquiry. Clients ask me if I’m available on certain days that might align with their travel plans. This is sensible as I might be away or busy so I understand why clients check. But we agree that until they definitively book the time might be taken by someone else. 

I think your provider was unprofessional. Probably annoyed after a series of cancellations which I can empathise with but it’s still not right to take out his annoyance on you. It’s an inherent problem of his modus operandi and he should either adjust his approach by taking deposits before travelling or simply get out of the business if his model causes him that much trouble. You were generous offering to pay him half. 

Thanks guys.  I am actually a fan of the "deposit" - and suggested to this guy he start implementing it since apparently he had what he thought was going to be a weeks worth of clients disappear.  
My takeaways are - to be more clear that I am - "not booked until we have a date, time and place confirmed" and that the provider is free to book anyone else in the meantime.
Love the forum.  You guys are the best.
 

You did not book.
You inquired.
He inquired back and you should have answered his ? on Thurs, even to say your schedule still in flux, and he should not reject other bookings.
The principle behind a deposit is the provider saying “I am holding this time open exclusively for you so long as you show up on time” and that doesn’t work in every situation.
Working OOT and having ability incorporate your own social calendar in that locale is always tricky. I lied to my boss once about having to meet up w/ a cousin before she was sent to new job abroad, and it all worked out fine, I had my appointment and I was sent to the moon!!!! 
 

If I may, as a client in the past, comment, I’d say you definitely did NOT have a date scheduled @NYCgymfitNEW  Otherwise, why did the provider query it? 
In these circumstances I would pay NOTHING to the provider.
 
My only small criticism of you is that you might have responded to the query straightaway, saying Sorry, my plans are being changed by my boss so I cannot confirm yet. I still hope to see you if I’m able to be there.
I wouldn’t worry about the provider’s anger. It seems to me that possibly he was taking his business-frustration with others out on you. 

That was nice that you offered half the fee. Not sure how much that half was that isn’t “enough”, but it’s a reasonable gesture for the situation.
Other than that, this is why I only travel/see clients with deposits nowadays. Unless I really have some other reason to be in that particular city. I won’t say it’s his fault for not making sure clients were more confirmed but, this can be an issue when touring places and trying to schedule people. Not to mention: it seems guys who pay for “time” are often very limited on time. 
 
I understand those who come to us often have full and busy lives but, the clients also have to make room and  prioritize their escort meets. Often times, I’m working with clients who want to fit me in to different things they have going on, on short notice. Or if you’re not sure about your travel, and know it may fluctuate: don’t start reaching out yet until you’re at the airport. Also don’t contact multiple providers, contact one at a time. 
No need to spend hours back and forth. Have typed up what you want to do/spend and your location…ask the guy you want and book. It should only take 15 minutes, or 4-5 texts Max. If the one you want doesn’t respond, text again in about an hour to ensure message was received. Don’t contact a odd hours (some clients text me first thing in the morning, and I don’t really like to start my morning answering inquiries unless it’s for a client who’s booked from the night before). 
 
I know it seems reasonable to book in advance, but booking in advance works best when things are not in the hands of a third party (in this case, the boss who changed the plans).