Sex, Politics, Meth and Death in West Hollywood

[Rod Hagen]

http://www.wehotimes.com/sex-politics-meth-death-west-hollywood/

 

Apologies if someone already posted this sad story.

[bigvalboy]

Sadly West Hollywood is no different than any other place in America that suffers from drug problems.

[+ quoththeraven]

Remember all those discussions of racial preferences and who gets hired? If Buck is doing what is alleged, he is an example of someone with a dangerous and racist fetish.

 

There are plenty of other people who do less dangerous things to their partners that are also racist (dominating a black man because he's black, using slurs, etc.) or are based on racial stereotypes (black man dominating a non-black partner, prison rape roleplay, etc.)

 

To me, this article is not primarily about drugs.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

http://www.wehotimes.com/sex-politics-meth-death-west-hollywood/

 

Apologies if someone already posted this sad story.

 

I had seen this article already and it's incredibly sad.

 

Drugs aren't the focus of the story: It's really about money buying someone protection. The West Coast political swamp is just as murky as DC's.

[caliguy]

I get the mothers anger but I don't really think you can go after a guy just because he paid these men to shoot up. Buck is discusting and should forever be tarnished by this. However, anyone who freely injects Meth into their veins has to know the consequences.

 

The biggest thing we learn in NA is about accepting responsibility.

[kewtex]

One wonders who informed the mother of California's Drug Dealer Liability Act of 2005 - the police, an ambitious attorney, one of Buck's political or personal rivals?

[caliguy]

One wonders who informed the mother of California's Drug Dealer Liability Act of 2005 - the police, an ambitious attorney, one of Buck's political or personal rivals?

Yeah, seriously doubt the Mom knew about this. Be a great time to attack. Get him while he's down.

 

I read it a bit. The only problem I see is figuring out damages. He's dead so no rehab needed. Plus, it would be hard to figure out lost earnings or potential.

[kewtex]

Plus, it would be hard to figure out lost earnings or potential.

 

The vicious circle remains, although meth has edged out coke.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFOpD-S071M

[adannyboy]

To me, this article is not primarily about drugs.

THANK YOU

 

I get the mothers anger but I don't really think you can go after a guy just because he paid these men to shoot up. Buck is discusting and should forever be tarnished by this. However, anyone who freely injects Meth into their veins has to know the consequences.

 

The biggest thing we learn in NA is about accepting responsibility.

 

Does NA teach victim blaming as well? Gemmel Moore wrote in a journal that this person introduced him to the drugs. He went from zero to injection which is quite the leap as far as amphetamines go. I don't know if anyone has ever viewed drug use as a business decision, but for those engaged in survival sex, it is a very real decision. Sometimes the later consequences don't seem as real as the immediate need for food, shelter, cash, etc.

[bigvalboy]

THANK YOU

 

 

 

Does NA teach victim blaming as well? Gemmel Moore wrote in a journal that this person introduced him to the drugs. He went from zero to injection which is quite the leap as far as amphetamines go. I don't know if anyone has ever viewed drug use as a business decision, but for those engaged in survival sex, it is a very real decision. Sometimes the later consequences don't seem as real as the immediate need for food, shelter, cash, etc.

 

Well said...

[kewtex]

Gemmel Moore wrote in a journal that this person introduced him to the drugs. He went from zero to injection which is quite the leap as far as amphetamines go.

 

It's almost as big a leap as believing Gemmel Moore knew nothing about drugs before he met Ed Buck. Still, in the spirit of fairness, where might one find a copy of Mr. Moore's journal implicating Mr. Buck?

[adannyboy]

It's almost as big a leap as believing Gemmel Moore knew nothing about drugs before he met Ed Buck. Still, in the spirit of fairness, where might one find a copy of Mr. Moore's journal implicating Mr. Buck?

 

Why is it a leap? Is it because he's a black man? A sex worker? I'm genuinely curious.

 

http://www.jasmyneacannick.com/breaking-journal-documents-how-wealthy-democratic-donor-hooked-young-black-gay-man-on-meth-before-his-death/

Edited August 18, 2017 by adannyboy

[Mocha]

I get the mothers anger but I don't really think you can go after a guy just because he paid these men to shoot up. Buck is discusting and should forever be tarnished by this. However, anyone who freely injects Meth into their veins has to know the consequences.

 

The biggest thing we learn in NA is about accepting responsibility.

 

I have to rebuff your comments. Sounds real insensitive and another case of victim blaming virus which seems to run rampant on this forum. Remember, there was a similar story where an escort allegedly injected heroin and killed her client and they threw the book at her. If what this man did is true...he deserves an injection too...but it's unlikely he'll get the death penalty because you know...

 

That said, in defense of the client...having been around all sorts of druggy White men and clients myself, it seems almost horror story unrealistic that the client would want to do this. You can't just poke someone with a meth or heroine needle. I won't go into gory details, but I know from experience. If someone even TRIED (just merely asking me would evoke this) to poke me with a street drug needle, like Dwayne Johnson said in the movie "fate of the furious" I would "kick their teeth so far down their throat, they'd be sticking their toothbrush up their ass to brush their teeth."

 

I can't say whether the guy deserves to live or die, but based on my experiences in the gay community...its hard to really tell because you have your weekend warrior types who you'd never think would try...and meth and coke is so prevalent it's just hard to really know what's going on anymore.

[kewtex]

Why is it a leap? Is it because he's a black man? A sex worker? I'm genuinely curious.

 

http://www.jasmyneacannick.com/breaking-journal-documents-how-wealthy-democratic-donor-hooked-young-black-gay-man-on-meth-before-his-death/

 

I find it difficult to believe many 26-year-olds are unaware of meth.

 

I misread your original post: "Gemmel Moore wrote in a journal that this person introduced him to the drugs." I thought you had typed, "…introduced him to drugs." My error caused my skepticism.

 

The journal does paint a distressing portrait of a man lost in addiction.

[caliguy]

Why is it a leap? Is it because he's a black man? A sex worker? I'm genuinely curious.

 

http://www.jasmyneacannick.com/breaking-journal-documents-how-wealthy-democratic-donor-hooked-young-black-gay-man-on-meth-before-his-death/

Being black or a sex worker has nothing to do with it. I'm sure for every addict who OD's there's someone to blame though. Dealer, friends, etc, etc. Believe me. I spent many years doing the blame game.

 

Those letters that Gremmel were sad. However, they also show someone who didn't take any responsibility for his own destruction. It was all Bucks fault. Typical addict response.

Edited August 18, 2017 by caliguy

[LADoug1]

Just saw coverage of this on the local LA news. WEHO sheriff's office has reopened case as a homicide investigation. Nothing was said about the possibility that Gemmel was an escort or the details about the way he died except that first it was deemed an accidental overdose and now deemed a possible homicide.

[Rudynate]

Remember all those discussions of racial preferences and who gets hired? If Buck is doing what is alleged, he is an example of someone with a dangerous and racist fetish.

 

There are plenty of other people who do less dangerous things to their partners that are also racist (dominating a black man because he's black, using slurs, etc.) or are based on racial stereotypes (black man dominating a non-black partner, prison rape roleplay, etc.)

 

To me, this article is not primarily about drugs.

 

 

I occasionally see black escorts say in their ads that they're into race play.

[caliguy]

Just saw coverage of this on the local LA news. WEHO sheriff's office has reopened case as a homicide investigation. Nothing was said about the possibility that Gemmel was an escort or the details about the way he died except that first it was deemed an accidental overdose and now deemed a possible homicide.

Buck was apparently hooked on Meth himself. No big surprise. The only reason this is making the news at all is because of who he is.

http://www.wehotimes.com/allegations-death-sex-worker-plaque-influential-west-hollywood-political-insider/

[marylander1940]

Sadly West Hollywood is no different than any other place in America that suffers from drug problems.

 

yes, but now that drugs have taken over Appalachia and the South all of the sudden republicans feel sorry (in theory) about the subject and they call them victims instead of "poor of spirit", "drug addicts", "thugs" and other names they used to call them.

[BaronArtz]

I am generally speaking open-minded about various fetishes. In this case I really recoil at the thought that there is somebody out there who uses his vast financial resources to coerce young - presumably underprivileged - men to come close to overdose just for his own pleasure. I hope there will be legal consequences.

[kewtex]

Buck was apparently hooked on Meth himself. No big surprise. The only reason this is making the news at all is because of who he is.

http://www.wehotimes.com/allegations-death-sex-worker-plaque-influential-west-hollywood-political-insider/

 

The biggest thing we learn in NA is about accepting responsibility.

 

Does NA teach victim blaming as well?

 

At the risk of also being accused of blaming the victim, the article referenced by @caliguy makes clear both Gemmel Moore and Damar Love visited Ed Buck's apartment on more than one occasion, knowing full well Mr. Buck used drugs and forced drug use on others. Mr. Buck's actions are reprehensible, but Messrs. Moore and Love are responsible for placing themselves in harm's way.

[BaronArtz]

At the risk of also being accused of blaming the victim, the article referenced by @caliguy

but Messrs. Moore and Love are responsible for placing themselves in harm's way.

 

What if they desperately needed to make money? They agreed to Mr. Buck's vicious demands because they needed money to survive? Not everybody has ample choices in life. Certainly not when you are young, black, gay and a street prostitute on a boulevard in L.A.

[+ FreshFluff]

“[buck] would have my son to go out to… Santa Monica Boulevard looking for young gay black guys so he could inject them with drugs, see their reaction and how [they] would react and take pictures of them.”

 

Good lord. This story really upset me for some reason. And yeah, if he was paying enough, it would be really difficult for someone who's hard up for money to turn him down.

 

Maybe the BDSM community needs to rethink it's "Anything goes between consenting adults" stance.

[bigvalboy]

At the risk of also being accused of blaming the victim, the article referenced by @caliguy makes clear both Gemmel Moore and Damar Love visited Ed Buck's apartment on more than one occasion, knowing full well Mr. Buck used drugs and forced drug use on others. Mr. Buck's actions are reprehensible, but Messrs. Moore and Love are responsible for placing themselves in harm's way.

 

Correct...

 

What if they desperately needed to make money? They agreed to Mr. Buck's vicious demands because they needed money to survive? Not everybody has ample choices in life. Certainly not when you are young, black, gay and a street prostitute on a boulevard in L.A.

 

An addict doesn't need a reason to use.

[+ FreshFluff]

 

An addict doesn't need a reason to use.

 

True but getting serious money for using can make people who wouldn't otherwise have a problem into addicts.