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Local10.com

TV Meteorologist Accused Of Soliciting Sex With Minor

 

MIAMI -- South Florida TV meteorologist Bill Kamal was arrested Sunday in Fort Pierce as part of an investigation into sexual predators.

 

Authorities say Kamal set up a meeting for sex over the Internet with what he thought was a 14-year-old boy. The boy was actually an undercover federal agent, police say.

 

Investigators said that Kamal had arranged to meet the boy at a convenience store.

 

The St. Lucie County Sheriff's Office said Kamal had two condoms when he was arrested as well as two toys, one of which was a water gun.

 

WSVN representatives said the station has fired Kamal because they "had no choice." The station issued a brief statement saying: "We have no other alternative but to dismiss Bill Kamal for cause."

 

Kamal was Channel 7's chief meteorologist.

 

Investigators said that Kamal waived his rights and admitted to having child pornography on his computer.

 

After exercising search warrants at Kamal's Miami Beach and Fort Lauderdale homes, investigators confiscated his laptop computer and a desktop computer.

 

Kamal is being held without bond in the St. Lucie County Jail on a third-degree felony charge. He could face up to three years in prison for that charge.

 

He is facing additional federal charges that will be announced Tuesday.

[Luv2play]

I'm sorry to see that this has happened. Bill Kamal was an engaging personality on the South Florida television scene, along with many others on the Channel 7 channel in Miami. It was well known in the gay community that Bill was "one of us" but not known, at least to me, that he had a preference for underage boys.

 

This is a tragic turn of events for all concerned. I just hope Bill has some good friends and family members who will stand by him as he will need all the help he can get.:-(

[Karl-G]

How much do weathermen make? The paper said he owns two condos, thirty miles apart, and each costing $300,000. He was driving a Jaguar when arrested.

[Luv2play]

Good question! How much do all of those faces on the other side of the TV screen make? When I lived in Miami, Bill Kamal was on Channel 7 in Miami with the likes of Rick Sanchez, who is now on CNN (and a gorgeous hunk IMO). There were some other personalities whose names I now forget but I imagine they were all pulling in hefty 6 figure salaries, considering the size of market that the south Florida area represents. Also, if you have been around Florida for awhile, those $300,000 condos were only $75,000 or so a mere dozen years ago.

[woodlawn]

>I just hope

>Bill has some good friends and family members who will stand

>by him as he will need all the help he can get.

 

I just hope he gets a nice long term in prison. Imagine what might have happened if his Internet conversation had NOT been a police sting.

[Luv2play]

Well, what exactly? He might have had sex with a fourteen year old kid. I'm not condoning that but a fourteen year old kid shouldn't be on the internet looking for hookups. Where are the parents?

 

BTW, on the news this morning was an item about a 13 year old boy who was killed when the playground basketball hoop fell on him after he grabbed it. He was 6 foot inches and weighed 205 pounds. 13 years old!!!

[woodlawn]

>Well, what exactly? He might have had sex with a fourteen

>year old kid. I'm not condoning that but a fourteen year old

>kid shouldn't be on the internet looking for hookups. Where

>are the parents?

 

Are you joking? Or are you really suggesting that a child or his parents are to blame if a middle-aged man persuades the kid to have sex with him? Do you also blame rape victims for wearing provocative clothing, or mugging victims for taking a walk late at night?

 

 

>BTW, on the news this morning was an item about a 13 year old

>boy who was killed when the playground basketball hoop fell on

>him after he grabbed it. He was 6 foot inches and weighed 205

>pounds. 13 years old!!!

 

So what is that supposed to mean -- that we should get rid of the age of consent and measure a person's ability to consent to sex by his height?

[Luv2play]

Just suggesting that some 14 year olds go looking for sex, and not only with other 14 year olds. Just a fact of life. I don't get all twisted about it. It doesn't interest me at all (having sex with an underage, I like 'em over 25 and hairy) but I've met enough people who have told me about their adolescent adventures with older men (and sometimes women) and nobody went to jail. In my case, I was a late starter so the issue never arose for me.

 

Somehow, I picture you as a maiden Victorian aunt who has trouble coming to terms with how messy life can be. It's only funny that you seem to enjoy being on this site, given its connection to the demi-monde of male prostitution.

[woodlawn]

>Just suggesting that some 14 year olds go looking for sex,

>and not only with other 14 year olds. Just a fact of life. I

>don't get all twisted about it.

 

You don't care about it? Well, do the gay community a favor and keep that to yourself. There are enough straight people who think all gay men are pedophiles as it is. A lot of gay men want to be but can't be teachers and scoutmasters and adoptive parents because of that. We don't need to give the bigots in the straight world more ammunition by letting them know about characters like you.

 

>but I've met enough people who have told me about their

>adolescent adventures with older men (and sometimes women) and

>nobody went to jail.

 

Sex crimes are indeed the most underreported type of crime.

 

>In my case, I was a late starter

 

That's really a LOT more information than I needed. Your therapist may be interested in hearing about the problems with your sexual development. I'm not.

 

 

>Somehow, I picture you as a maiden Victorian aunt who has

>trouble coming to terms with how messy life can be. It's only

>funny that you seem to enjoy being on this site, given its

>connection to the demi-monde of male prostitution.

 

I've always pictured you as someone who lacks the intellectual ability to imagine other people except as stereotypes. It's comforting to know I was right about that.

[Luv2play]

Your problem is that you have a very narrow view on life and you see everything as black or white. This is not surprising as you are an American and America is heading down a path to becoming a deeply religious, reactionary society. Your laws and lawmakers reflect the type of society you are. The only western nation to still have the death penalty, the largest number of population by percentage in prisons, where the President wants to have a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriages, where a woman's right to abortion may depend on who is next nominated to the Supreme Court.

 

You say 14 year olds should not be held accountable for their enticing older men to have sex, yet in your country they can be given life sentences for murdering little girls. You should really try to think outside your own little world. After all, America only represents less than 6 percent of the world's population.

[VaHawk]

>Just suggesting that some 14 year olds go looking for sex,

>and not only with other 14 year olds. Just a fact of life. I

>don't get all twisted about it. It doesn't interest me at all

>(having sex with an underage, I like 'em over 25 and hairy)

>but I've met enough people who have told me about their

>adolescent adventures with older men (and sometimes women) and

>nobody went to jail. In my case, I was a late starter so the

>issue never arose for me.

 

Finally, someone posts the truth, and tells it like it is, without all the American Puritanical bullshit thrown in. Americans are so uptight about anything sexual, and the age of consent is 16 or even younger in many countries of the world.

 

IMO, a 14 yo knows exactly what he is getting into, and it is ridiculous when they willingly engage in/initiate sexual activities with older men, and then cry "foul for big bucks" after the fact (e.g. all those 14,15,16 yo boys who fucked around with the Catholic priests).

 

My first encounter was with a 26 yo man, when I younger than 14, and I was the one who initiated the encounter. As such,I personally, have a real hard time believing all the bullshit that every 14 yo or even older boy was an "unwilling victim" that was preyed upon by the older man, especially when they have done it over and over and over with that older man.

[Michael]

>

> WSVN representatives said the station has fired Kamal because

> they "had no choice." The station issued a brief statement

> saying: "We have no other alternative but to dismiss Bill

> Kamal for cause."

>

 

Oh really ...

 

So much for "innocent until proven guilty".

[+ Charlie]

Most 14 year olds are genuine victims who are cruelly taken advantage of by older men (and the fact that they go along with it repeatedly doesn't change that); some 14 year olds are already sexual predators themselves, who exploit the older men who are attracted to them; and a few 14 year olds are actually mature enough to make responsible decisions about their sex lives. There is no physical or psychological switch that is automatically flicked when one turns a certain age. That's the ethical problem with arbitrary age limits concerning sexual activity, even though they are generally necessary for consistent law enforcement, since determining anyone's level of maturity is extremely difficult, especially some time after the fact.

[woodlawn]

RE: Send Them Back

 

>Your problem is that you have a very narrow view on life and

>you see everything as black or white. This is not surprising

>as you are an American and America is heading down a path to

>becoming a deeply religious, reactionary society.

 

 

My "narrow" view of life is that pedophilia is wrong, no if's, and's or but's about it.

 

My problem is that I am a member of a minority group that is widely suspected of pedophilia and is denied certain rights because of that suspicion not just in America but in a whole host of countries. And gay men like yourself who sympathize with pedophiles contribute to that problem by making it seem as though the suspicion is justified. Our struggle to secure for gay men the same civil rights as everyone else would be a lot easier if it were not for people like you.

 

If you contend that America is more reactionary when it comes to gay issues than other countries, then you need to explain why it is that so many gay men come here from other countries seeking asylum on the ground that they are subject to legal discrimination in their own countries. If America is as bad as you claim, then we would be doing those men a favor by sending them back. That's fine with me. We can start loading them on the planes right now.

 

>You say 14 year olds should not be held accountable for their

>enticing older men to have sex,

 

Please don't make up lies about what I said. I say not that 14 year olds should not be held accountable, but that 40 year olds should be held accountable. I don't believe that any 14 year old has the wisdom to be allowed to make decisions that could have a profound effect on his life. That is why I think everyone at that age needs to be under adult supervision; kids of that age who act out sexually may need more supervision than others as well as treatment by qualified professionals. But men who are over 40 like your friend the weatherman should have the maturity and self-control not to involve themselves in sex with children no matter how the children provoke or entice them; if they do not have the ability to control their own behavior then the rest of us will have to control it for them.

 

 

>yet in your country they can

>be given life sentences for murdering little girls.

 

You are the one who thinks that 14 year olds should be held fully accountable for whatever they do, so I assume you agree that they should be treated as adults when they commit crimes. I am not at all sure about that, and neither are most Americans.

 

> You should

>really try to think outside your own little world.

 

I could not care less about your opinions of how we in America choose to run our own affairs. Our domestic policies are none of your business.

[Guest Tristan]

Just for the record, local10.com, WPLG, is the local Miami ABC affiliate. Bill Kamal worked for Channel 7, WSVN, the local Miami FOX affiliate. This is the same station anchored by the openly gay Craig Stevens. We wouldn't want to get ABC all bent out of shape.

[Luv2play]

RE: Send Them Back

 

As usual, it is you putting words in other people's mouths and reading into what is written whatever you wish to, whatever might actually have been stated.

 

>My "narrow" view of life is that pedophilia is wrong, And gay men like yourself who sympathize

>with pedophiles >

 

Where did I say I sympathize with pedophiles? I didn't even mention pedophilia, you did. Pedophilia means a desire to have sex with a child and a child is by definition a person that has not achieved puberty. Most 14 year olds have achieved puberty and many are actively engaged in sexual relations.

 

Having sex with a 14 year old is against the law, and I stated I did not condone what Bill Kamal was attempting to do. But desiring sex with an underage person (where age of consent varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction) and a child (which by definition cannot vary since puberty can be established as a medical fact)are two different things. If pedophilia were linked to the age of consent, it would mean that a person could be a pedophile in one country and, by merely stepping over the border, no longer be one. You seem to be confused about this. But then you confuse many things.

 

>

>why it is that so many gay men come here from other countries

>seeking asylum >

 

Well, I would say mostly for the superior standard of living they could achieve, considering where these asylum seekers are coming from. You don't see them coming from, say, Sweden or Switzerland or Canada, where they have comparable levels of income and much more liberal laws affecting gays than is the case in the USA.

 

>But men who are over 40 like your friend the weatherman

 

Where did I say he was my friend? I knew him from watching television in Miami; never met the man but the gay community in Miami know he is gay as he frequented the bars and gay events there.

 

>You are the one who thinks that 14 year olds should be held

>fully accountable for whatever they do, so I assume you agree

>that they should be treated as adults when they commit crimes.

> I am not at all sure about that, and neither are most

>Americans.

 

In fact I said 14 year olds may be the ones looking for sex with older men and and I would say that when that is the case there is some measure of culpability on their part. As for responsibility for commiting crimes, yes, but I didn't say they should be treated as adults. There again, you are putting words in my mouth. It is a fact that in many states of the US they are treated as adults. There was acase in Florida several years ago where a young boy was sentenced to life WITHOUT PAROLE for killing a little girl (that sentence has since been reversed). And where do you get your information that "most" Americans have the same misgivings as you do about treating them as adults? Or is this just another fact that you conveniently make up?

[woodlawn]

RE: Send Them Back

 

>As usual, it is you putting words in other people's mouths

>and reading into what is written whatever you wish to,

>whatever might actually have been stated.

 

Bullshit.

 

>Where did I say I sympathize with pedophiles?

 

You didn't. But you seem to have a real problem with my statement that the defendant in the case we are discussing should get a prison term. You suggested that the child and the parents are to blame and called me narrow-minded and Victorian for saying otherwise. If you didn't want anyone to get the impression that you sympathize with the defendant in this case, you made an incredibly poor choice of words.

 

 

>I didn't even

>mention pedophilia, you did. Pedophilia means a desire to have

>sex with a child and a child is by definition a person that

>has not achieved puberty.

 

By whose "definition," yours? That is not the legal definition of "child" used by state laws on sexual abuse of children. And that is what this thread is about.

 

 

>Most 14 year olds have achieved

>puberty and many are actively engaged in sexual relations.

 

So what? Most developmental psychologists will tell you that it is not unusual for children much younger than 14 to experience sexual thoughts and desires. Does that mean it's okay for 40 year olds to have sex with them?

 

>Having sex with a 14 year old is against the law, and I stated

>I did not condone what Bill Kamal was attempting to do.

 

You don't "condone" it, but you seem to have a real problem with anyone who condemns him for doing it. Uh huh.

 

>But

>desiring sex with an underage person (where age of consent

>varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction) and a child (which

>by definition cannot vary since puberty can be established as

>a medical fact)are two different things.

 

Who gives a shit about puberty? It's a fact that prepubescent children can have sexual thoughts. So why should puberty be a dividing line? In law, it isn't. The law makes no distinction between the culpability of an adult who has sex with a child of 14 and one who has sex with a child of 12. So what relevance does all your talk about puberty have in this discussion? None that I can see, except that you seem to want to argue that having sex with a child who has just entered puberty is somehow less serious.

 

 

> If pedophilia were

>linked to the age of consent, it would mean that a person

>could be a pedophile in one country and, by merely stepping

>over the border, no longer be one. You seem to be confusedYou

>about this. But then you confuse many things.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about. That is what comes of discussing a legal issue when you have no knowledge of the field.

 

>Well, I would say mostly for the superior standard of living

>they could achieve, considering where these asylum seekers are

>coming from. You don't see them coming from, say, Sweden or

>Switzerland or Canada, where they have comparable levels of

>income and much more liberal laws affecting gays than is the

>case in the USA.

 

So according to you all the men who seek asylum here for that reason are simply frauds -- they are economic refugees rather than political refugees. So we should, as I suggested, simply throw them out?

 

>>But men who are over 40 like your friend the weatherman

 

>Where did I say he was my friend? I knew him from watching

>television in Miami; never met the man but the gay community

>in Miami know he is gay as he frequented the bars and gay

>events there.

 

And the good wishes you expressed for him in your first post -- they are intended for someone you don't know and don't care about? I see.

 

>>You are the one who thinks that 14 year olds should be held

>>fully accountable for whatever they do, so I assume you

>agree

>>that they should be treated as adults when they commit

>crimes.

>> I am not at all sure about that, and neither are most

>>Americans.

 

>In fact I said 14 year olds may be the ones looking for sex

>with older men and and I would say that when that is the case

>there is some measure of culpability on their part.

 

And what effect should that have on the culpability of the adult who consents to have sex with them -- the behavior you describe by saying "life is messy" and it's nothing to "get all twisted" about. You did say those things, did you not?

 

 

> As for

>responsibility for commiting crimes, yes, but I didn't say

>they should be treated as adults. There again, you are putting

>words in my mouth.

 

You can't have it both ways, I'm afraid. You can't say that a child of 14 is both responsible and not responsible if he consents to have sex with a man of 40. Which is it?

 

> And where do you get your information that "most"

>Americans have the same misgivings as you do about treating

>them as adults? Or is this just another fact that you

>conveniently make up?

 

And if I cite surveys to that effect, will you aknowledge you were wrong? Or just pretend you didn't say it?

[Luv2play]

RE: Send Them Back

 

I notice when you are at a loss for words you say...

>Bullshit.

 

 

>>Where did I say I sympathize with pedophiles?

>

>You didn't.

 

But you said I did. Can you not follow what I'm saying? Or are you intentionally distorting what I say.

 

Pedophilia means a desire to

>have sex with a child and a child is by definition a person that

>>has not achieved puberty.

>

>By whose "definition," yours?

 

No, the Oxford Dictionary. Look it up. And a "legal" definition will generally not go against the common meaning of a word, as you should know, if you purport to have a legal background.

 

 

>Most developmental psychologists will tell you that

>it is not unusual for children much younger than 14 to

>experience sexual thoughts and desires. Does that mean it's

>okay for 40 year olds to have sex with them?

 

No, as I said, it's not OK to have sex with any underage person. I never said it was. Again, can't you follow what I'm saying? I'm trying to keep it simple for you.

 

>Who gives a shit about puberty? It's a fact that prepubescent

>children can have sexual thoughts. So why should puberty be a

>dividing line? In law, it isn't. The law makes no

>distinction between the culpability of an adult who has sex

>with a child of 14 and one who has sex with a child of 12. So

>what relevance does all your talk about puberty have in this

>discussion? None that I can see>

 

Because you raised the issue of pedophilia, not me. And pedophilia relates to a desire for sex with a child, not an underage person. Get it?

 

>You have no idea what you are talking about. That is what

>comes of discussing a legal issue when you have no knowledge

>of the field.

 

I could say the same for you, in fact I will.

 

>You can't have it both ways, I'm afraid. You can't say that a

>child of 14 is both responsible and not responsible if he

>consents to have sex with a man of 40. Which is it?

 

There you go again, putting words in my mouth. Show me where I said that. Quotes please.

 

>And if I cite surveys to that effect, will you aknowledge you

>were wrong? Or just pretend you didn't say it?

 

I'm always prepared to say I'm wrong if someone can present some verifiable facts, which you don't seem to be able to, as usual.

[woodlawn]

RE: Send Them Back

 

>I notice when you are at a loss for words you say...

>>Bullshit.

 

Have you? Then you should have no difficulty finding several other recent posts of mine on this board in which I do that. Let's see 'em. I know you wouldn't lie about that, so it should be quite easy.

 

>>>Where did I say I sympathize with pedophiles?

>>

>>You didn't.

>

>But you said I did. Can you not follow what I'm saying? Or are

>you intentionally distorting what I say.

 

Have you been tested for dyslexia? If not, it might be a good idea. I didn't say you said you sympathized with pedophiles, merely that your choice of words gives that strong impression. Can't you follow that? Seems simple to me.

 

>Pedophilia means a desire to

>>have sex with a child and a child is by definition a person

>that

>>>has not achieved puberty.

>>

>>By whose "definition," yours?

>

>No, the Oxford Dictionary. Look it up.

 

I looked it up in Webster-Merriam. One of the definitions given is "someone not of age."

 

>And a "legal"

>definition will generally not go against the common meaning of

>a word, as you should know, if you purport to have a legal

>background.

 

The fact is, there is no difference in the penalty applicable under Florida law -- I checked Florida because that is where the crime we are discussing occurred -- to an adult who has sexual relations with a 14 year old and to one who has sexual relations with a 12 year old. Wherever you got the idea that puberty creates some sort of legal dividing line, you are dead wrong. Deal with it.

 

>>Most developmental psychologists will tell you that

>>it is not unusual for children much younger than 14 to

>>experience sexual thoughts and desires. Does that mean it's

>>okay for 40 year olds to have sex with them?

>

>No, as I said, it's not OK to have sex with any underage

>person. I never said it was. Again, can't you follow what I'm

>saying? I'm trying to keep it simple for you.

 

I keep seeing in your posts statements that purport to make a distinction between having sex with a child who has reached puberty and with one who hasn't. I don't know why you want to pretend those statements aren't there, but they are.

 

>>Who gives a shit about puberty? It's a fact that

>prepubescent

>>children can have sexual thoughts. So why should puberty be

>a

>>dividing line? In law, it isn't. The law makes no

>>distinction between the culpability of an adult who has sex

>>with a child of 14 and one who has sex with a child of 12.

>So

>>what relevance does all your talk about puberty have in this

>>discussion? None that I can see>

>

>Because you raised the issue of pedophilia, not me. And

>pedophilia relates to a desire for sex with a child, not an

>underage person. Get it?

 

I've checked the definition of pedophilia in the same dictionary, and that isn't what it says. Do you really think you can just make up any definition you want and require the rest of us to abide by it? Why don't you look up "megalomania" next?

 

>>You have no idea what you are talking about. That is what

>>comes of discussing a legal issue when you have no knowledge

>>of the field.

>

>I could say the same for you, in fact I will.

 

You could, but it would just be one more example of your penchant for making shit up.

 

>>You can't have it both ways, I'm afraid. You can't say that

>a

>>child of 14 is both responsible and not responsible if he

>>consents to have sex with a man of 40. Which is it?

>

>There you go again, putting words in my mouth. Show me where I

>said that. Quotes please.

 

I would never do anything as unsanitary as putting words in your mouth. After all, I don't know where your mouth has been.

 

Getting back to your problem with dyslexia, do you not understand the difference between saying that you said something, and saying that you can't say something? Which does my quote above do?

 

>>And if I cite surveys to that effect, will you aknowledge

>you

>>were wrong? Or just pretend you didn't say it?

>

>I'm always prepared to say I'm wrong if someone can present

>some verifiable facts, which you don't seem to be able to, as

>usual.

 

Here you go, chump:

 

http://www.soros.org/initiatives/justice/articles_publications/publications/public_opinion_youth_200110

[Luv2play]

RE: Send Them Back

 

>>I notice when you are at a loss for words you say...

>>>Bullshit.

>

>Have you?

Yes, but I'm not going to go looking for them. And I've made it clear that while I sympathize with Bill Kamal for his situation, I never said anything concerning support for pedophiles. YOU are the one that brought up the whole issue of pedophilia. Someone interested in 14 year olds is not necessarily a pedophile. Why don't you ask a psychiatrist?

[woodlawn]

RE: Send Them Back

 

>>>I notice when you are at a loss for words you say...

>>>>Bullshit.

>>

>>Have you?

 

 

>Yes, but I'm not going to go looking for them.

 

If it's as you claim, it should be quite easy. If it's as you claim. I know you wouldn't lie about it. Right?

 

 

>And I've made

>it clear that while I sympathize with Bill Kamal for his

>situation,

 

Do you? Why? Why are you sympathetic to a 40 year old man who thought he was persuading a 14 year old kid to have sex with him? What is it about his situation that evokes your sympathy?

 

 

>I never said anything concerning support for

>pedophiles. YOU are the one that brought up the whole issue of

>pedophilia. Someone interested in 14 year olds is not

>necessarily a pedophile. Why don't you ask a psychiatrist?

 

First you told me to check the dictionary, and I did. Nothing in there stating that "pedophile" refers only to those who want to have sex with prepubescent children, as opposed to pubescent ones. You don't like that result, so you tell me to check elsewhere. Do we see a pattern here?

 

By the way, in case you decide you'd rather not review it, I'll just mention for the benefit of other readers of this thread that the link I posted does provide substantial support for my statement that most Americans share my misgivings about treating all child offenders as adults. In fact, a substantial majority support the idea that locking up young people and throwing away the key is NOT the answer to juvenile crime. You were wrong. Again.

[Guest ReturnOfS]

Has anyone figured out what he was going to do with the squirt gun?

[Luv2play]

RE: Send Them Back

 

>it should be quite easy. If it's as you

>claim. I know you wouldn't lie about it. Right?

 

Easy? Reading all your tedious posts. You must be kidding!

 

>Why are you sympathetic to a 40 year old man

>who thought he was persuading a 14 year old kid to have sex

>with him? What is it about his situation that evokes your

>sympathy?

 

Well, because he was a friendly personality on the television and now he sits in a jailcell. I feel sympathy for him. He made a mistake and he should pay for it. But that doesn't mean that I can't feel sympathy for him.

 

>First you told me to check the dictionary, and I did. Nothing

>in there stating that "pedophile" refers only to those who

>want to have sex with prepubescent children, as opposed to

>pubescent ones.

 

WRONG. Oxford Dictionary. "Child- a young human being below the age of puberty". "Pedophilia- sexual desire directed towards children"

 

> Do we see a pattern here?

 

Yes. You can't read.

>

>By the way, in case you decide you'd rather not review it,

>I'll just mention for the benefit of other readers of this

>thread that the link I posted

 

Well I tried your link but it didn't work. I just got Soros.com. Any relation to George?

[Luv2play]

RE: Send Them Back

 

For your further edification. Black's Law Dictionary. "Child" see "Children". "Children" "Child of tender age or years. Such a child must be less than 14 years old".

 

I rest my case, my Lord.

[ServeUncutUncle]

Hang on it works both ways at 14 I was chasing Older Men for sex. Guess that makes me a criminal. I also lived in England where homosexuality was a crime with up to 10 years in prison until 1966.