Eli in NYC

[MassageFanNYC]

https://www.masseurfinder.com/mobile/listings/view/eliblu/

 

After reading SO many wonderful reviews here about Eli I found him to be a bit short and cold in texts to ask him for availability.

 

Any feedback?

[Jose Anmo]

hmmm.. i saw eli a while ago... so i don't remember the text/phone conversation but i remember it was pretty easy. And we had a good connection, laughed and chatted the entire time during the massage.

 

Maybe he's having a bad day/week ...

[Terpmaniac]

He acted like a jerk. He probably feels he is so hot and so popular he can pick and choose his clients. After that exchange I wouldn't want to meet him anyway. You are better off going to someone else.

[+ nycman]

Sounds like you guys got off on the wrong foot....for whatever reason.

 

I've learned....when that happens....just move on.

 

Don't overanalyze it.

 

It just is.

 

There are other fish in the sea...move on.

[tennisjock]

I can understand short responses to questions as guys have to deal with a lot of texting and callers. And then just texting asking when you could chat with him about setting up an appt I can see how he would do limited responses. He is awesome guy. When I make appts with anyone I am quite concise such as do you have time this afternoon for a 90 min Incall ? I can start anytime from 2-430 ..tends to let the OP know I am serious and rather than back and forth just put it out there in a concise manner and if it works it works if not move on.

[MassageFanNYC]

I can understand short responses to questions as guys have to deal with a lot of texting and callers. And then just texting asking when you could chat with him about setting up an appt I can see how he would do limited responses. He is awesome guy. When I make appts with anyone I am quite concise such as do you have time this afternoon for a 90 min Incall ? I can start anytime from 2-430 ..tends to let the OP know I am serious and rather than back and forth just put it out there in a concise manner and if it works it works if not move on.

 

Great response. Thanks! That's actually usually what I do too when I'm in my home city and have more control over my schedule. But in caring for this elderly person while I'm here, my time is controlled by his needs, so I guess I just wanted to know what my options were with Eli's schedule, since it could have been any time within a two week period and I didn't want to miss seeing Eli. The other guys I've booked when I've been here have been appreciative of my being upfront about my situation so that they could make offers/suggestions for what could work for their schedules, and most have been really happy to know they were going to work on someone who gave so much of their own personal time to another human being in need. So it just surprised me that Eli seemed so cold when I was really serious about wanting to find a time to book him. I'm going to give Eli the benefit of the doubt that he had probably just gotten too many "fishing expedition texts" that day and was tired of it.

 

I know clients can take up WAY too much of the time of these guys without actually booking something. But I kind of wish there was a way to clue them in at the very beginning when they're talking to someone who's a genuinely nice person, someone who is serious about booking and someone who tips generously when the therapist goes out of their way to make the appointment special. They get enough jerks that piss them off and disrespect them while on the table, so I'd like to think they'd like to know when they have a good guy contacting them. On the other hand, we all know that there are MANY guys in this business that are not in it because they are compassionate kind and caring healers trying to do something for humanity - those types are in it because they figure it's easy money to rub some oil on a guy, flash their dick and quickly rub out a HE before jettisoning the person off the table and out the door. So my challenge as a client is that I don't want to see and give my money to that second type - no matter how hot they may be. Not when I know how amazing the first kind is.

 

But sadly the witch hunt started by the rentboy crackdown has made the advertisement websites BEYOND paranoid and guys can no longer actually accurately describe the full scope of their work. Which makes us have to work SO much harder to find the right guys to hire!

[handiacefailure]

I contact him when I was in NYC in December and didn't have much luck either. My only was only a few minutes away from 8th and 45th and call went into Voicemail. Since it was going to be hard for me to chat voice later I texted him asking him if he was available at a certain time the next day and apologized for the short notice and he just replied no. I replied with the time I was available the following two days I was in the city with no response. I thought maybe he didn't want tourists and only wanted locals who would be regulars but after reading the OP I wonder now if he is just a jerk

[massagelover]

I've been to Eli about 15 times over the past three years - he is amazing. He cares very much about giving a real, deep, amazing massage that is also sensual. His body is off the charts amazing. In person, he is funny, sexy and charming and has this endearing South African accent. His place is spotless and beautiful and I always feel completely safe there. I think he can just be abrupt in texts because he gets tons of messages all day long, many from people who have no intention of getting a massage. I agree he should work on his customer service for new clients like you, but once you know him, he's a gem.

[MassageFanNYC]

I contact him when I was in NYC in December and didn't have much luck either. My only was only a few minutes away from 8th and 45th and call went into Voicemail. Since it was going to be hard for me to chat voice later I texted him asking him if he was available at a certain time the next day and apologized for the short notice and he just replied no. I replied with the time I was available the following two days I was in the city with no response. I thought maybe he didn't want tourists and only wanted locals who would be regulars but after reading the OP I wonder now if he is just a jerk

 

Someone just private messaged me that he's actually very nice in person but horribly inconsistent and sometimes dismissive with communication prior to the appointment. So I'm guessing that's just not his strong point. But I heard enough nice things about him that I'm willing to try again and report back here if I end up having any luck booking him. It does sound as if it's he's very popular and successful, so he may not consider the communication thing to be important to him. And while that sucks for sure, if he's at least good at the actual massage appointment, that's most important. It sort of makes me want to ask him if/when I meet him what makes him reluctant to be as nice in texting and communications as they say he is during the appointments. It has to come from somewhere. I know a lot of guys who are masseurs who complain about how rude and inconsiderate and aggravating the majority of clients are who contact them. So some of the blame may lay on the jerks that exist in the client base, I guess.

[handiacefailure]

Someone just private messaged me that he's actually very nice in person but horribly inconsistent and sometimes dismissive with communication prior to the appointment. So I'm guessing that's just not his strong point. But I heard enough nice things about him that I'm willing to try again and report back here if I end up having any luck booking him. It does sound as if it's he's very popular and successful, so he may not consider the communication thing to be important to him. And while that sucks for sure, if he's at least good at the actual massage appointment, that's most important. It sort of makes me want to ask him if/when I meet him what makes him reluctant to be as nice in texting and communications as they say he is during the appointments. It has to come from somewhere. I know a lot of guys who are masseurs who complain about how rude and inconsiderate and aggravating the majority of clients are who contact them. So some of the blame may lay on the jerks that exist in the client base, I guess.

 

Maybe I"ll give him another shot when I'm in NYC sometime and try to give him a little more notice. I'm sure a lot of massage therapist and escorts do get jerked around by guys who aren't serious but that's why I texted him instead of emailing. I figure if the guy has my phone number he'll realize I'm pretty serious. Someone in that field should have better people skills though

[MikeyGMin]

I've been to Eli about 15 times over the past three years - he is amazing. He cares very much about giving a real, deep, amazing massage that is also sensual. His body is off the charts amazing. In person, he is funny, sexy and charming and has this endearing South African accent. His place is spotless and beautiful and I always feel completely safe there. I think he can just be abrupt in texts because he gets tons of messages all day long, many from people who have no intention of getting a massage. I agree he should work on his customer service for new clients like you, but once you know him, he's a gem.

I've met a lot of guys who are very abrupt in their texting who turned out to be completly sweet and focused in person. It's certainly less than ideal, but can you imagine how exhausting it would be to be charming and kind and communicative in every exchange? Many of them are completly different once they know who you are.

[Capitano]

We live in times of short and shrinking attention spans. What appears curt to some is perfectly normal to others, especially if they are younger, foreigners, etc. I have noticed that I find it increasingly difficult/annoying to answer the phone and talk to strangers, I'd much rather they'd send ma a short and to-the-point text or email. No big intros, just basic politeness and reasonably good grammar, but just tell me what you want. Fast. And do your homework, don't ask for things that a quick search, a web page, or document you should have access to could answer. I imagine these guys have even less patience, plus write much less in their lives, so be ready not to take personally what you perceive as rude.

 

My typical first text is "Hi, I saw you on ... and would like to try your massages, would you be available tomorrow afternoon (or evening, etc. ) for a 90 minute appointment?" But I will check their ad beforehand, making sure that tomorrow afternoon is indeed their working day. And take it from there, you typically narrow down the day and time going back and forth, and then you can ask about the location, keeping in mind that you typically get the exact address or room number just before the appointment. Sensuality, nudity, and similar questions are better not discussed as this sounds alarm bells and typically scares them away. Your best shot for those is this site. Or the distinction between sensual and erotic on rentmasseur if they have an ad there. Or if they have an ad on rentmen.com. If you insist on those questions and manage not to scare them away, most will go into the appointment in their defense mode, determined not to give an ounce beyond what they agreed to, and even that in their stiffest and pissiest mode. It's a no win really, but that's the world we live in, and if a guy with no history here gets you going you just have to spend $200 or so just to find out whether it was worth it. And if a guy has a record here, just go with it; trying to pin him down on these terms is likely to backfire for the reason I just mentioned.

[allyouknow]

Perhaps too much conversation regarding a first meeting? What was there to chat about especially since they don't know you. From what I understand there can be a lot apprehension from clients who book, then cancel, then book again etc. I do believe that anything that needs to be addressed can be addressed during the first five minutes of a session. having said that based on my own experiences I voiced my concerns about massage etc with my shrink, or a friend first, and not with the massage therapist other then : availability, will it be nude, can I shower there.

[Cliff]

You dodged a bullet. Don't like him. Arrogant and a total ass.

[AdamSmith]

I can understand short responses to questions as guys have to deal with a lot of texting and callers. And then just texting asking when you could chat with him about setting up an appt I can see how he would do limited responses. He is awesome guy. When I make appts with anyone I am quite concise such as do you have time this afternoon for a 90 min Incall ? I can start anytime from 2-430 ..tends to let the OP know I am serious and rather than back and forth just put it out there in a concise manner and if it works it works if not move on.

Just so. These guys have to interleave being present and engaged with each client, with also making timely response to each incoming inquiry, working their Air Traffic Control all day long. In setting up a meeting, helps them if you can strive to be efficient and concise.

 

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[ncc1701d]

agree with the above posts....his interpersonal skills up front is less than stellar, but the massage and body makes up for it. And post massage his demeanor is also very warm. So it does sound like a case of "once I know you are real, then....."

[MassageFanNYC]

Perhaps too much conversation regarding a first meeting? What was there to chat about especially since they don't know you. From what I understand there can be a lot apprehension from clients who book, then cancel, then book again etc. I do believe that anything that needs to be addressed can be addressed during the first five minutes of a session. having said that based on my own experiences I voiced my concerns about massage etc with my shrink, or a friend first, and not with the massage therapist other then : availability, will it be nude, can I shower there.

Not that it's important in the discussion, but to my defense - I didn't ask or want to have some long conversation with the guy. I posted here about Eli because everything I've read about him from what SO many have said here and in his reviews and from what he says himself, indicated to me that something was amiss... and I honestly wanted to hear what others said about booking with him and if there was helpful advice on how Eli specifically prefers to communicate. The most helpful response I got was in private where I was told that Eli was terribly inconsistent with answering text messages - sometimes cold or not at all and other times really warm and quick to respond. And that put it all into perspective for me, and helped me to see that he's worth the extra effort to try to book with the guy.

[Jim_n_NYC]

Wow...too much typing.

[BaronArtz]

Not that it's important in the discussion, but to my defense - I didn't ask or want to have some long conversation with the guy. But I have two weeks to play with while I'm in town, and because of caring for a elderly patient, my easier times to get away are during the evening hours. As a nurse practitioner who works independently and often works for free when patients need that, I actually APPRECIATE when patients contact me exactly the way I contacted him, to try to have an actual conversation about where in the week's schedule a mutually agreeable time would be available. Otherwise it becomes a ridiculous game of "hunt and peck" as a patient/patient's family member tries to ask about a bunch of dates and times, and I would keep saying "try again".

 

And as a nurse practitioner, I'm also appreciative when a new patient or patient family member gives me a bit of insight as to what I might be needed for during the time I'm caring for the person. I'm also VERY appreciative when patients will ask me about how much schedule works with their needs. I have a set schedule I prefer to keep, but it can be adjusted here and there as necessary, and how would I ever be able to make that choice unless a patient ASKS me if I can make something work that might be outside of my set schedule? For me, if it's all the same to a patient, then yes, stick to my working hours so i can have a semblance of a life outside of my work. But if they have outside issues that might make my set schedule difficult for being able to treat them, then I like to have the option to know what that is and to see if I can arrange to make it work within their world. I can always say no, but it's worth a moment of conversation. It's no different with a massage therapist. They are treating the body and the spirit, and there are many mitigating factors that having knowledge of can make their work far more effective. They don't need a whole life story, but the day a human being can't spend a couple of minutes to care about the issues of another human being who is coming to them for care, is the day they have turned their humanity in and replaced it with cold hard greed.

 

I encountered a NUMBER of those types when looking for a bodyworker this week, and you notice that I did NOT post about any of them. They were pretty transparent and easy to dismiss in their attitude. I posted here about Eli because everything I've read about him from what SO many have said here and in his reviews and from what he says himself, indicated to me that something was amiss... and I honestly wanted to hear what others said about booking with him and if there was helpful advice on how Eli specifically prefers to communicate. The most helpful response I got was in private where I was told that Eli was terribly inconsistent with answering text messages - sometimes cold or not at all and other times really warm and quick to respond. And that put it all into perspective for me, and helped me to see that he's worth the extra effort to try to book with the guy.

 

Dude ... relax. It is just a massage. It doesn't need to be so over-complicated.

 

If the way you express yourself on this forum is in any way representative of how your interacted with this masseur, I totally understand he cut you off. It is just too verbose. It is too long-winded. A masseur is not interested in all the drama in your life. Next time just say, how about Friday 9 p.m. or Saturday 11 a.m? Keep it simple.

[Mo Mason]

^ This is what I was thinking. It sounds like you texted the guy a three paragraph text message detailing your work with this elderly patient, and he just didn't want to hear all that noise. But his responses were too short and therefor rude, in my opinion. So you're both assholes.

[Mo Mason]

Just kidding. You're both cool in my book.

[tennisjock]

Dude ... relax. It is just a massage. It doesn't need to be so over-complicated.

 

If the way you express yourself on this forum is in any way representative of how your interacted with this masseur, I totally understand he cut you off. It is just too verbose. It is too long-winded. A masseur is not interested in all the drama in your life. Next time just say, how about Friday 9 p.m. or Saturday 11 a.m? Keep it simple.

AMEN to this. Also I think you are confusing how you handle clients as to how a masseur handles theirs..its completely different. For a nurse practitioner you want to speak with the person as they are caring for a loved one.. and or a rich one and you are with them for days weeks months... whereas a massage is like no more than 2 hours..keep it simple and and you will see

[Typical]

Exactly.

 

For the record, Eli is AMAZING. But he's not a psychoanalyst.

 

I can only imagine all of the drama and talk that must go along with the original poster. Good grief! Run for the hills.

 

It's just a massage. Make an appointment. Lay down. Relax. If your first choice doesn't work out for whatever reason, call the next guy. There are literally dozens.

 

No big deal. Chill.

[NotMike]

Hey "Typical" you got it. My time with Eli was great he gives a great massage, as was our

time together. He's got as much right as we do to pick and choose who he works with, and make that decision in response to our text or contact experience. After all he's bringing us into him home to spend an intimate hour with a stranger. I would assume he has more interactions with strangers then most of his clients so he's got the right to be the judge of who he wants to work with and there's plenty out there to move on if it doesn't work for you.

[+ Italiano]

I guess that's his "style". And my experience with him was quite similar.

When texting he sounds sort of arrogant, short and "cold". Once I got to his place, everything changed, he was warm, nice, accommodating.

From A to Z the massage was a 10+ that I had to repeat a few weeks later.