ANd the winner is.....

[+ purplekow]

First the Superbowl and now this.

[longtime lurker]

I am assuming you mean the Oscar Best Pic Mix-up?

[BabyBoomer]

Where's Steve Harvey?

 

~Boomer ~

[+ purplekow]

I am suspicious of a Russian fix.

[Kippy]

And the Hollywood elites think Trump looks foolish! This deserves an Oscar!

 

Peace,

 

Kipp

[+ purplekow]

And the Hollywood elites think Trump looks foolish! This deserves and Oscar!

 

Peace,

 

Kipp

 

 

And this somehow changes the foolishness of trump? The Oscars are merely fancy advertising for movies. This move is right out of the donald playbook. Make the story bigger than it is and reap the benefits. I would think a donald fancier would appreciate it.

After all, the only thing with more glitter, gold and self aggrandizement is the donald himself. At least these people know that they are dealing in fantasy.

[longtime lurker]

I am suspicious of a Russian fix.

 

That is a classic one. Ha ha!

 

Yet I think it was done deliberately. They were all roasting the president ferociously all night (except Meryl who pretty much kept her mouth shut when presenting an earlier award), even with Kimmel putting up his twitter account on a large screen. Oh... he is going to be pissed! Yet a mix-up, deliberately planned, will at least distract SOME of the focus.

[SizeQueen16]

Why did Beatty not say anything if he was reading the wrong card? Did Faye Dunway not see the wrong info on the card? When did they switch the cards to the one with Moonlight because I never saw Beatty switch envelopes with anyone

[Scott Virginian]

Why did Beatty not say anything if he was reading the wrong card? Did Faye Dunway not see the wrong info on the card? When did they switch the cards to the one with Moonlight because I never saw Beatty switch envelopes with anyone

 

Or better: Why couldn't the November election have ended like that? (Whistful sigh...)

[Kippy]

Actually. the November election did end like that...the winner is Hillary-- no wait-- Donald Trump!

 

Still smiling,

 

Kipp

[+ Lance_Navarro]

I coincidentally posted this on Facebook yesterday morning.

 

"I made the mistake of watching Moonlight last night, now I am going to be SOOOO pissed if it doesn't win Best Film tonight. Sorry LaLa Land, you have NOTHING on this epic work of art."

[mike carey]

@Lance_Navarro, I'll take that as a recommendation to see Moonlight.

[+ Lance_Navarro]

@Lance_Navarro, I'll take that as a recommendation to see Moonlight.

Absolutely! It's incredible

[marylander1940]

if this happens in Russia, Spain, Brazil, Italy, Poland, France, Argentina, Mexico, etc. we would say: "well, what can you expect from those countries!".

 

Only America and Americans (white Americans of course) can get away with doing something so stupid and not get a bad reputation.

 

We're Teflon country!

[Bearofdistinction]

I am suspicious of a Russian fix.

Im suspicious that Steve Harvey may be a Russian spy!

[+ quoththeraven]

My Twitter mates are having a discussion of how calling the La La Land producer who realized and announced that the wrong movie had been named because the presenter was given the results for a different category in which the winner was an actor from La La Land "heroic" is itself an acknowledgement of lower standards for whites. Not to acknowledge the mistake is called theft, fraud and dishonesty.

 

It is also an indictment of so-called "niceness," which is the card host Jimmy Kimmel played by suggesting they both won. All of this was enabled by La La Land's frontrunner status, which made its win something not to be examined, and the artistic differences between the films. La La Land may be more widely enjoyable, though the fake happy ending enraged a lot of my Twitter mates, but Moonlight was a more artistically challenging film telling a story that had not been told on the big screen much if at all before.

[Kippy]

Jimmy Kimmel...no?

[nynakedtop]

(Just moved from other forum, apologies for my dizziness!)

 

What was most disgusting about the Best Picture fuckup is:

 

1. That I don't understand how it took them so long to catch the problem, since there has to be someone there with audit level authority who knows who the winners are and has a list, just in case.

 

2. That Jimmy Kimmel's pathetic ass was still joking around after the mistake had been discovered, instead of apologizing profusely and shutting the fuck up.

 

3. That neither Warren Beatty nor Faye Dunaway gave a genuine apology for their combined fuckup, instead making excuses for their white mediocrity.

 

4. That much of the thunder and air was taken out of the celebration of Moonlight's win because so many people turned off their TVs or changed the channel once they thought that La La Land won.

 

5. That there was a privileged nonchalantness by the La La Land people, saying without much emotion after being notified about the mistake, "By the way, we lost."

 

Someone with some authority needed to jump on that stage, snatch the damn microphone, make an unreserved apology, and then get the rest of those clowns out of the way so that the Moonlight people could properly bask in their glory.

[+ poolboy48220]

Wow, the first time I miss the Oscars in years, and this happens.

 

Why was there even a 'Best Picture' envelope around with "La La Land"'s name in it? You'd think there'd be ONE best picture envelope, and they'd put the winner in it.

[escortrod]

Wow, the first time I miss the Oscars in years, and this happens.

 

Why was there even a 'Best Picture' envelope around with "La La Land"'s name in it? You'd think there'd be ONE best picture envelope, and they'd put the winner in it.

There wasn't, the best leading actress envelope was given to Beatty, which is why he paused and didn't read out a winner.

[TruthBTold]

I thought Warren Beatty did make a sensible explanation about what happened and if you re-watch the sequence of events you see that he is genuinely confused when he first opens the envelope. Why Faye Dunaway did not catch it I am not sure. Maybe she just read disregarded everything that was on card except the name. Dumber things have surely happened. Particularly if it had been worked out that he was going to read the winner and so she was not expecting to have to read everything.

 

I think that everything that needed to be said was said. The La La Land reps made some heart felt speeches that could have applied to both movies so that perhaps the Moonlight winners felt they would merely be repeating the things that mattered (i.e., everyone needs to have compassion and empathy toward one another if we are going to make it and we have to understand and help those whose lives may not be as easy as ours.) So the Moonlighters kept their speeches to a minimum knowing the important thing had happened. They got the trophy for Best Picture. That could not be taken from them.

 

Finally, imagine the embarrassment that Kimmel felt at that moment, even though he really had no control over handing out of the awards. I think we can cut him a little slack in trying to figure out how to end the show. Generally it had been a good show considering the mediocre material he had to work with, starting with the song selections.

[body2body]

Wow, the first time I miss the Oscars in years, and this happens.

 

Why was there even a 'Best Picture' envelope around with "La La Land"'s name in it? You'd think there'd be ONE best picture envelope, and they'd put the winner in it.

My understanding is that the envelope given to the presenters was the Best Actress card it said "Emma Stone- La La Land". Emma Stone in the Press Room said she had the "Best Actress" card in her hands along with her statuette. So why were there two " Best Actress" cards? Price Waterhouse Cooper advertises that they are the firm "trusted with the Academy Awards". Maybe not for long.

[longtime lurker]

Oh I dunno. Both movies will do big business in theaters and DVD. La La Land got plenty of Oscars without the top prize anyway. It is a win-win for the companies backing each. It also had everybody talking the next day more than earlier awards ceremonies.

[+ nycman]

So why were there two " Best Actress" cards?

 

My understanding is that there are TWO stacks of envelopes. One stage left and one stage right.

So they can hand the appropriate card to the person going on stage regardless of which side they

make their entrance. I'm sure there have been fuck ups before with the presenter entering from

the wrong side and thus unable to be handed the correct card during their entrance. I'm sure

this "fix" had become a long standing tradition...that has now bitten them in the ass.

[bostonman]

My understanding is that the envelope given to the presenters was the Best Actress card it said "Emma Stone- La La Land". Emma Stone in the Press Room said she had the "Best Actress" card in her hands along with her statuette. So why were there two " Best Actress" cards?

 

Here's something I really really really really do not, under any circumstances, understand at all.

 

WHY ISN'T THE TITLE OF THE AWARD PRINTED ON THE CARD??

If the card had said "Best Actress - Emma Stone - La La Land," it might have gone a long way to clarifying that it was the wrong card altogether. Obviously Warren WAS confused because Stone's name was there. But had the name of the specific award been there as well, it certainly would have helped. In THAT case, he might have stopped and announced that he clearly had the wrong card.