"Flirting with a transgender threatened his manhood" and gave him an excuse to kill?

[marylander1940]

 

 

25-year-old James Dixon is accused of killing Islan Nettles, a transgender woman whom he initially showed interested in 2013. via NY Daily News: James Dixon tried to argue in the interview — which was videotaped and played in Manhattan Supreme Court Friday — that gender confusion was not at play when he callously beat the victim. Dixon claimed he simply “had some words” with Nettles and that he did not remember them until NYPD Det. Thaddeus Hall, now retired, pressed him for the real story insisting Dixon’s version “didn’t make sense.” “There’s something that leads up to the altercation … so what transpired?” Hall said. “Did you try to holler at her?” Dixon finally admitted that “yes” he was ...

 

http://www.lovebscott.com/news/murder-suspect-james-dixon-said-he-felt-his-manhood-was-threatened-after-he-flirted-with-transgender-woman-islan-nettles

 

Reminds me of this other thread.

 

Lance Cpl. Joseph Scott Pemberton was convicted of homicide by first strangling Jennifer Laude and then dunking her head into a toilet bowl in the hotel they had checked into after meeting in a disco bar in Olongapo city, northwest of Manila. He was sentenced to 6-12 years in jail, with time already spent in detention credited, said court clerk Gerry Gruspe.

 

Pemberton testified in August that he had choked Laude during a fight that erupted when he discovered she was a transgender woman, but said she was still alive when he left her in a shower, according to his lawyer, Rowena Garcia Flores

 

http://news.yahoo.com/us-marine-found-guilty-killing-transgender-filipino-080856343.html

 

No doubt but the reason (if there could be any other reason to kill a person other than self defense or defending your country) was the fact he thought she was a girl and after he discovered she was a transgender instead of walking away he killed her to protect his honor/manhood... I know homophobia!

 

 

 

Btw I've been accused of writing sensationalistic tittles, or as I call them, catchy tittles, but in this case like in 99% of cases, I just wanted the main part of the story to be visible in order to avoid duplicate postings and to make us talk about this. One more thing this a perfect case of a hate crime and we've had a few killings like this in the DC area recently.

 

Do transgender people need to carry a sign on their sleeve in case they look too convincing? Do they have to warn a potential hook up, btw I used to be a dude, or I have nice tits but I still have a dick down there?

 

http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/55882521ca2dc24e4d26ef6a/master/w_900,c_limit/caitlyn-jenner-july-2015-vf-06.jpg

 

Specially in countries where this treatment start so early that many times transgender men are more beautiful than natural born women?

 

http://images.china.cn/attachement/jpg/site1007/20121115/001372a9ae05120ef08315.jpg

 

http://images.china.cn/attachement/jpg/site1007/20121115/001372a9ae05120ee9b453.jpg

 

 

 

I know... can you imagine a court packed with rednecks in Appalachia or the South declaring him guilty? I can't! Besides the fact he was visiting a inferior country full of untermensch made him believe he had the right to do it without consequences.

 

The verdict in most of our country would have been "insanity because he was a dude", and totally justified by the Bible.

 

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/us-marine-found-guilty-of-killing-transgender-filipino.109568/

[Kenny]

Tragic. The misogyny at the root of this awful story, which resulted in one life cut short and a second life ruined, is rampant.

[marylander1940]

Tragic. The misogyny at the root of this awful story, which resulted in one life cut short and a second life ruined, is rampant.

 

Besides I wonder why he didn't show his manhood on other things in life?

[+ sync]

Like others on the fringe of society, transgender individuals have to understand that we live in a world as it is, and not a world as it should be. A heterosexual male who believes he is about to have intimate relations with a heterosexual female and is then confronted with conflicting genitalia and/or other anomalies is very likely to react in a violent manner. There have been numerous reports of this nature, which should caution transgender individuals to take care that "everything" is understood and agreeable to all parties before relations or relationships are pursued. It can still be dangerous to be different.

[TruthBTold]

Or what sentence would this guy get if he said that He picked a gentlemen up at a casino because he thought it was going to be easy to beat him at cards but the gentlemen actually suffered from Asperger's Syndrome and was a math genius so that he could easily beat others at cards. I guess it was OK to murder him because he tricked the guy. It is sickening a judge would go along with the charade.

[marylander1940]

Like others on the fringe of society, transgender individuals have to understand that we live in a world as it is, and not a world as it should be. A heterosexual male who believes he is about to have intimate relations with a heterosexual female and is then confronted with conflicting genitalia and/or other anomalies is very likely to react in a violent manner. There have been numerous reports of this nature, which should caution transgender individuals to take care that "everything" is understood and agreeable to all parties before relations or relationships are pursued. It can still be dangerous to be different.

 

yes, unless he's in jail or in a Navy boat where everything is possible... Besides I guarantee you that transgender got lucky doing that multiple times with guys who knew, suspected or didn't know she was a transgender yet fuck him anyways because they were horny.

 

Don't get me wrong, it's a Russian roulette a transgender shouldn't play, I agree with you but if he did it over and over again is for one reason, it worked before till it didn't and it finally cost him his life.

[+ quoththeraven]

Like others on the fringe of society, transgender individuals have to understand that we live in a world as it is, and not a world as it should be. A heterosexual male who believes he is about to have intimate relations with a heterosexual female and is then confronted with conflicting genitalia and/or other anomalies is very likely to react in a violent manner. There have been numerous reports of this nature, which should caution transgender individuals to take care that "everything" is understood and agreeable to all parties before relations or relationships are pursued. It can still be dangerous to be different.

 

First of all, that's not what's described. He was flirting. He was not about to have sex. Moreover, while earlier disclosure is probably better, that's still no excuse. We need to come to grips with the fact that expecting potential sex partners to be cis (and in some cases trans status is not obvious) is not much different from expecting everyone to be straight or monogamous.

 

We need to learn to live with differences and we need to disavow this kind of toxic masculinity that equates violence, domination and force with being a man and replace it with a healthier view of what it means to be a man. Otherwise this becomes just like the situation with rape, where the entire burden is put on women to prevent it and not on men to not do it. That's dysfunctional and wrong.

 

I wish we could see people as themselves, not as the categories we think they fit into, and realize if fresh information means we're no longer interested in them, we accept that and move on. No one is owed sex. The idea that a man can justify beating someone to death because the inability to fuck them threatened his manhood is just sick.

[+ sync]

First of all, that's not what's described. He was flirting. He was not about to have sex. Moreover, while earlier disclosure is probably better, that's still no excuse. We need to come to grips with the fact that expecting potential sex partners to be cis (and in some cases trans status is not obvious) is not much different from expecting everyone to be straight or monogamous.

 

We need to learn to live with differences and we need to disavow this kind of toxic masculinity that equates violence, domination and force with being a man and replace it with a healthier view of what it means to be a man. Otherwise this becomes just like the situation with rape, where the entire burden is put on women to prevent it and not on men to not do it. That's dysfunctional and wrong.

 

I wish we could see people as themselves, not as the categories we think they fit into, and realize if fresh information means we're no longer interested in them, we accept that and move on. No one is owed sex. The idea that a man can justify beating someone to death because the inability to fuck them threatened his manhood is just sick.

 

The admission in his statement of trying to seduce the victim comes off as more than "flirting." (Dixon finally admitted that “yes” he was trying to seduce Nettles until one of pals called out, “That’s a man!”) Your other points are well taken and highlight the need to understand that we live in a world as it is and not a world as it should be.

[+ quoththeraven]

The admission in his statement of trying to seduce the victim comes off as more than "flirting." (Dixon finally admitted that “yes” he was trying to seduce Nettles until one of pals called out, “That’s a man!”) Your other points are well taken and highlight the need to understand that we live in a world as it is and not a world as it should be.

 

I took that as a statement of intent. Considering that his friends were still around and that they were in a public place and thus presumably not about to disrobe and get it on anytime right that minute, flirting with the intent to have sex seems like a better description of what had happened to that point.

 

My problem with "world as it is, not as it should be" is it saps all the energy out of trying to make things better when we know we can actually accomplish a lot. Look at the changes that have occurred in terms of LGBT acceptance. They would not have happened without people challenging the status quo. Even in areas where we seem to have backslid or stalled, like racial and gender equality, the level of discourse and what people are willing to accept has changed.

 

But in case you hadn't noticed, I'm more of a rebel by nature than an optimist.

[+ sync]

I took that as a statement of intent. Considering that his friends were still around and that they were in a public place and thus presumably not about to disrobe and get it on anytime right that minute, flirting with the intent to have sex seems like a better description of what had happened to that point.

 

My problem with "world as it is, not as it should be" is it saps all the energy out of trying to make things better when we know we can actually accomplish a lot. Look at the changes that have occurred in terms of LGBT acceptance. They would not have happened without people challenging the status quo. Even in areas where we seem to have backslid or stalled, like racial and gender equality, the level of discourse and what people are willing to accept has changed.

 

But in case you hadn't noticed, I'm more of a rebel by nature than an optimist.

 

I like rebels. When I suggested we acknowledge the world as it is and not as it should be, I was focusing on specific situations that present an obvious risk or danger at the time. For instance, a man giving a wolf whistle toward a woman is regarded pretty much as a compliment. If I were to give a wolf whistle toward a man, things would very likely deteriorate in a hurry. Another small example, being a senior today, I have had to come to the realization that there are things that my parents and grandparents could do as seniors that I can't. I can't take an after-dinner walk alone, sit in the park and look at the stars (I could, but it would probably be my last). Today, we seniors are perpetually preyed upon by scammers and personal information predators through the U.S. mail, our telephones, and the Internet. It shouldn't be that way, but it is and we have to acknowledge it.

 

However, despite the negatives that have invaded our society there is no justification for throwing in the towel. As you stated we can actually accomplish a lot by challenging the status quo. Go rebels!