The Decline of (Ebony) Male Novelty In The U.S.?

[Mocha]

I mentioned this briefly in another thread. I mentioned I felt personally the novelty of ebony men, more specifically in the gay/escorts realm seems to be not where it used to be. Just looking around, even in the biggest cities, the Black escorts seem to have nearly phased out. I mean yeah, you can go on craigslist right now and guarantee within a few posts you'll read an advert about someone wanting BBC. Sure. But, those types tend to exclusively go after ebony types, and it's always the same guys. Yes, they are out there. I also know that in some places like DENVER, Black guys used to be commodities, but any halfway decent looking White guy of any age can step out and instantly find a Black guy who's willing to do all of the above..and for free. Then it's on to the next.

 

However, on a grand scale of things, I feel there seems to be a subtle feeling of redundancy. And I can almost pinpoint where that may have begun. For example, does anyone remember the magazine called Black Inches? If not, I left a couple sample covers below. I did a Wiki search, and the magazine existed from 1993 to 2009. Says it "folded" in 2009. That's a long time. However, I also did a look up on when Obama was elected, that happened to be 2009. So lets see: Obama elected/Black inches goes out of business. That can't just be a coincidence or a casualty to the internet is it?

 

I don't know, but when that magazine went out of business, that was when I was just getting my foot in the door in the business. 2009. Had they been going on a little bit longer or I had been around during that time. I would have definitely found my way on 1 of those pages.

 

Conspiracy theories welcome: What do you think may have caused the mag to go out of business, was that a precursor to others in the business? Perhaps, did the magazine seem a bit too...racy?

 

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[mattr]

I think porn magazines in general fell/are falling victim to the free porn on the internet. Being relatively knew to hiring I can't comment on the availability of black escorts but I will say that I am surprised at how few there seem to be. I guess tastes change over time and perhaps the pendulum has swung away from black men right now (in favor of latinos perhaps?), but I am sure it will swing back. Look at the increasing popularity of hirsute men when only a few years ago an escort had to be shaved clean from nose to toes unless he was catering to a small minority of clients. I know that I wouldn't mind spending some quality time with a tall, handsome, masculine, muscular black man. I am not interested in the "thug" type which seems to the prevalent type of black escort at the moment or someone with an 11" schlong. What do you do with something like that?

[Moondance]

...Does anyone remember the magazine called Black Inches? If not, I left a couple sample covers below. I did a Wiki search, and the magazine existed from 1993 to 2009. Says it "folded" in 2009. That's a long time. However, I also did a look up on when Obama was elected, that happened to be 2009. So lets see: Obama elected/Black inches goes out of business. That can't just be a coincidence or a casualty to the internet is it?...

I think porn magazines in general fell/are falling victim to the free porn on the internet.

If there's a bet to be taken here, put me down for all I've got that the election of President Obama had nothing to do with the demise of Black Inches.

 

Print media--all of it: newspapers, magazines (and not just porn magazines)--have been under tremendous pressure for years (starting well before 2009). Advances in technology have created ever-better options to get news, information, entertainment (and porn) in easier/more immediate/less expensive (and more discreet) ways. As a result, subscriptions and advertising revenue for print media went into a steep decline.

 

When that situation intersected with The Great Recession of 2008, it was the last gasp for many magazines and newspapers. Titles that had been around for years--decades, even--couldn't make a go of it anymore.

 

I'm sure those are the conditions that put an end to Black Inches (the magazine). As to black inches (the real deal), I have no idea why they would be any less popular. Speaking for myself, I can only echo what mattr said above:

 

I know that I wouldn't mind spending some quality time with a tall, handsome, masculine, muscular black man.

[Nvr2Thick]

I agree that the fall of magazines such as Black Inches (there was also a Latin Inches) is indicative of the rise in availability of porn on the Internet. There is still a market for black and interracial porn on the web. Surf Tumblr if you think that black men are not objectified in gay porn and erotica. There are dozens if not hundreds of Tumblr pages dedicated to images of black men.

 

I don't know that there really is a decline in the number of black escorts. In a city such as New York I believe that the ratio of black men to others is about the same on Rentmen today as it was in the Advocate Classifieds back in the '80s and '90s, and in the early days of Rentboy. I state this with some confidence because I was hiring specific ethnic types out of NY through 1996. Out of 585 ads in New York City there are 52 escorts identifying as black, and you might find more if you picked through the "Mixed" and "Other" categories. I'd say the same is true of the bigger cities. When I traveled to Dallas in the '90s there were maybe three black escorts I'd consider meeting, and now there are five or six on Rentmen. Fringe cities have always been hit or miss.

 

In southern cities I find that there are plenty of us white guys who look for black men, and there are also a lot of black men who exclusively hook up with white men.

[Mocha]

There is still a market for black and interracial porn on the web. Surf Tumblr if you think that black men are not objectified in gay porn and erotica. There are dozens if not hundreds of Tumblr pages dedicated to images of black men.

 

Which leads me to look up the defintion of novelty:

 

noun, plural novelties.

1. state or quality of being novel, new, or unique; newness:

the novelty of a new job.

 

In southern cities I find that there are plenty of us white guys who look for black men, and there are also a lot of black men who exclusively hook up with white men.

 

I agree, as I have seen. There's a big underground here of specific interracial fantasies. But it's different down here. In Nashville I'm noticing they either come on too strong, or they don't want anything to do with you at all. They either want to fuck you or say FUCK you. That's why open-minded people don't like the south. To me it's kinda weird out here. The interracial thing is here, but it's almost so native that there's no business for it.

 

It's like the client who seen me twice, but on the 3rd time...he comes by, gives me $300 in an envelope and says he can't do it because he's not gay. But yet...the time before he sucked and swallowed me and asked if I had a 3rd friend who could join.

 

Print media--all of it: newspapers, magazines (and not just porn magazines)--have been under tremendous pressure for years (starting well before 2009). Advances in technology have created ever-better options to get news, information, entertainment (and porn) in easier/more immediate/less expensive (and more discreet) ways. As a result, subscriptions and advertising revenue for print media went into a steep decline.

 

Damn. I would have just thought a magazine like that would have made it regardless. But at $7.99, I would atleast think just having a copy every month for guests and what not wouldn't be a bad investment. I'm looking now, my roommate has a stack of various bullshit magazines. Seems like the grocery store gossip and fitness mags are bullet proof

[jjkrkwood]

Sorry to disagree Mocha, but the demise of a publication is not any indication of a racial conspiracy. Magazine fold all the time, it is simply economics... My own observations are that men of color are always in high demand, perhaps because of the "myth" of the strong sexual prowess and extreme size of Black men ? By now, we all get your strong sense of "solidarity" but none-the-less, it escapes me WHY you always choose to look at everything in the negative ? It appears you feel persecuted in some way. You shouldn't... Noone is against you, unless you cause them to be. Yes, alot of people still carry prejudice and hatred,; that will never change no matter how progressive we claim to be. Today is Gay Pride in NYC... Try to see things in a positive light.

[Nvr2Thick]

Which leads me to look up the defintion of novelty:

 

noun, plural novelties.

1. state or quality of being novel, new, or unique; newness:

the novelty of a new job.

 

 

It seems like any assertion will support your theory. You suggested that there was a decline in available content due to the demise of Black Inches magazine in your original post. Now you're suggesting that the proliferation of content on the Internet is a factor in the same syndrome. The Internet is host to millions of porn sites. Every niche is well-served. My point was that objectification of black men is alive and well on the net. There's no real way to gauge whether the content is proportionately reasonable given that so much of it is pirated and shared. I'm sure that there is a lot more white on white gay porn out there and a hell of a lot more white on white straight porn, each more greatly represented by profound orders of magnitude.

 

I agree, as I have seen. There's a big underground here of specific interracial fantasies. But it's different down here. In Nashville I'm noticing they either come on too strong, or they don't want anything to do with you at all. They either want to fuck you or say FUCK you. That's why open-minded people don't like the south. To me it's kinda weird out here. The interracial thing is here, but it's almost so native that there's no business for it.

 

It's like the client who seen me twice, but on the 3rd time...he comes by, gives me $300 in an envelope and says he can't do it because he's not gay. But yet...the time before he sucked and swallowed me and asked if I had a 3rd friend who could join.

 

I was more comfortable hiring in NY because it was easier to be anonymous. Living in a small city I don't like to hire the local escorts because the gay scene is so incestuous. Everyone knows everyone. When I first moved here and started meeting guys there was always someone who would warn you about who was in the sex business and who was hiring. A guy I hung out with for a while reported that he had a neighbor who was a masseur who "gave handjobs", and every now and then this guy would tell me who he saw coming and going from the masseur's apartment. I quickly learned that I didn't want to hang out with such a gossip, and I didn't want to be a part of anyone's gossip.

 

I've also very rarely pursued regular escorts. Every client is different, but I think that there are a lot of us out there who really like to play the field. Having been so repressed for so long one of the reasons I hired escorts was to sample the infinite variety of men.

 

I think one of the problems you'll always have is that you're slightly outside the niche. While I'm sure you could play the part, you don't necessarily fit the stereotype a lot of guys look for in a black escort. You've got a great body, but often clients are looking for much more bulk. You have a mixed-race appearance, and you play to that. You'd also be surprised at how many bottoms will write off skilled tops because of the slightest hint of versatility. If I'm shopping for a ambiguously straight built hung black top man, I may not be interested in a gay masculine versatile hung ripped Moroccan. You might get a bit more interest if you marketed yourself as a black thug top, though I doubt you'd attract the type of clients looking for repeats or a regular.

[+ sync]

In the era around 2009 many magazines bit the dust. Following are some from Advertising Age's December 2009 listing:

 

ADVERTISING AGE

 

The Last Page

 

A Guide to Magazines That Have Ceased Publication

 

By Nat Ives. Published on December 15, 2009.

 

National Geographic Adventure/National Geographic

Spring 1999 - December/January 2009/2010

 

Metropolitan Home/Hachette Filipacchi

1981 - December 2009

 

Gourmet/Conde Nast

1941 - November 2009

 

Southern Accents/Time Inc.

1977 - September/October 2009

 

Vibe/Wicks Group

1992 - June 2009

 

Nickelodeon/Viacom

June 1993 - December 2009

 

Portfolio/Conde Nast Publications

May, 2007 - April 2009

 

Blender/Alpha Media

2001 - April 2009

 

Best Life/Rodale

2004 - May 2009

 

Travel & Leisure Golf/American Express Publishing

March 1998 - March/April 2009

 

Hallmark Magazine/Hallmark Cards

September/October 2006 - February/March 2009

 

Teen/Hearst Magazines

1954 - Winter 2008

 

Country Home/Meredith Corp.

1986 - March 2009

 

PC Magazine / Ziff Davis

1982 - January 2009

 

SI Latino / Time Inc.

2005 - December 2008

 

Men's Vogue / Conde Nast

2005 - December 2008/January 2009

 

Playgirl / Blue Horizon Media

1973 - January/February 2009

 

Home / Hachette Filipacchi

1951 - October 2008

[Mocha]

Good find! that definitely settles it. I guess I was relating to how the Black sitcom also seem to have faded out as well, thus giving way to a sort of "universal" dynamic. But I like I and others mentioned, it's likely more likely a coincidence and trend than anything else.

 

In the era around 2009 many magazines bit the dust. Following are some from Advertising Age's December 2009 listing:

 

ADVERTISING AGE

 

The Last Page

 

A Guide to Magazines That Have Ceased Publication

 

By Nat Ives. Published on December 15, 2009.

 

National Geographic Adventure/National Geographic

Spring 1999 - December/January 2009/2010

 

Metropolitan Home/Hachette Filipacchi

1981 - December 2009

 

Gourmet/Conde Nast

1941 - November 2009

 

Southern Accents/Time Inc.

1977 - September/October 2009

 

Vibe/Wicks Group

1992 - June 2009

 

Nickelodeon/Viacom

June 1993 - December 2009

 

Portfolio/Conde Nast Publications

May, 2007 - April 2009

 

Blender/Alpha Media

2001 - April 2009

 

Best Life/Rodale

2004 - May 2009

 

Travel & Leisure Golf/American Express Publishing

March 1998 - March/April 2009

 

Hallmark Magazine/Hallmark Cards

September/October 2006 - February/March 2009

 

Teen/Hearst Magazines

1954 - Winter 2008

 

Country Home/Meredith Corp.

1986 - March 2009

 

PC Magazine / Ziff Davis

1982 - January 2009

 

SI Latino / Time Inc.

2005 - December 2008

 

Men's Vogue / Conde Nast

2005 - December 2008/January 2009

 

Playgirl / Blue Horizon Media

1973 - January/February 2009

 

Home / Hachette Filipacchi

1951 - October 2008

[Mocha]

Sorry to disagree Mocha, but the demise of a publication is not any indication of a racial conspiracy. Magazine fold all the time, it is simply economics... My own observations are that men of color are always in high demand, perhaps because of the "myth" of the strong sexual prowess and extreme size of Black men ? By now, we all get your strong sense of "solidarity" but none-the-less, it escapes me WHY you always choose to look at everything in the negative ? It appears you feel persecuted in some way. You shouldn't... Noone is against you, unless you cause them to be. Yes, alot of people still carry prejudice and hatred,; that will never change no matter how progressive we claim to be. Today is Gay Pride in NYC... Try to see things in a positive light.

 

I actually want you to disagree with me this time. So don't feel bad. That would indicate there is no decline and that it's just a media/print issue. By no means am I suggesting anything negatively or being persecuted. I have a inbox FILLED to the brim with replies from CL and adam for guys inquiring about the BBC. I was just talking about the big picture, not necessarily something I'm experiencing.

 

I think one of the problems you'll always have is that you're slightly outside the niche. While I'm sure you could play the part, you don't necessarily fit the stereotype a lot of guys look for in a black escort. You've got a great body, but often clients are looking for much more bulk. You have a mixed-race appearance, and you play to that. You'd also be surprised at how many bottoms will write off skilled tops because of the slightest hint of versatility. If I'm shopping for a ambiguously straight built hung black top man, I may not be interested in a gay masculine versatile hung ripped Moroccan. You might get a bit more interest if you marketed yourself as a black thug top, though I doubt you'd attract the type of clients looking for repeats or a regular.

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down. Black thug top? That is so 1990s marketing. Black men are rarely portrayed as the thug look anymore. Should I start name dropping? Idris Elba, Shemar Moore, Morris Chestnut, The Black guy with the blue eyes, the guy Black guy who hosted the Miss America show. Come on now. Most all of my most regular, regular charming clients are not looking for the thug persona. That doesn't look the part when meeting a client over dinner at a 4 star restaurant. Hell, I met my client's 30 year old SON in MY CLIENT'S driveway the other week. Imagine if I was looking thug instead of Rico Suave. I wouldn't of made it past the front gates without looking dubious. Not dissing the thug persona, but that isn't going to

 

Everything else, I can see where you're coming from. But some of what you're saying is misinformation. Clients are looking for much more bulk? I'm 205 pounds. 6'2. I rarely meet a client who is much bigger than I am. If you're talking about dick size/ girth, let's just say I've seen more blood and shit in my career to not really wish for anything much bigger. Blood is the worst, it just goes all over the place. I also don't get what you're saying about gay black toop versus versatile gay top? Are you saying one should advertise straight? Not knocking what you're looking for, but it would seem that a couple words makes all the difference?

 

Bottoms who would write off skilled tops who are versatile? I've heard of that. But that's just fantasy. Like the guy who doesn't want to get his dick sucked. We see it in porn all the time. The guy who looks like a top for the first 10 minutes ends up becoming a bottom slut the next minute. It's fine to play that fantasy out, as being the bottom with a straight guy who's never been fucked...but that's more of a fantasy than reality. I've fucked plenty of "tops".

[WolfRamNHard]

 

 

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Slow down. Black thug top? That is so 1990s marketing. Black men are rarely portrayed as the thug look anymore. Should I start name dropping? Idris Elba, Shemar Moore, Morris Chestnut, The Black guy with the blue eyes, the guy Black guy who hosted the Miss America show. Come on now. Most all of my most regular, regular charming clients are not looking for the thug persona. That doesn't look the part when meeting a client over dinner at a 4 star restaurant. Hell, I met my client's 30 year old SON in MY CLIENT'S driveway the other week. Imagine if I was looking thug instead of Rico Suave. I wouldn't of made it past the front gates without looking dubious. Not dissing the thug persona, but that isn't going to

 

 

Speaking of hot Black men in the media -

 

Idris Elba = HOT!

 

These days I have a crush on Cornelius Smith Jr (plays the character of Marcus Walker in Scandal)

 

I used to find Anthony Mackie very cute until I found out more about his political beliefs (Trump supporter).

[Mocha]

Speaking of hot Black men in the media -

 

Idris Elba = HOT!

 

These days I have a crush on Cornelius Smith Jr (plays the character of Marcus Walker in Scandal)

 

I used to find Anthony Mackie very cute until I found out more about his political beliefs (Trump supporter).

 

See...that's why I avoid politics. I couldn't post 1 thread here without getting bashed.

 

That said, I did a little experiment over the weekend. I posted ads in 3 small surrounding cities on 2 different websites (free sites, just because the responses are more prevalent). I got something like 40-50 responses in 2 days from guys in small towns begging for some BBC. Specifically speaking, mine. I had to create an auto-response letting them know I was for pay.

So yes, I take it back, there certainly isn't a decline. HOWEVER, I think if anything the demand for BBC is so high thanks to porn, that for some guys it's so much of a fantasy more than a reality, and trying to meet guys with the fantasy tends to be annoying because many are so secretive about it.

 

Of all the responses I received, nobody could host. And only 1 or 2 actually spoke of paying. The challenges of being such a high demand in fantasy, is you get guys out the woodwork. The White dads with kids who goes to church, wants to suck a BBC in the dark. That's cute and all, but when someone is saying to park 500 feet away, levitate 20 feet in the air and cum in thru a the chimney so the neighbors don't see...that kills the boner and makes everything feel real sketchy.

 

I'm supposed to be rock hard and ready, yet some of these guys want me to sneak thru dark back doors and gates and bushes and shit because they don't want their neighbors to associate them with having a Black guy over. Though, that doesn't always happen...one of my good regs parked me in his garage and his son came home and introduced me to him! I felt both honored and ashamed, especially with what happened just a few minutes earlier.

 

I'm learning there's 3 types of guys into Black guys: The guys who like Black guys, and the ones who just like their dicks. And the ones who like both. There's people they will like your dick, but dislike you for who you are. That's why they sell those gigantic 15" Black dildos. For people who can't bring themselves to actually meet the man behind it.

[WolfRamNHard]

I can only speak for myself. I have lots of types, some of them happen to be black. But I'm also really into blond otters, hairy pups, brown cubs, latin jocks etc. etc. Not only that, but the majority of the men I go for actually don't neatly fall into a Type. It's all about the individual for me- the combination of looks, body language, emotional intelligence etc. The race of the individual is not paramount.

 

Having said that, I don't mean to negate any of what you're saying. I hear you. I know what the gay community is like. I realize how men are objectified and typified, especially men of color. And then once they put you in a category, you're expected to conform to those stereotypes. I only wish I had a solution that could heal our society of this kind of simple-minded thinking.

 

BTW, I am turned off by anyone who's a Trump supporter regardless of race.

[+ Eric Hassan]

 

Conspiracy theories welcome: What do you think may have caused the mag to go out of business, was that a precursor to others in the business? Perhaps, did the magazine seem a bit too...racy?

 

 

Black Inches went out of publication in 2009 because ALL of the gay magazines published by Mavety Media Group (the publishers of Black Inches) went out of publication because they were no longer financially solvent. Print publications of all kinds have been forced to respond to a changing media and financial landscape. This isn't new, or unique, or unexpected, or even a little bit surprising.

[mike carey]

There you have it, from our official historian, @Eric Hassan! And yes, magazines folding anywhere, any time is not exactly a surprise!

[+ deej]

There you have it, from our official historian, @Eric Hassan! And yes, magazines folding anywhere, any time is not exactly a surprise!

 

Indeed. The only surprises in publishing, in general, are those that survive.

[Mocha]

I only wish I had a solution that could heal our society of this kind of simple-minded thinking.

 

BTW, I am turned off by anyone who's a Trump supporter regardless of race.

 

Thanks for your input on the matter.

 

What I can say is, it certainly doesn't help that America is an a perpetual state of police state race war. Especially considering the government police state were responsible for killing 100 Latin gays in Orlando (if anyone wants to know how, watch the movie "the purge, Election Day"). It's like a battle of polarity.

 

It's like on the one hand, I'm trying to sell an image of class, companionship, and fantasy. But on the other hand, people are seeing images of chaos, crime, and disenfranchisement.

 

All this stuff going on in the news is painting an image that Ebony men are only out to play the victim role. One of my roommates even had the gall to allude to such a thing. For no other reason than because I was miffed that someone contacted me from Grindr saying they seen me at a certain club the night before...but yet when they included a picture, it was FACELESS. Like why the fuck would someone say, "I seen you at such and such last night", but then obscure who they are? And my roommate had the nerve to say I was playing the victim? That's not playing the victim, that's questioning some trick ass bullshit. But, people seem to like to connect any qualm to a claim of victimization. Makes me fucking sick. Non of this language was around 5-10 years ago.

 

The government is screwing with people's minds big time. Its skewing our image, making Ebony men appear as the victimized antagonist rather than individuals. By government I mean all forms including media. That may not be the intended message, but it's a byproduct of the bigger picture.

[LADoug1]

Am I the only one who finds the BBC thing a bit stereotyped? I would hope that people with a preference for men of color are often attracted to other features not just the size of their penis.

[bimbosavant]

Am I the only one who finds the BBC thing a bit stereotyped? I would hope that people with a preference for men of color are often attracted to other features not just the size of their penis.

 

It's not "a bit stereotyped" - it is completely worshipped and preached by innumerable amounts of ignorant people.

 

I remember "Black Inches" - many of my boyfriends of yesteryears were avid fans. This always troubled me because while I understand that (and so many other) stereotypes are a BIG THING (ha ha), truth be told, there are loopholes! "I won't choke you but you'll get a mouthful," I'll always say to cushion the blow. I've been accosted many times over in the hopes of receiving the BBC, though there are a plethora of men out there that are more so addicted to the BBB (big black booty) - of which I do tote. It wasn't until I went to Europe and saw Black Men objectified in a new light, and not always in a good way. Many Europeans equate American Black Men to slavery and thus create stereotypical fantasies around this idea.

 

So - here is my not so veiled statement on the matter, and I'll keep bringing it up to raise awareness because I've actually heard "that's all you guys are good for" way too many times.

 

While I am vehemently against any sort of censorship and I do not condemn any type of sexual attraction or fetish - the term BBC remains to be a completely racist moniker.

 

Firstly, I won't choke you but you'll get a mouthful. This is not coming from a place of insecurity. This is coming from a place of reality, not fantasy or more importantly : pornography; a place that doles out this myth incessantly.

 

There are big white dicks too. There are big Asian dicks too. And there are people who are just big dicks themselves.

 

The stereotype is in the same realm as watermelon, fried chicken and basketball. Seriously. This is not hyperbole.

 

I don't mean to flame, I just want to put a different perspective in the minds of those who abuse the term and do not offer people like me the privilege to present themselves in any meaningful way.

 

I've had complete strangers come up to me and say

"YOU MUST HAVE A REALLY BIG DICK"

 

Imagine if a stereotype about another race was shouted out to someone who was prescribed to it.

You can read more about my experiences here: www.bimbosavant.blogspot.com

 

/end shameless plug and rant

[+ sync]

There are big white dicks too. There are big Asian dicks too. And there are people who are just big dicks themselves.

 

So well stated. Kudos.