What I feel!!!!

[Vincent_Michael]

I am so upset right now and I don’t even know were to begin!

 

I am tired of people who are two faced manipulators and yet seem just so pleasant and nice to all face to face! What am I talking about?

I am talking about something of my personal life and something’s that deal with escorting…Let me explain.

 

It has been my observation time and time again that there is a double standard going on with the Client Escort relationship, I am referring to a slew of things but I am going to touch on two points here.

 

1) I find that Escorts who cancel there appointments for whatever reason…no matter how good it is often pay for it dearly with bad reviews and slander on the MC yet has it occurred to anyone that Clients do the same to the escorts? Now let me pause here and say I have not been canceled on often so most clients in my eyes are awesome for sticking to there end of the deal. However I was canceled with very short notice as of late and it has gotten me thinking. Why is it clients expect nothing to come up from the escorts end and yet if something comes up for there end then we should understand…yet they from what I see have no regard for the escort and understanding that this is a business for him.

 

2) I am very tired of the people who are always negative…Now I know there just voicing how they feel as well but what kills me is this. I am sure they whoever these negative people are seem to be the nicest person in real life if you were to talk to them yet on here they turn into a Bitch to no end. I have not been chastised much on here but I see it time and time again from a few people. I just can’t stand two faced people.

 

I know I might be slammed for this and taken to the shed but I have to vent how I feel guys and right now how I feel is just not good.

[Rick Munroe]

Vincent, we all have clients flake or cancel from time to time; it's just the nature of the business. I know you're frustrated but sometimes you just have to suck it up and move on.

 

>Why is it

>clients expect nothing to

>come up from the escorts end

 

Maybe they expect the cum to happen on the other side.

[happyguy2]

Dear Vincent,

 

Have you ever thought that the very reason this type of person is getting to you is because of the genuine, kind, thoughtful, REAL peson you are????

 

Each of us, whether client or escort, (I being a client) get shit on regularly... in so many different fields of life.... and, at the base of it all, we end up feeling like you do right now.

 

The important thing is that you don't let them turn you into them....

remain as you are, someone who is worth infinitely more than all that.

You care. You have a heart. I have followed your posts. You are one in a million. But there are lots of people like you on both sides of the fence.

 

In my work, I face rejection and mean-spiritedness all the time. I always try to rise above it. And, even though it may not appear to be paying off at the time, trust me, eventually it does.

 

Some people say "nice guys finish last" well, sometimes that may be true. But, know what? Being last might be just the place where things will turn around, and you will discover there, just how wonderful a person you really are.

 

Hang in there, my friend, and, for what it is worth, you have made me feel wonderful, just from posting, many, many times.

 

sincerely

 

hg

[+ deej]

>sometimes you just have to suck it

 

Ummm ... errr ....

 

Never mind.

 

Sometimes it helps just to vent, too. That's one reason we have the private moderators forum. :+

[bigpeteratlanta]

You're too young to have feelings.

[BigK]

>You're too young to have feelings.

 

 

WHAT! Are you serious. Vincent is one of the most expressive people about feelings on this board.

 

Keep it up Vincent. It's reassuring and informative to those of us who have trouble expressing and experiencing their own feelings. :-)

[Guest arbee]

Michael,

 

Any time one deals with other people, one may experience unhappiness or disappointment. It's just a sad but true part of life. Things don't always go as planned.

 

OK, OK, enough platitudes. The bottom line is... as far as I can tell from my reading here... their cancellation and not being able to just *meet* you (let alone all the fun they might have had)... well, it's their loss. Repeat: THEIR LOSS.

 

You impress me as a sweet, kind, gentle, genuine guy. Resist becoming a cynic... that's a job for "old farts" like me.

[Vincent_Michael]

Rick I understand the old saying bite the bullet but that is not what this post was about…I am over the fact that I was the subject of a flake what I am upset about is the inherent double standard for the escort client relationship.

[Vincent_Michael]

I understand that this post is a scream of emotions and I am known for that type of thing but honestly this is something I wanted to talk about for a long time.

[Vincent_Michael]

I am more upset about being dumped on Sunday…LOL however I think what is really getting to me was not that someone dumped me or canceled on me it was me understanding that there was a double standard from when escorts cancel on clients to when clients cancel on escorts. On a side note I am tired of all the negative personas that sink this MC down…But what gets me about them being so negative is that they strike me as the type of person to be nice to your face and then say something negative after the fact.

[OneFinger]

>I am tired of people who are two faced manipulators...

 

If I had a second face I'm sure it would be an improvement over the one I've got. :+

 

Have you considered that maybe they really aren't two-faced? It might just be their other personality.

 

In all seriousness, you make a good point about the expectations of the client and the "standards" they place upon escorts. Not really sure what can be done about inconsiderate clients but I can certainly understand your frustration.

 

So, when are you making a trip to Utah? Would love to meet you in person and discuss this in person. :9

[Flower]

>You're too young to have feelings.

 

and you're too stupid to post.:+

[Boston Guy]

Vincent,

 

To compare and escort and a client to, for example, two guys who are on a date or are in a relationship may not be the best metaphor. Instead, I think it's much more akin to a professional and one or his or her clients at a social function.

 

If you expect escorts and clients to play by exactly the same rules, you'll be disappointed, just like most professionals are when clients act flaky, make (sometimes unreasonable) demands, cancel at the last minute, etc. It's just part of being in business and dealing with human beings. People often expect that since they're paying for a service, they can write the rules. Sometimes, in fact, they can. It doesn't make it fun or nice, but it's often the way it is.

 

The best philosophy, by far, is to not sweat the little things and to remember that most things really ARE little things. Life is easier if you let it go.

 

BG

[Guest]

Well, first of all, two wrongs do not make a right. Cancelling at the last minute without an adequate explanation by either the client or the escort is extremely rude, no matter who does it. The fact that some clients (or fake clients) do it does not condone escorts doing it. Secondly, what I generally hear clients bitching about is not the fact that the appointment was cancelled, but rather about the extremely rude ways some escorts go about it. In other words, not only does the escort in question (not you, I'm sure) fail to call the client at the earliest opportunity, but often the escort doesn't even answer his own cellular phone, or even e-mail an apology days later.

Yes, car accidents will happen (quite often with escorts, if one can believe the responses one reads in the reviews). Whatever the reason, there is no excuse for the escort not having an appointment book with the client's contact information, and informing the client at the earliest opportunity that he will not be able to attend the appointment. To not contact the client quickly is very rude and inconsistent with good business practices.

After blowing off a client, some escorts add insult to injury by not only failing to apologize, but sometimes even by not responding to their e-mail. That being said, I'm sure that there are plenty of jerks who make appointments with escorts, only to leave the escorts hanging. This type of behavior is just as unacceptable.

[Rick Munroe]

>what I am upset about is the inherent

>double standard for the escort client relationship.

 

I know; it used to bother me that we have a "No Show Escorts" section here, when the reality is that clients cancel or don't show up more often than the other way around (actually, it just happened to Derek and me last night). Like you, we've never flaked on anyone, but like I said, we just have to accept that this is the way it is. After all, this is not a site where clients are reviewed.

[Guest Fruit]

Sorry to hear you feel that way but there is no double standard for clients here. Clients cancel on escorts all the time, it is simply part of the business you're in.

 

Have you ever made a reservation at an eatery, hotel, airline and cancelled it? I would think most people need to answer yes.

 

There is a no show section for escorts on this site but that doesn't mean that HooBoy has set a double standard. If that were the case then why do escorts (even no shows) have the last word?

 

After all the banner at the top of my page says M4M Escort Reviews not "Client Reviews"

[Guest zipperzone]

>I know I might be slammed for this and taken to the shed but I

>have to vent how I feel guys and right now how I feel is just

>not good.

 

 

I bet over 90% of the guys who read your post would love to "take you to the shed", but for reasons other than what you implied.

 

Come to think of it a little dicipline session could be fun too!

 

Which reason would you prefer?

[Vincent_Michael]

Let me say your right it is not fair to use the same rules with a client as to be used with a escort however if I am to fly to see a client and he cancels on me he losses out on a e-ticket and that would cost him a few hundred…Now if on the flip side a client were to fly to see me and he cancels on me at the last min there is no consequence for him.

 

Now in all honesty I know there is no way to actually make clients accountable like escorts but I just thought it was something worth noting.

[Vincent_Michael]

I don’t condone escorts flaking out on anyone or canceling on anyone…I have had to cancel at times and am always willing to compensate the client for lost airfare. However you have to imagine that the client does not feel obligated to pay something of lost airfare to the escort if he has to cancel. Now I know at this point I am taking the devils advocate but I do feel this is worth arguing over.

 

Though you make a sound argument that is an insult that either the escort or client could do this to a person.

[Vincent_Michael]

Fruit you take everything out of context here…First off if you cancel on a hotel it is not that big of a deal as they are a legitimate corporation and can make up for sufficient loss by many other ways. If I have a cancellation at the last min IE: weekend then it can be hard to make up at the flick of a switch.

 

I never state that there is anything wrong with HooBoy’s web site I just said there is a double standard and that is it.

[Vincent_Michael]

hmmmm me bent over the shed? I might like this hmmmmm

[JT Brooklyn]

>

>If you expect escorts and clients to play by exactly the same

>rules, you'll be disappointed, just like most professionals

>are when clients act flaky, make (sometimes unreasonable)

>demands, cancel at the last minute, etc. It's just part of

>being in business and dealing with human beings. People often

>expect that since they're paying for a service, they can write

>the rules. Sometimes, in fact, they can. It doesn't make it

>fun or nice, but it's often the way it is.

>and to remember that most things really ARE little things.

>Life is easier if you let it go.

>

>BG "BGuy" says it the best.I am sure any of the guys Escorting for any amount of time would agree! It does sometimes "Unfortunately" go down to "It's the clients Dime" :+ :+ :+

[Guest baba]

Vincent.

 

Believe me, I understand your frustration. As a massage therapist there are many times when I sit here waiting for a client who never shows. It's bothersome when they do cancel at the last minute - even more frustrating when they just don't show up. Especially if I've turned down another client for that same time slot.

 

Unfortunately, that's the nature of being in a service business. Often some very nice people expect you to be there for them any hour of the day - but then don't recognize a responsibility back to you. To theorize, I'd say it has to do with a prevelant, me/self-centered thought process of our society.

 

In my experience, the only way to combat this is within my own attitude. Ranting and raving makes me feel better, but doesn't change the situation. I have to place a higher value on my time and attract people who respect that value.

 

I appreciate your posting this subject on the board. It's a good topic for discussion.

 

And as others have said, we do value you and your time. One of these days...........

[+ Charlie]

It seems to me that at one time Hooboy tried to address this inequity with a locked forum that was available only to escorts, to discuss problem clients. Apparently it didn't work, so I don't know how else to deal with it on this site.

[augustman]

I can only emplathize VM and other quality service providers. It is easy for clients to trash a reputation without much recourse to the client. Do not wish to quote the Bible here but the question of the client who has never wronged a provider (cancel at last minute, no show, bad breath, not properly cleaned out, etc.) toss the first stone. However to clients who think their actions of cancellation and no show do not have consequences we should not complain about the fees since providers have to account for the cancellations and no shows in their payback. Sort of like shop lifting at a store. We the consumers do pay for it in the end.

 

I have tried to follow the notion of being an escort friendly client. Which does include cancelling if you are ill so as not to pass along the germs but there is a timeframe clients should follow. And as has been mentioned on here numerous times communication is the key to a good connection.

 

VM do not lament to long there are quality clients out there and I hope I can continue to be one.