A Shutdown of This Forum?

[crushme99]

There's been a good discussion of recent federal legislation affecting websites such as rentmen at this thread:

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/rm-removal-of-prices-in-ads.135184/

But I'm also curious about your views on the future of this very message forum itself and the accompanying reviews by Daddy's. Aren't these also going to be at risk from the new laws?

[TruthBTold]

I think there might be certain First Amendment problems in closing down publications/blogs that have certain discussions. Although you might discuss or even advocate certain illegal acts I do not believe you contravene a law unless you actually commit the outlawed act. I think it would be like me encouraging people to rob grocery stores because grocery stores represent capitalist interests. They could not shut down my blog for doing that. As opposed to me getting my gun and actually robbing a store.

[MassageDrew]

I hope that day never comes. It would be a shame to hire someone without being able to ask someone else for input. I really don’t put too much emphasis on the reviews posted on their ads.

[biggerbilly]

The first amendment is tricky. I can see this site remaining, but being extremely toned down. Like no detailed reviews, or reviews that are extremely detailed but don’t include contact information, so they can say their not promoting illegal activities.

[bigvalboy]

There's been a good discussion of recent federal legislation affecting websites such as rentmen at this thread:

https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/rm-removal-of-prices-in-ads.135184/

But I'm also curious about your views on the future of this very message forum itself and the accompanying reviews by Daddy's. Aren't these also going to be at risk from the new laws?

 

Daddy has spoken...

https://www.daddysreviews.com/cruise/2018-04-03

Edited April 4, 2018 by Guy Fawkes

[rossthebosssf]

Perhaps it's time we start a GoFundMe to relocate Daddy and his servers overseas.

[Reluctant Daddy]

Perhaps it's time we start a GoFundMe to relocate Daddy and his servers overseas.

 

I think an important thing to look into is whether the US owner (whether a company or an individual) of a site housed on a foreign server would still be liable under US law.

[Dmitri]

I think there might be certain First Amendment problems in closing down publications/blogs that have certain discussions. Although you might discuss or even advocate certain illegal acts I do not believe you contravene a law unless you actually commit the outlawed act. I think it would be like me encouraging people to rob grocery stores because grocery stores represent capitalist interests. They could not shut down my blog for doing that. As opposed to me getting my gun and actually robbing a store.

 

It is best to Google "Sesta/Fosta" and read up on it.It is not about anything like grocery stores, robbing anyone, etc. It is specific to "Sex Workers." I have read thru the whole thing, and it talks about forums such as this where people exchange information on what Sesta/Fosta refers to as "sex workers." This could be escorts, erotic masseurs, etc. People such as us in this forum that recommend a certain escort, erotic masseur, etc. is one area they are targeting. That includes even if we PM each other. We are not the ones who are held liable. It is the owner of the website that has the forum, escort reviews, etc. that gets busted ( 10 years jail time) Yes, that would be Daddy who would get busted and serve jail time. They consider the owner of the website is"promoting prostitution," either with their forums or their ads/reviews. So these forums will become useless. since we can't exchange info on escorts and masseurs, according to Sesta/Fosta. That is why Cityvibe shut down already....Reddit dropped certain sexual categories....Craigslist dropped their personals where escorts/masseurs were posting ads, etc. Since the owner gets busted for running the site, it is a HUGE risk for them. Read up on Sesta/Fosta....there are articles all over the internet. When the dust settles, I have a feeling these type of forums will be gone. It has nothing to do with what server the forum is on.....it is the internet service provider who screens and blows the whistle....and any ISP provider this forum uses will always be in the USA. Read up on Sesta/Fosta and you will see the writing is on the wall. Ugh

Edited April 4, 2018 by Dmitri

[BaronArtz]

Whatever the outcome is - it won't be business as usual. Let's not stick our head in the sand.

[JayCeeKy]

Hopefully, the administrators of this site won't be hasty as to shut down this site which so many find so informative and emotionally supportive. Sesta/Fosta, even though it was overwhelmingly approved by Congress (who's going to vote AGAINST trying to protect children?), was never reviewed by the Judicial Committees in either chamber and, even the Trump DOJ stated that it thought parts of the law are unconstitutional. It likely violates the First Amendment and the language used is so vague and the arguments so specious (e.g. reducing prostitution will reduce trafficking - when, in fact, where prostitution is reduced human trafficking increases) that it is likely that an inevitable court challenge will void this law. I realize that the owner of the site might just say "the heck with it - who needs the aggravation" - I am hoping that they wait to see how this thing shakes out in the courts, for the sake of all who participate in this great web site.

[+ DERRIK]

I defer to those legal heads in this forum but its important to remember that NO MONEY is involved in this forum or the associated reviews. Daddy isn't charging anyone (posters, escorts, onlookers). Daddy does take donations but it is entirely voluntary. Editors also are volunteers

 

speaking of donations - if we get value out of the reviews or forum - each of us should contribute as we can

[+ Keith30309]

I suppose we don’t fully appreciate something until we lose it. It’s a good opportunity for me to reflect on the value of things I sometimes take for granted.

 

https://www.daddysreviews.com/donate

[+ tassojunior]

There are two constitutional issues:

 

1) The ex post facto provision which makes one liable for infractions in the past. This is clearly unconstitutional and DOJ has even said so. I doubt it would take the whole law down and, if so, it would be repassed quickly.

 

2) The possible violation of 1st Amendment free speech. This is harder and in this case it may be good that we have a wack-job Supreme Court that says "money is speech", etc. (I personally wouldn't count on this).

 

Whether an appeal can be done quickly is the issue. I would assume a court will put enforcement of the law on hold pending appeal. However, if it takes time the platforms and providers will already have put serious broad blocks in place and I doubt they will take them down.

 

Google has already been on a puritanical tear this past year. First they deleted sexually nude photos from Google Photos and now they've stopped sex from the cloud, Google Drive. I hate to see their reaction to this law. (and yet OnlyFans is a Google Playstore App; go figure).

 

It's been long enough that the law has been discussed to where I expect the platforms and providers will slap their blocking filters on pretty soon after the bill is signed. (Which will be the next day or two or it goes into effect anyway after 10 days if Congress is in session).

 

The bill cleared Congress on March 21. Congress is not in session this week. There is a trick Congress uses to have an agent recieve veto/bill return messages but this has not occurred. Also Sundays do not count in the 10 days. Does anyone know why the 10-day pocket veto did not occur?

Edited April 4, 2018 by tassojunior

[MiamiLooker]

Perhaps it's time we start a GoFundMe to relocate Daddy and his servers overseas.

What makes you think he has any desire to relocate overseas?

[+ Tarte Gogo]

What makes you think he has any desire to relocate overseas?

It is on many people’s mind.

[rossthebosssf]

Sadly everything changes with the times. I remember when I thought the TI 99/4A was the best invention ever! BTW if anyone has an unopened one in mint condition I'll buy it at any cost.

 

I actually still have one in my garage in the original box. It's a bit beat up, but I love to fire it up from time to time. I loved that machine.

[BaronArtz]

It is on many people’s mind.

 

There are worse things that being stuck in Amsterdam for while ...

[Kevin Slater]

I actually still have one in my garage in the original box. It's a bit beat up, but I love to fire it up from time to time. I loved that machine.

 

I fondly remember learning BASIC on that machine.

 

Kevin Slater

[+ pitman]

Anyone remember the Communications Decency Act from the 1990s? Like this bill it was promoted as a way to protect children and passed overwhelmingly. It was ultimately overthrown in court but the process took a while.

[+ tassojunior]

What makes you think he has any desire to relocate overseas?

 

I think it's the servers and legal HQ that matter for RentMen. (Not that it will help under the new law).

[Dmitri]

Hopefully, the administrators of this site won't be hasty as to shut down this site which so many find so informative and emotionally supportive. Sesta/Fosta, even though it was overwhelmingly approved by Congress (who's going to vote AGAINST trying to protect children?), was never reviewed by the Judicial Committees in either chamber and, even the Trump DOJ stated that it thought parts of the law are unconstitutional. It likely violates the First Amendment and the language used is so vague and the arguments so specious (e.g. reducing prostitution will reduce trafficking - when, in fact, where prostitution is reduced human trafficking increases) that it is likely that an inevitable court challenge will void this law. I realize that the owner of the site might just say "the heck with it - who needs the aggravation" - I am hoping that they wait to see how this thing shakes out in the courts, for the sake of all who participate in this great web site.

 

I defer to those legal heads in this forum but its important to remember that NO MONEY is involved in this forum or the associated reviews. Daddy isn't charging anyone (posters, escorts, onlookers). Daddy does take donations but it is entirely voluntary. Editors also are volunteers

 

speaking of donations - if we get value out of the reviews or forum - each of us should contribute as we can

 

Firstly, SESTA/FOSTA has nothing to do with sites that pay or sites that are free. It has to do with ANY sites, free or not, that have forums, reviews, or escort or erotic massage ads that "promote prostitution." All you have to do is go into the Escort or Massage forums on this site, and everyone is recommending certain escorts or masseurs, and mentioning the sexual services they provide. In addition to all the reviews posted each day, that go into detail about sexual services provided, and include the website link to where you can find the escort being reviewed. Daddy's Reviews website is low hanging fruit, with it's reviews and sexually explicit forums giving advice on who to hire. It breaks all the laws in what SESTA/FOSTA is trying to accomplish. I do not know Daddy, but appreciate the service he has provided for all of us over these years. But SESTA/FOSTA will become law, and I for one would never want to put Daddy at risk. He seems like a great guy, and if he was a close friend of mine, I would tell him to take the site offline. I would never be selfish enough to want him to keep it online for my own pleasure, and throw him under the bus and risk a 10 year prison sentence, just so I could get recommendations on escorts or masseurs. That would be very selfish. This type of site is exactly who SESTA/FOSTA is targeting. It is a huge risk keeping it online, and risk going to prison. Ask yourself.....if this was YOUR site, would you keep it online with SESTA/FOSTA and all the shit going on with these bills and the climate in the Trump administration? I sure as hell would not. I would hit the "delete" button and sleep well at night, instead of tossing and turning in bed at night worried about getting caught and going to prison.

Edited April 5, 2018 by Dmitri

[+ Hoover42]

The bill cleared Congress on March 21. Congress is not in session this week. [...] Does anyone know why the 10-day pocket veto did not occur?

Since Congress is on break until April 9, 2018, it sure seems like Trump has exercised the pocket veto.

 

I wonder if there is some debate over whether this mid-session break is a true break or not.

[JayCeeKy]

Does anyone know if Trump signed SESTA? It was my understanding that he had until last Saturday to sign; if he doesn't sign, it becomes a "pocket veto" and Congress would have to start over. Since the ACLU and many online companies are seeking clarity on this bill, perhaps it will come back in a more palatable form for sex workers i.e. delineate between adult sex workers and sex traffickers. Since this is an election year and politicians love to tout their "family values" I'm not keeping my fingers crossed.

[+ tassojunior]

Since Congress is on break until April 9, 2018, it sure seems like Trump has exercised the pocket veto.

 

I wonder if there is some debate over whether this mid-session break is a true break or not.

Does anyone know if Trump signed SESTA? It was my understanding that he had until last Saturday to sign; if he doesn't sign, it becomes a "pocket veto" and Congress would have to start over. Since the ACLU and many online companies are seeking clarity on this bill, perhaps it will come back in a more palatable form for sex workers i.e. delineate between adult sex workers and sex traffickers. Since this is an election year and politicians love to tout their "family values" I'm not keeping my fingers crossed.

 

 

And the Senate and House of Representatives is said to be in session on any particular day when it is meeting. https://www.senate.gov/reference/Index/Sessions.htm

 

If Congress were considered in session it would have become law without the president's signature in 10 days. I'm stumped.

 

I have heard that a lot of the SESTA and other tech stuff is pushed behind the scenes by Oracle who is competing with Amazon for a multi-billion dollar government cloud contract. Oracle is bitter enemies with Google. It's the major pro-Trump tech outfit and it's top officers are considered candidates for Trump appointments.

 

 

update- The bill was held back and presented to Trunp by Congress on 4/5.

Edited April 7, 2018 by tassojunior

[+ OliverSaks]

Open a new forum / platform using Tor

 

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