Are bad escorts the reason for the season?

[Mocha]

By season I mean one where I feel like advertising and being an Escort is more like fighting an army or being a babysitter for the emotionally immature, than actually making any sort of profit.

 

I'm just like Jesus Christ, this is not right. This is not how things are supposed to be. The cancels and flakes have become persistent and relentless to the point where I've had to tell several people that they will become a nationally blacklisted John and forward the website to them. And its very easy because some do things like volunteer their photos to me or make it easy for me to find out who they are.

 

It's like I'm doing everything right. I'm polite enough, professional. But just as they make it out like they're on for the show, they'll bullshit about something coming up and say "let's do it tomorrow". And then flake AGAIN when I follow up the next day. I have a whole list of people who I need to Blacklist.

 

Then, they want to get mad and act as if they never made an appointment with me when I threaten to blacklist their fuck ass. So giving out the address to their hotel is not making an appointment? Asking for the gallery passcode to my pics, then saying you'll be over at 8 isn't making an appointment?

 

These shenanigans are working my last nerve. This is not even funny anymore. This has become serious. Talking to a regular client of mine, he told me his last 3 escort encounters he was ripped off and saying that he would stop using escorts all together. He put out the idea that perhaps these such experiences are what's causing business for some of us to be affected.

 

I'm just like, that's understandable but why take it out on me? Plus it's rather easy to tell the difference between the flakes and someone like myself. But one after the next...no show, no show, no show, no show, no show, no show, no show, no show. It's like a game for people. I had to be clear in my ad and demand respect otherwise they will be blacklisted. I'm charging fees for excessive texting now (Scanning my phone, the average text exchange with these fools can last from 1-2 hours, even with only a few short messages. Fools who have 0 intention of booking my services), fees for cancelling and changing the same day, and blacklisting those who don't comply. My phone is full of texts but where is the money to show for it? The real question being why do I keep texting for free and not getting paid for it?

 

Someone can say this is going to be bad for business...but being nice and normal stopped working long time ago. I have to let them know how serious I really am. I have no choice. They've forced my hand. There are some real malicious and devilish people out there full of envy jealous and hate for sex workers who have no respect for my time or business. And I refuse to keep allowing this behavior to continue. I can sit and blacklist 2-3 times a day. Time out for the games.

 

Any other escorts feeling the same? I'm hoping the plague isn't just ethnic exclusive.

[TopTierTop]

Escorting is not for everyone.... It comes with big risk (no shows) but big reward (big $ in short period of time. No-shows are just apart of this business and it will never go away. As many people don't see escorts as real people, so they play games on them. @Mocha perhaps asking clients for half the money upfront, or asking them to pick u an uber, that will increase the probability of them being serious, but you may potentially scare some clients away as well, but nothing is 100 percent until you meet in person.

 

Also say you have 1-2 hour text conversations, please decrease that. Just have a few sentence exchanges such as what their into, how long, the time, and place and thats it! and then an hour before your supposed to meet them call them and if they don't pick up or call back move on. Keep it short so that if they no-show then you didnt feel like you lose much.

 

Your just going to keep your head and not let it make you upset because its just going to keep happen in this business. It happens to all escorts from the newbie escort to the most known escorts, don't take it personally, just keep hustling papi

Agreed. Though I do have extended conversation by text regularly with potential clients to the extent that I have the time. I really don't feel bad if it doesn't go anywhere. I see it all as relationship building. Leaving a good impression is never a waste of time. It is part of the business I chose to be in.

[+ José Soplanucas]

It is hard to get on the other side's shoes, and imagine how it is to be let down and played by fake clients. I can only give my 2 cts from the client's side.

I'm a 1 to 2 hours client, I do not play games, I cannot hire as often as I would like but when I hire I honor my deals. If an escort I like, even if I like him a lot, if he asks me for money in advance, or expects me to pay for our communications, or comes up with any conditions out of the standard ones, I just move on to the next. He would not get my business.

[Mocha]

Escorting is not for everyone.... It comes with big risk (no shows) but big reward (big $ in short period of time. No-shows are just apart of this business and it will never go away. As many people don't see escorts as real people, so they play games on them. @Mocha perhaps asking clients for half the money upfront, or asking them to pick u an uber, that will increase the probability of them being serious, but you may potentially scare some clients away as well, but nothing is 100 percent until you meet in person.

 

Also say you have 1-2 hour text conversations, please decrease that. Just have a few sentence exchanges such as what their into, how long, the time, and place and thats it! and then an hour before your supposed to meet them call them and if they don't pick up or call back move on. Keep it short so that if they no-show then you didnt feel like you lose much.

 

Your just going to keep your head up and not let it make you upset because its just going to keep happen in this business. It happens to all escorts from the newbie escort to the most known escorts, don't take it personally, just keep hustling papi

 

I'm trying I'm trying nene...

 

Even trying to keep the conversations simple it still goes on to an hour or 2. I ask my 3 questions and from there and get to the directions. First things I ask is where they seen my ad, host or travel, and what they are coming for. It's them who want to poke around, and hem and haw which then increases the amount of time and next thing I know, a whole hour has passed. It's okay if they're serious but they aren't even showing up, or giving my address info when they don't even have time to meet.

 

I also admit I'm not in the best of markets as there is no real consistent escorts in the area but this stuff has been going on nationally over and it never got this bad before.

[Mocha]

Agreed. Though I do have extended conversation by text regularly with potential clients to the extent that I have the time. I really don't feel bad if it doesn't go anywhere. I see it all as relationship building. Leaving a good impression is never a waste of time. It is part of the business I chose to be in.

 

That sounds great, if the feeling was mutual. But I don't feel I'm building a relationship with these Jack offs. Because these people are making plans and then going radio silent and not following up. Then, THEN...when I put the pressure on them it comes to light that they didn't really have any intent on building anything.

 

What really set me off was the last 2 experiences the last 2 days in a row. One guy wasted an hour out of my thanksgiving texting me. I had a window of free time I would of seen him right then, and he flaked that night and again the next night.

 

The other guy wasted 2 hours out of my Black Friday, having me send him my profile and gallery pic info, calling me twice...then talking loudly over me acting as he couldn't hear when I was talking to him. Then flaked. Then flaked again today. And with him...I was able to pull up his employment resume online. So I'm going to roast him like a stuck pig...

[Mocha]

I do too, but in Mochas case he was saying he was getting consecutive no shows, hence why i thought it would just be better for him to keep it short and sweet I mean 1-2 hours is still too long to be texting a potential client. Don't get me wrong I love to engage in a few back and forth flirty responses before meeting However most clients when they message me we engage in a 5-10 minute of just the basics (time,into, location) then an hour before meeting I text are we still on or not... with some flirting and sexting in the middle I would prefer to speak the language of love-making in person instead though

 

I did that too. The sexy flirty talk. Pics and all that.

 

The reason why I say ethnic exclusive is because most of this behavior is being committed by non other than white guys (though who generally make up most of the clientele anyway). I'm not sure if there's just some repressed or overly fanaticized whatever going on or what. They talk shit but ain't about shit.

[Mocha]

Mocha just some advice if a guy you haven't met flakes the first time, he's most likely going to do it again, don't give them another chance if they flaked the first time.

 

I know, but they are so cunning. Even if they say, "let's do it tomorrow?"

 

What would you say to that in the above situations? Me personally, if they book the same day and cancel the same day they need to include the cancel fee. And I've gotten it too. One guy gave me $300 for cancelling on me. Then came right back a few weeks later. And if they want to fuss and fight and not pay, send em to blacklist?

 

One guy wanted to accuse me of retaliating, and wanted to throw in the business sense speech. I'm said, you dummy, you contacted me. I'm not paying $40 for an ad to get his bullshit advice on business sense. He gave me an address, then flaked moments later. Of course he's going to end up on blacklisted johns.

[down_to_business]

Look at that other thread... apparently people think it's perfectly acceptable to cancel 4 hours out from an appointment. If no side feels they need to honor commitments.. as someone else put it .. something like it's just sex..nothing of importance or consequence.. I can see why there is a big problem. I don't see any way of fixing that if that is the true prevailing attitude.

[marylander1940]

By season I mean one where I feel like advertising and being an Escort is more like fighting an army or being a babysitter for the emotionally immature, than actually making any sort of profit.

 

I'm just like Jesus Christ, this is not right. This is not how things are supposed to be. The cancels and flakes have become persistent and relentless to the point where I've had to tell several people that they will become a nationally blacklisted John and forward the website to them. And its very easy because some do things like volunteer their photos to me or make it easy for me to find out who they are.

 

It's like I'm doing everything right. I'm polite enough, professional, try to get them a time...and then usually almost always....they say they can't make it the same day they contact me and say "let's do it tomorrow". And then flake AGAIN when I follow up the next day. I have a whole list of people who I need to Blacklist.

 

Then, they want to get mad and act as if they never made an appointment with me when I threaten to blacklist their fuck ass. So giving out the address to their hotel is not making an appointment? Asking for the gallery passcode to my pics, then saying you'll be over at 8 isn't making an appointment?

 

These shenanigans are working my last nerve. This is not even funny anymore. This is gotten serious. Talking to a regular client of mine, he told me his last 3 escort encounters he was ripped off and saying that he would stop using them all together. He put out the idea that perhaps these such experiences are what's causing business for some of us to be affected.

 

I'm just like, that's find but why take it out on me? I haven't done anything wrong, and one after the next...no show, no show, no show, no show, no show, no show, no show, no show. It's like a game for people. I had to be clear in my ad and demand respect otherwise they will be blacklisted. I'm charging fees for texting now (Scanning my phone, the average text exchange with these fools lasts from 1-2 hours, even with only a few short messages. Fools who have 0 intention of booking my services), fees for cancelling and changing the same day, and blacklisting those who don't comply. My phone is full of texts but where is the money to show for it? The real question being why do I keep texting for free and not getting paid for it?

 

Someone can say this is going to be bad for business...but being nice and normal stopped working long time ago. I have to let them know how serious I really am. I have no choice. They've forced my hand. There are some real malicious and devilish people out there full of envy jealous and hate for sex workers who have no respect for my time or business. And I refuse to keep allowing this behavior to continue. I can sit and blacklist 2-3 times a day. Time out for the games.

 

Any other escorts feeling the same? I'm hoping the plague isn't just ethnic exclusive.

 

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[TopTierTop]

was able to pull up his employment resume online. So I'm going to roast him like a stuck pig...

 

That is a big mistake and so WRONG! Whatever he might have done, you are doing worse and giving a bad name to escorts. Who is going to hire you if they know that if anything goes wrong in your eyes, you can't be trusted? Regardless of what this guy may or may not deserve, you have just announced that you are a risky guy to hire. And are negatively impacting the escort business is general by creating suspicion and fear when the vast majority of us can be trusted. I hope you reconsider working in this field.

[TopTierTop]

I do too, but in Mochas case he was saying he was getting consecutive no shows, hence why i thought it would just be better for him to keep it short and sweet I mean 1-2 hours is still too long to be texting a potential client. Don't get me wrong I love to engage in a few back and forth flirty responses before meeting However most clients when they message me we engage in a 5-10 minute of just the basics (time,into, location) then an hour before meeting I text are we still on or not... with some flirting and sexting in the middle I would prefer to speak the language of love-making in person instead though

I am with you. But Mocha is BAD NEWS! Did you see that he is invading clients' privacy? That is something you should never do, much less threaten! I am appalled by it. I hope he will find another business instead of creating a bad name for this one.

[MikeBiDude]

I am with you. But Mocha is BAD NEWS! Did you see that he is invading clients' privacy? That is something you should never do, much less threaten! I am appalled by it. I hope he will find another business instead of creating a bad name for this one.

Rico....ignore @Mocha if you care at all about being a successful escort (or content human being). He is eternally negative, and a couple weeks ago he said he was "done, never coming back" to our forum.

 

We cheered briefly. But here he is...

[jimboivyo]

why does this strike me as another kanye style rant?

[TopTierTop]

Rico....ignore @Mocha if you care at all about being a successful escort (or content human being). He is eternally negative, and a couple weeks ago he said he was "done, never coming back" to our forum.

 

We cheered briefly. But here he is...

Thanks for the heads up! I was just so appalled by his comment. I have been a successful escort for more than a year and I have never felt bitter like him. I am thinking it is because I have been making good money at this, so I don't let a few bad experiences bother me.

[jjkrkwood]

Thanks for the heads up! I was just so appalled by his comment. I have been a successful escort for more than a year and I have never felt bitter like him. I am thinking it is because I have been making good money at this, so I don't let a few bad experiences bother me.

 

 

You are new here, but you are quite intuitive and savvy for catching the Mocha drift early on.... I am starting to think his rants are just made up for attention, and I cant believe a single word he says. Noone can be that vengeful and vindictive to clients and colleagues. As others have said, best to steer clear of him.

[bigvalboy]

[DonaldTramp]

I don't blame Mocha for be pissed & frustrated if he has had one cancelation after another. Besides, I can't hate on a guy that travels with his dog as I do the same & that can be challenging.

[MikeBiDude]

I don't blame Mocha for be pissed & frustrated if he has had one cancelation after another. Besides, I can't hate on a guy that travels with his dog as I do the same & that can be challenging.

What does traveling with a dog have to do with @Mocha 's obvious disdain for his clients and his industry?

[+ glennnn]

I'm a client, who couldn't stand the stress and uncertainty of the escort profession, so I am filled with admiration and gratitude for you all. I have had 10 appointments now and have not been late to or cancelled one. I couldn't willingly do that to someone. I don't think I'm special or unusual. I'm just a principled, white guy, human being. My sense is that most of my fellow clients are the same. We love men, and treasure our time with our escorts. 10 apppointments= full satisfaction= Zero drama. Trust us as we trust you, Accentuate the positive and eliminate the negative. We are fine!

[BaronArtz]

Accentuate the positive and eliminate the negative. We are fine!

 

That is exactly right! It is all about having a positive mindset. I work in sales. In high pressure sales. I am quite good at it. But before every sales meeting I need to absolutely get myself into a positive mindset. Regardless of what goes on in my personal life. Regardless of how bad the previous meeting was. The clients do immediately pick up on that. With a negative mindset - no sale!

 

I would say that being an escort is similar. You are selling - your time. It wouldn't surprise me a bit that in the case of Mocha-dearest, potential clients pick up on the negativity and cancel. Or worse, they may do some research on what he writes here on this forum and recoil in horror. I most definitely would ...

[BaronArtz]

And with him...I was able to pull up his employment resume online. So I'm going to roast him like a stuck pig...

 

Only one word to describe this - DESPICABLE

 

Do you sometimes think about your reputation? How many people, do you think, would contact you now that you posted something like that on a public forum? As others have said - you have no business being in this business. Get out.

[Mocha]

You are new here, but you are quite intuitive and savvy for catching the Mocha drift early on.... I am starting to think his rants are just made up for attention, and I cant believe a single word he says. Noone can be that vengeful and vindictive to clients and colleagues. As others have said, best to steer clear of him.

 

True story: One of my clients thought Donald Trump was just running for attention. And look what happened...

[Mocha]

Only one word to describe this - DESPICABLE

 

Do you sometimes think about your reputation? How many people, do you think, would contact you now that you posted something like that on a public forum? As others have said - you have no business being in this business. Get out.

 

Oh shut the fuck up. You get the fuck out. Nobody has posted anything public on here. You don't know the city, the state, the employer, the phone number, the country, the name, the date...It's something any sensible escort would do. It's called screening. And upon screening that's information that was public record and public available. An escort agency would do the same thing. If anything, he's a dummy for contacting and setting false appointments after asking for dick pictures and blowing up my goddamn phone with some strange escort on his personal number. He's lucky, there's escorts out there who would do far worse.

 

And stop making self-serving generalizations and presumptions. You don't know what these people's intentions are or the reasoning behind it. I done told y'all before about that.

[AdamSmith]

@Mocha, a lot of us here are self-employed, just like you. All of us have potential clients, and fake-pretend clients, who get their jollies from trying to abuse us, waste our time, and make us as miserable as they are. It's a universal occupational hazard.

 

If, after this many years in business, you still haven't figured out how to detect those clowns when they first engage you, and cut them off immediately, you're in the wrong business. You don't have the skills or the mindset to be an entrepreneur. You need to go get a nine-to-five, with a boss who tells you what to do and how to do it.

 

Or else you love being miserable and complaining more than you do working toward a normal, fulfilled, rewarding life.

[JamahlBrandon]

@Mocha, a lot of us here are self-employed, just like you. All of us have potential clients, and fake-pretend clients, who get their jollies from trying to abuse us, waste our time, and make us as miserable as they are. It's a universal occupational hazard.

 

If, after this many years of experience, you still haven't figured out how to set up and run your business in ways that let you detect those clowns when they first engage you, and cut them off immediately, you're in the wrong business. You don't have the skills or the mindset to be an entrepreneur. You need to go get a nine-to-five, with a boss who tells you what to do and exactly how to do it.

 

You love being miserable and complaining more than you do working toward a normal, fulfilled, rewarding life.

 

You could apply that to your own life rather than trying to dictate and tell someone how to go about their life. Is cutting someone down the best way to spend your golden years?

 

Let me ask you this: what job are you going to offer that person? Are you going to pay their bills while they make that transition? If not...before you so quick to tell someone how to live their life, make sure you can offer a viable alternative. Not a mean spirited cut down. I know it probably makes someone like you feel powerful cutting down a strong, independent sex worker who loves what they do. You can compare all the jobs you want, but unless you've walked in the boots of a sex worker, you can't make any comparison. You, in your small mind are trying to generalize it. We don't sell phones. Or mortgages. Or timeshares. You'll never know what it's like to sell and advertise this kind of business. And you wouldn't go into a normal job and tell an employee to go independent and sell sex because they have issues with their boss, would you?

 

That said, idk about anyone else's work history but i personally have held many jobs in the past. A boss is the last thing I'd want breathing down my neck.

 

Personally, my way of dealing with gamers and flakes is to put it quite clear in my ad what is to be expected and agreed to. I've noticed since I've done that, it's cut down on a lot over time. I also counter with @ Toptier, as screening is an integral part of safety and verifying. In the screening process, things may be publicly available. Doesn't mean someone goes knocking on doors and such but in the event an escort is in a compromising situation, all that info will be crucial. If you don't do it, I'd suggest it.