Max Sargent (a warning)

[nynakedtop]

Naked,

You've got me thinking about the Rolling Stones song.

”I rode a tank

Held a general's rank

When the blitzkrieg raged

And the bodies stank...

Let me please introduce myself

I'm a man of wealth and taste

And I laid traps for troubadours

Who get killed before they reached Bombay

(Woo woo, who who)"

I digress.

But seriously, who wouldn't get steamed that they've added 'magical unicorns' to Lucky Charms? It's just wrong and somebody has to protest!

Sympathy for the devil!!!!!

 

YES!

[MaxSargent]

Hey Naked,

 

Check out this version:

 

[cooldemo03]

Max you are so handsome and would love to be with you someday. Do you ever come to LA area?

[LivingnLA]

Thank you to everyone who posted in this thread and to @MaxSargent for owning and apologizing his mistake. As many have said, we're all human beings and human beings make mistakes all the time. One of the key differences between brats and adults is an ability to recognize a mistake along with the willingness and ability to own, apologize, and learn from that mistake.

 

As I had said repeatedly, I do not use my real name, email, or mobile number for this "hobby." I also do not send face pics ever and I'm cautious when entering a space hosted by an escort as I scout for potential cameras or other obvious recording devices. Am I being paranoid? Somewhat, since I typically only meet with highly regarded professionals. But, all it takes is one bad situation to ruin careers, marriages, families, lives. As this whole thread demonstrates--or as even my very first hire taught me--even highly regarded professionals are still human beings and will make mistakes sometimes.

 

And yes, I know there are some professionals I will probably never be able to meet because they insist on "background checks" or want face pics of potential new clients for their own safety. I'm okay with that because discretion and safety are far more important to me than the chance to meet anyone. As with all things, your mileage may vary because your priorities and life situation are likely different than mine.

[builder boy]

I’m sure that of the multitude of options, this was nearly at the bottom of the list. I’m sure it afforded some momentary satisfaction, but it does not paint you in a good light, no matter how inconvenienced you were.

 

Post to badboy report or similar and move the fuck along - now you’re in company with Austin wolf and Brodie Sinclair...

Totally agree. I could never trust someone like this,therefor I would never hire him period

[builder boy]

Thank you to everyone who posted in this thread and to @MaxSargent for owning and apologizing his mistake. As many have said, we're all human beings and human beings make mistakes all the time. One of the key differences between brats and adults is an ability to recognize a mistake along with the willingness and ability to own, apologize, and learn from that mistake.

 

As I had said repeatedly, I do not use my real name, email, or mobile number for this "hobby." I also do not send face pics ever and I'm cautious when entering a space hosted by an escort as I scout for potential cameras or other obvious recording devices. Am I being paranoid? Somewhat, since I typically only meet with highly regarded professionals. But, all it takes is one bad situation to ruin careers, marriages, families, lives. As this whole thread demonstrates--or as even my very first hire taught me--even highly regarded professionals are still human beings and will make mistakes sometimes.

 

And yes, I know there are some professionals I will probably never be able to meet because they insist on "background checks" or want face pics of potential new clients for their own safety. I'm okay with that because discretion and safety are far more important to me than the chance to meet anyone. As with all things, your mileage may vary because your priorities and life situation are likely different than mine.

Outing someone is more than a mistake.

[LivingnLA]

Outing someone is more than a mistake.

 

I don't disagree, but I've given Max the benefit of the doubt based on his words and actions since he found this thread. What he did seemed to be an act of anger/desire for revenge or whatever, but at the end of the day, it was a very serious mistake and betrayal of professional discretion.

 

I believe he's deleted the tweets and he appears to be trying to make amends to the community for his actions. I applaud him for attempting to clean up the situation. To err is human. To forgive is compassionately divine.

[MaxSargent]

Max you are so handsome and would love to be with you someday. Do you ever come to LA area?

Yes, I'm there often. Send me a text or email through my RM ad.

[MaxSargent]

Outing someone is more than a mistake.

Builder,

I recently spent 5 days with a client that I had never met. It went extremely well and we're already making plans to go on a second trip.

I'm holding a Candlestick in hopes that you might change your mind:-)

 

 

 

Bread crumbs

[Cruiser7]

but I've given Max the benefit of the doubt based on his words and actions since he found this thread.

 

Yeah, and what if he didn’t find this thread and realize that, instead of supporting him, we find what he did despicable? And, at first, he tried to defend an indefensible position, as well as try to SELL us something (read the PS in his first post). FOH!

 

Outing someone is NEVER OK and that bell cannot be “unrung.” To potentially damage someone’s life, marriage, safety, job and God knows what else because you were miffed that he wasted your precious time is unconscionable and a disgrace to your profession. An apology after realizing people are not with you on this and the damage has already been done is totally unacceptable.

[builder boy]

Builder,

I recently spent 5 days with a client that I had never met. It went extremely well and we're already making plans to go on a second trip.

I'm holding a Candlestick in hopes that you might change your mind:)

 

 

 

Bread crumbs

For me I could never change my mind. You broke a code of confidentiality, by having a knee jerk reaction and doing something of this nature.

Who's to say you won't repeat this act again if something or someone comes along and upsets you again, and I have to agree as you now see this thread and this seems to be your livelihood damage control is in full effect.

"Once bitten shame on you, twice bitten shame on me".

No thanks.

[jcmiami1]

If you guys have Twitter there’s escort that created @flakesofrentmen that posts “bad” clients

[Indigo]

+14156499870 - Okay, cool babe…you gonna provide me with your full name, address, city and zip code so that my account manager will issue and mail out a certified check to you for your upfront payment, fl

 

For some odd reason that message alone raises the “scam/flake” red flag for me.

[Cruiser7]

Agreed, @Indigo. Aside from Jerry Springer, who pays for an escort with a check?

 

That’s why I could never fly an escort in from a different state. Besides that I couldn’t afford that, I can’t imagine the logistics of it...send him a plane ticket? The money for the ticket? What if he doesn’t get on the plane? What if he arrives and is terrible at his “job”? Now I’m stuck with this guy for a day plus or whatever? Not for me. Even an overnight I wouldn’t do.

[+ ITakeItDeep]

He was especially proficient in the nuances of prevarication

 

What bothers me more than what you actually did, was your smug and arrogant response. Lots of people respond that way too when they they've done something really wrong and don't want to give into the shame (especially when it's public). I can only hope that's what is going on with you because if not, then you are truly devoid of any conscience.

 

You aimed all of your frustration with all of the flakes you've encountered on just a few unfortunate souls. This guy ruined a few hours of your time, you may have ruined his life and he didn't deserve it. And did you stop to think at all not only about the dire consequences for him - both professionally and personally, but the serious collateral damage you may have cause as well? He could have children.

 

We ALL get frustrated with flakes whether there's some sort of transaction or not. I understand it must be all that more frustrating when those experiences aren't just limited to some weekends like it is with most of us 9-5'ers - and it's made all that more frustrating when that's how you pay your bills. However, I have news for you. We ALL experience the same kind, and same level of frustration in our own careers sometimes - be it not knowing that someone ordered the wrong part for an important project until it was too late or having finance upstairs lose your paperwork even though you emailed it, faxed it, and hand carried it. And what makes us professionals, is how we respond to it, not by throwing a tantrum and taking all of our toys home.

 

I agree with what OliverSaks said "

I’m sure that of the multitude of options, this was nearly at the bottom of the list.

 

Yeah, like charging a deposit with whatever conditions you choose. Otherwise, if you're getting so frustrated in this career that you can't problem solve and instead invoke the nuclear option, perhaps you should think about doing something else.

 

Finally, you don't know me, so I don't really expect you to care or respect what I say, but it seems there are a lot of people on here who think fondly of you and were surprised by your actions. Look, you fucked up - and fucked up kind of really bad. So I hope you'll at least hear them.

[LivingnLA]

Yeah, and what if he didn’t find this thread and realize that, instead of supporting him, we find what he did despicable? And, at first, he tried to defend an indefensible position, as well as try to SELL us something (read the PS in his first post). FOH!

 

Outing someone is NEVER OK and that bell cannot be “unrung.” To potentially damage someone’s life, marriage, safety, job and God knows what else because you were miffed that he wasted your precious time is unconscionable and a disgrace to your profession. An apology after realizing people are not with you on this and the damage has already been done is totally unacceptable.

 

Clearly you feel very strongly about this and I 100% respect your feelings and opinion. My perspective is somewhat different primarily because I suspect few people saw the tweets that potentially outed someone plus we don't even know if the pics are real and we know the phone number was a google voice number, which is slightly harder to tie to someone.

 

As I have said, I do not excuse Max for his fuck up. But, I would be beyond arrogant to not recognize the basic humanity of his fuck up and his attempt, yes even with the obvious and playful salesmanship, to make it better.

 

In the end, @Cruiser7, I respectfully disagree a little with you, probably because my situation is slightly different and my life experiences are slightly different too.

[+ azdr0710]

42 hours and 66 posts.....it's why I can't quit this forum!.......

 

[+ WhamIAm]

@MaxSargent -- we spent a couple of hours together a while back -- besides skillz, you came across as a really good, genuine guy. I think that's reflected to some degree in your apology.

 

However, you crossed a line that IMHO can never be crossed. Posting a photo or personal information in a public forum, especially one as pervasive as Twitter, simply destroys any trust one might have in that particular escort or their colleagues generally. That bell can never be unrung. We have no idea what an escort who is prone to post uses as his criteria to disclose client information. The only thing we can do to protect ourselves is stay very far away.

 

Personally, I've had negative (and sometimes really bad) experiences with escorts, but don't post negative reviews out of concern of retaliation from a guy who at least has my first name and phone number. Professionally, I also freelance and (thankfully) frequently deal with new clients/potential clients. Flakes or knobheads trying to exploit my skills without ever intending to sign up or pay are, sadly but simply, a cost of doing business. There are ways to communicate bad actors to your colleagues without undermining trust in you or in your profession.

 

I'm glad you seem to have grown from this. But, I could never think of engaging your services again. I wish you well.

[Cruiser7]

plus we don't even know if the pics are real and we know the phone number was a google voice number, which is slightly harder to tie to someone.

 

But he didn’t know any of this information when he posted it. So, just because, in this particular case, the pictures MAY be fake (we still don’t know), and it was a google phone (which none of us would know if we didn’t look it up), it’s OK that this person wholly violated the number one thing trusted and relied upon in his profession: discretion?

 

No way, no excuse or apology will make this right.

[cooldemo03]

We all do things out of anger that we shouldnt. Max has apologized and he regrets it and thats whats important .

[+ ArVaGuy]

We all do things out of anger that we shouldnt. Max has apologized and he regrets it and thats whats important .

 

AMEN!!

[+ saminseattle]

This is not the first time this issue has come up. I am reminded particularly of a thread by Devon Hunter from a few years ago: https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/a-way-to-warn-other-escorts-of-a-repeat-time-waster.102347/. I align myself with the comment of @WhamIAm (post 33), although I do not find it completely satisfying, as I also sympathize with Devon’s response about a “cycle of powerlessness.” (post 34). Demanding that providers simply absorb the loss and move on with no realistic accountability for appalling client misbehavior leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth. Still, I cannot think of an alternative approach that does not risk creating even greater damage, for all sides. As I have said before, if there were a code of professional ethics in this business, I think the first rule would absolute discretion for the client (with the only exception being cases of violence). https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/price-point-and-alternative-advetising-lowering-rates.120359/page-2#post-1206041 (post 28). I even extended this to the Italian priest case not long ago, even though I think my view was in the minority on that thread. https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/italian-escort-tells-all.134378/. People have also clearly not forgotten about the Austin Wolf controversy, so once the line has been crossed, it can have a lasting impact. https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/out-of-bounds-by-an-escort.106907/, https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/public-shaming-of-the-john-part-deux-austin-wolf.100252/. Along those lines, there was also this: https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/scammer-alert-beware.104455/ (which I cross-reference because of some insightful comments, not because I’m trying to resurrect old disputes on threads that had to be shut down).

 

Having said all that, we all make mistakes, and we would all be hurting if there were no second chances. While some people may cross someone off their list for such transgressions, others would simply proceed more cautiously. Last year, I chose to meet up with someone I was quite enamored with, despite knowing that he had used his twitter account to publicly shame someone who had offended him somehow. We had a great time together, and I am glad I overlooked his faux pas.

[BaronArtz]

AMEN!!

 

I wish I could agree with you. But as of today, 5/27, the insensitive tweet about Mr. G.W. area code 415, is still ON his twitter account ... What good is an apology if he doesn't remove the offending tweet?

 

Or is it impossible to remove tweets once you posted them?

[Brutus]

Goodness gentlemen!

 

P.S. Have any of you heard about the wicked popcorn flavored protein shakes that I make. Ask Mike Gaite about them.

This post reminds me of Mario Batali's "I'm sorry I sexually harassed those women but here's a recipe for a cinnamon rolls. " Except this time there's no apology.

[Brutus]

I don't care what Max writes or says or does; he shared private information that wasn't his to share.