Dear Lord Jesus, please tell me I'm not the only one.

[JDXXX]

Good, then stop eavesdropping. Did i address you? No. So keep it moving

 

OUCH!!!!!:eek:

 

I can see where this is going......

 

We may have to order pizza on this thread too, you guys. :rolleyes:

[Mocha]

I got the same comment from a local DC escort... I wonder if the weather makes people lazy or maybe it's just the lack of travel that usually happens during this time of the year.

 

Wow, well i couldn't say DC hasn't been fucking great...literally, but it's true. Some winter cities it seems like the only thing to look forward to in winter is the football game. Looking back, i don't think I've had a single sunday appointment from a non regular this entire football season until this week. Some places it doesn't matter what time of year it is.

[Mocha]

OUCH!!!!!:eek:

 

I can see where this is going......

 

We may have to order pizza on this thread too, you guys. :rolleyes:

 

Lol, i had so much more to add to that but i kept it polite. Now that said, my follow up post to this was very mellow. If someone wants to come here and be cynical, that's why things would appear to be going in that direction.

 

But like I said, I'm opting out. Happy valentine's day chocolate and mocha lovers!

[Nvr2Thick]

Good, then stop eavesdropping. Did i address you? No. So keep it moving

 

Can't expect a private conversation on a public forum. This does, however, follow your m.o. You state your complaints about your client base disguised as questions, generalizing their behavior with contempt. Once again you've suggested that your lack of success as an escort is someone else's fault, and dismiss the idea that your ever worsening attitude could have an influence. Any feedback that doesn't affirm what you've already decided is dismissed with similar contempt.

[Guy Fawkes]

Three messages and counting since you "Opted" out of the conversation...

 

[JDXXX]

As an aside, I'm wondering if a lot of this has to do with 2 things: married men (most of the examples i KNOW were married men), and work overburdened. It seems like out in the career world, people are busy, busy, busy at work. But, I can't be sitting around figuring out people's lives before they can't even walk thru the door.

 

I don't get the taking 2 to tangle thing. I'm doing everything I'm supposed to be doing. I had one guy today, call me to book for 7 pm. Said he had to see if he could get out of work early enough, and would call me. I said, SO YOU DONT KNOW FOR SURE, THAT YOU CAN MAKE IT TODAY, RIGHT? He said not yet, but he'd call me. I'm thinking, then why the FUCK are you making plans for 7 pm if you're not sure?

 

Sure enough, he didn't show...but since I sussed him out earlier, I wasn't too miffed.

 

Mocha,

 

After reading your post, and evaluating the situation, I couldn't help but to finally chime in, and put my two cents into this as an escort, one who not only cares about you, but only want the best for you to succeed, and not see you go through such struggles in the business of what tend always be encountering with you in the escorting community.

 

Take it from me - You have NOTHING (YOU HEAR ME) to be ashamed of as you are doing the right thing by expressing these frustrations, and think you have every right to be upset, and disappointed. What your feeling, baby is completely normal and justified as I don't blame you in the slightest in being as I'm going to admit - I have had the same similar situations your experiencing happen to me in the past, and these occurrences still happen here and there, but not as much as they use to in past years.

 

I believe all escorts at one point or another go through these unfortunate circumstances in the escorting world occasionally, and it sucks I know that it can be at times like a disease that will never go away, but we have to just shake it off to the BEST of our ability, keep our head up, and move forward towards clients who are serious, and respectable of our time. Not every client out there is out to get us, and try to destroy us as there are a lot of good ones out there, baby. Just have to hold on, and be patient. These problems do get better if you stay focused, and determined to overcome this with a positive outcome.

 

Another peace of advice I'm going to share with you, baby is: Don't let such deep and intense negative experiences like this get you down so much to where you eventually quit the business altogether, and give up. We in America today need spectacular escorts with high moral values such as yourself in the business as there are very few far and in between nowadays, and it'll be ashame to let dishonest clients turn great escorts such as yourself away. You can't let the bad guys win here, my friend as they're trying to accomplish by doing such crappy actions unto you by getting you frustrated and give up, and baby, you can't let that happen I don't care how hard these awful individuals are eager to try to discourage you.

 

Know I'm on your side, and understand of your frustrations of what your going through and it's nice to see that Juan Vancouver and Keith Hardy in this thread have expressed similar impacts in the business as well, so this does prove baby - your not alone in this, and we all sympathize with you when maybe others do not, and that's okay as not everyone on the forum is gonna understand these sort of problems escorts do encounter when it comes to dealing with clients who can be somewhat complicated by giving escorts a hard time.

 

To those on the forum who don't understand you, and may see you as troublesome, whining, and complaining - maybe it's because they don't understand how frustrating it can be at times when such problem happens frequently or on a continual basis of affecting your financial status as well of your livelihood.

 

Anyone who can't understand where your coming from of how damaging, and frustrating such problems can be on a person self-esteem, and self-worth of constant potential risk of independence - is NOT living in reality and speaking from a level and coming from a land of "privilege" and hey let's face it, people it happens as not everything, Mocha is stating here is over-exaggerated as I myself have gone through this BS as well, and trust me -It's not pretty to go through in the slightest.

 

Mocha, keep your chin up, and keep shining baby as it'll be alright being you need to stay focused and motivated in staying in the game, and not let these crappy people get the best of you. Take this from someone who loves you that your not alone - trust me - Alec Andrews, Myself, Keith Hardy, Juan Vancouver, and many other escorts in the business I'm sure have all been through some sort of traumatic drama with horrific clients screwing us over one form or another, but this is a time to reflect on these experiences and again move forward without quitting, baby.

 

Actually one of our best guys here on the forum - our very own - Alec Andrews - went through a terrible time in Dallas back a few months ago, and I along with many others have shared with him of some useful tools he can use to overcome his tragic experience with the "Dallas Mafia".

 

Read the thread below, and tell me later what you think. I think by reading this will put you at ease some of what we all shared with him when he encountered such problems on an extreme intense, and horrific scale one can possibly go though in one city.

 

http://www.companyofmen.org/threads/dallas-escort-mafia.109926/page-2

 

We'll talk later - I promise. ;).

 

Hugs,

 

[bigvalboy]

To those on the forum who don't understand you, and may see you as troublesome, whining, and complaining - maybe it's because they don't understand how frustrating it can be at times when such problem happens frequently or on a continual basis of affecting your financial status as well of your livelihood.

Anyone who can't understand where your coming from of how damaging, and frustrating such problems can be on a person self-esteem, and self-worth of constant potential risk of independence - is NOT living in reality and speaking from a level and coming from a land of "privilege" and hey let's face it, people it happens as not everything, Mocha is stating here is over-exaggerated as I myself have gone through this BS as well, and trust me -It's not pretty to go through in the slightest

 

Could you have been anymore insulting....

[JDXXX]

Could you have been anymore insulting....

 

No - Didn't mean to be insulting at all as what I was stating was the complete obvious to what some people have emailed me about recently, so sorry what I said may have offend some people as I was only speaking truth to the situation.

 

Not in my nature to offend people or come off insensitive.

[josh282282]

To those on the forum who don't understand you, and may see you as troublesome, whining, and complaining - maybe it's because they don't understand how frustrating it can be at times when such problem happens frequently or on a continual basis of affecting your financial status as well of your livelihood.

 

JD,

 

I'm not at all insulted by what you wrote, BTW (but I can see where others might be). And yes, I do see Mocha as troublesome, whining, and complaining. And also, I definetely see how these jerk clients with their no-show/no call games can harm an escorts financial status. I hate that some clients do that to escorts. But all of that is not my point.

 

My point and serious concern after reading all of Mocha's posts this past year is Mocha blames everyone else for all his problems and never takes any responsibility. He eschews exercising good judgement and self-intraspection. He refuses advice, even when he asks for it. He appears (from his own posts that he describes) to be a drama-seeker. His negativity is effervescent. He is unpleasant and rude on this forum.

 

I am unconvinced this forum is helpful to him. Rather, these issues might be best dealt with not in this forum but in the setting of a therapists office or privately with wise friends/supporters.

 

I wish him nothing but the best (for real) but he is his own worst enemy, not his clients (although I readily concede he has had some disrespectful & awful clients). I fear that until he begins to internally work thru how much my painfully strong criticisms are accurate, he will never find happiness in any measure. Nevertheless, I truly hope he does.

 

I strongly suspect (and am prepared) that he will (rudely) attack me and demonstrate no insight or discussion on his part on what parts of my concerns could contain even a modicum of truth. This will only support my criticism. I have decided that until he does demonstrate even a little bit of change, I'm done engaging with him.

[jimboivyo]

this forum is mocha's punching bag. always has been. he's a broken record and quite amusing to me

 

I love watching him wind himself up and then spiral around. what was once annoying is now like a obscure sport that should be viewed on ESPN 3

[Nvr2Thick]

Take it from me - You have NOTHING (YOU HEAR ME) to be ashamed of as you are doing the right thing by expressing these frustrations, and think you have every right to be upset, and disappointed. What your feeling, baby is completely normal and justified as I don't blame you in the slightest in being as I'm going to admit - I have had the same similar situations your experiencing happen to me in the past, and these occurrences still happen here and there, but not as much as they use to in past years.

 

...

 

Know I'm on your side, and understand of your frustrations of what your going through and it's nice to see that Juan Vancouver and Keith Hardy in this thread have expressed similar impacts in the business as well, so this does prove baby - your not alone in this, and we all sympathize with you when maybe others do not, and that's okay as not everyone on the forum is gonna understand these sort of problems escorts do encounter when it comes to dealing with clients who can be somewhat complicated by giving escorts a hard time.

 

To those on the forum who don't understand you, and may see you as troublesome, whining, and complaining - maybe it's because they don't understand how frustrating it can be at times when such problem happens frequently or on a continual basis of affecting your financial status as well of your livelihood.

 

Anyone who can't understand where your coming from of how damaging, and frustrating such problems can be on a person self-esteem, and self-worth of constant potential risk of independence - is NOT living in reality and speaking from a level and coming from a land of "privilege" and hey let's face it, people it happens as not everything, Mocha is stating here is over-exaggerated as I myself have gone through this BS as well, and trust me -It's not pretty to go through in the slightest.

 

No - Didn't mean to be insulting at all as what I was stating was the complete obvious to what some people have emailed me about recently, so sorry what I said may have offend some people as I was only speaking truth to the situation.

 

Not in my nature to offend people or come off insensitive.

 

I don't know whether you have or have not seen the whole picture historically under his Joey Bryant and Mocha personas. I can appreciate your intention to keep the peace and offer some positivity. What you may not know is that for many years clients on this forum have been reading and responding to Joey's complaints about how clients behave. At one time our responses to Joey/Mocha started out more patient and civil. Now many of us see each post as another shot at clients in general, and as his own foregone conclusions posed as questions.

 

The criticism often becomes very general with entire cities, states, all of gay America, or all of gay white America painted with the same brush. Any attempt to suggest another point of view or recommend a change in his outlook or methods is met with contempt and dismissal, or an escalation on his part; that his client base is even worse than he originally stated. Often he'll announce his own solution for dealing with the problem as he perceives it, and the solution is a laughably punitive approach to customer service. The latest theme in his responses is to dismiss replies as being negative and cynical when his assessment of his problem was negative and cynical, or to announce that he's refused to hear to what we have to say and yet provide a rebuttal. Recurring concepts are:

• potential clients should always know to call me - it's a matter of respect, even though escorts have shown a variety of expectations for engagement.
  
• escorts who charge less than me are lowballing, and clients who use them are slumming and showing disrespect for my worth.
  
• guys who hookup via A4A, Grindr, etc. for "free" casual sex are depriving me of deserved business.
  
• repeat/regular customers don't provide me with a better relationship or improved compensation over time even though they can clearly afford it.
  

This is a forum created for clients and escorts to talk about escorts and escorting. The vast majority of forum participants are clients. The best advice you might give him is something that you've clearly understood -- this isn't the best audience to present one's platform on how much you dislike clients' behaviors. Then there's the basics of social media -- take time to consider suggestions and criticisms rather than responding with escalating contemptuous rebuttals.

 

There's another great lesson he can learn from you: When one of the most well-liked and one of the least liked escorts on the forum are both men of color then external issues of race may be less of a factor than one's methods for dealing with people.

[MikeBiDude]

Could you have been anymore insulting....

Not sure if I'm replying to the right post...but - does anyone besides me make a decision on what gentlemen NOT TO HIRE based on what and how they post on these forum?

 

I really don't want to cause trouble (already did that on another thread yesterday!) but there are at least 3-4 I have crossed of my list to ever contact due to repeated negative rants, bitchy arguments with other escorts/posters on these boards, etc. all negatives and a turn off to me....

[JDXXX]

JD,

 

I'm not at all insulted by what you wrote, BTW (but I can see where others might be). And yes, I do see Mocha as troublesome, whining, and complaining. And also, I definetely see how these jerk clients with their no-show/no call games can harm an escorts financial status. I hate that some clients do that to escorts. But all of that is not my point.

 

My point and serious concern after reading all of Mocha's posts this past year is Mocha blames everyone else for all his problems and never takes any responsibility. He eschews exercising good judgement and self-intraspection. He refuses advice, even when he asks for it. He appears (from his own posts that he describes) to be a drama-seeker. His negativity is effervescent. He is unpleasant and rude on this forum.

 

I am unconvinced this forum is helpful to him. Rather, these issues might be best dealt with not in this forum but in the setting of a therapists office or privately with wise friends/supporters.

 

I wish him nothing but the best (for real) but he is his own worst enemy, not his clients (although I readily concede he has had some disrespectful & awful clients). I fear that until he begins to internally work thru how much my painfully strong criticisms are accurate, he will never find happiness in any measure. Nevertheless, I truly hope he does.

 

I strongly suspect (and am prepared) that he will (rudely) attack me and demonstrate no insight or discussion on his part on what parts of my concerns could contain even a modicum of truth. This will only support my criticism. I have decided that until he does demonstrate even a little bit of change, I'm done with engaging with him.

 

 

this forum is mocha's punching bag. always has been. he's a broken record and quite amusing to me

 

I love watching him wind himself up and then spiral around. what was once annoying is now like a obscure sport that should be viewed on ESPN 3

 

 

I don't know whether you have or have not seen the whole picture historically under his Joey Bryant and Mocha personas. I can appreciate your intention to keep the peace and offer some positivity. What you may not know is that for many years clients on this forum have been reading and responding to Joey's complaints about how clients behave. At one time our responses to Joey/Mocha started out more patient and civil. Now many of us see each post as another shot at clients in general, and as his own foregone conclusions posed as questions.

 

The criticism often becomes very general with entire cities, states, all of gay America, or all of gay white America painted with the same brush. Any attempt to suggest another point of view or recommend a change in his outlook or methods is met with contempt and dismissal, or an escalation on his part; that his client base is even worse than he originally stated. Often he'll announce his own solution for dealing with the problem as he perceives it, and the solution is a laughably punitive approach to customer service. The latest theme in his responses is to dismiss replies as being negative and cynical when his assessment of his problem was negative and cynical, or to announce that he's refused to hear to what we have to say and yet provide a rebuttal. Recurring concepts are:

• potential clients should always know to call me - it's a matter of respect, even though escorts have shown a variety of expectations for engagement.
  
• escorts who charge less than me are lowballing, and clients who use them are slumming and showing disrespect for my worth.
  
• guys who hookup via A4A, Grindr, etc. for "free" casual sex are depriving me of deserved business.
  
• repeat/regular customers don't provide me with a better relationship or improved compensation over time even though they can clearly afford it.
  

This is a forum created for clients and escorts to talk about escorts and escorting. The vast majority of forum participants are clients. The best advice you might give him is something that you've clearly understood -- this isn't the best audience to present one's platform on how much you dislike clients' behaviors. Then there's the basics of social media -- take time to consider suggestions and criticisms rather than responding with escalating contemptuous rebuttals.

 

There's another great lesson he can learn from you: When one of the most well-liked and one of the least liked escorts on the forum are both men of color then external issues of race may be less of a factor than one's methods for dealing with people.

 

Hey Guys,

 

Thanks for your suggestions and input being as of now - it's time for this whole complaining mess to come to an end finally once and for all.

 

Yes, I have been aware of historically of the Joey Bryant, and Mocha personas which is why I'm coming forth finally in expressing of the disturbing comments that are being made against one another here.

 

I can understand how maybe Mocha's comments, gentlemen can come off a little hostile, some-what militant, and maybe self-induced at times, but that's why I'm now intervening in this conversation because as a person of color - I can relate to a lot of what he's experienced and then some that I've never expressed until now on his many so-called "rants" and frustrations in the business.

 

I will admit, I'm maybe not as extreme when it comes to these topics as Mocha is, but I'd be lying to the world, to myself, and to many members on this forum to not interject here by pretending it doesn't happen to me because trust me - it does, and has - especially me being a man of color who is so-called "well-liked" on the forum.

 

You guys, listen(and I mean this with all due respect and sincerity), what Mocha is trying to do or intending to do to the best of his ability here, is only educate, and inform people of what it's like on the other side of the coin in the escorting realm.

 

A lot of what he's expressing to most of you here on the forum are unfortunate circumstances he's encountered for which I terribly sympathize due to the effect based upon experience to maybe what an African-American escort in the escorting field does go through on a daily bases as he is NOT the only person who has told me of such horrors when it comes to clients and they're shortcomings towards escorts. I myself have been though the EXACT same BS as him if not worse.

 

This is why I am advising him to move forward, shake it off(of course as stated in my previous post), and use a different method in creating a much better outlook in improving such destructive situations in escorting and his combative situations that revolves within his personal life he's unfortunately endured whether if it's racially induced or not.

 

There are ways to overcome these obstacles to his advantage without maybe using the forum as a "punching bag", but what I am proud of him about is expressing these obstacles he's facing so maybe members can be aware of such turmoil that happens to escorts - especially within men of color.

 

Now it's time to do the obvious and help defuse the problems at hand here and end this madness once and for all, you guys as life is too short this sort of destruction and negativity on the forum or anywhere else.

 

Mocha, tell me, and the other members here, baby what do you think can be done to improve how clients treat you, me or other escorts - especially men of color here as you've expressed here on this thread?

 

I think instead of expressing it here on the forum being criticized and well-hated based on the history of such "rants" in the past - maybe now is the time to reflect, and ask members to help you come up with the solution. . Do you think we can try that instead?

 

Members here are saying they feel you fault them for all the bad misfortunes that happen to you regarding clients right? Okay - so let's fix it by asking now the clients what they may think is a simple solution to the problems your enduring. Could be a good learning tool for me too as well as other escorts.

 

Clients: Be honest here - What do you suggest are solutions to help this poor guy with all the many negative dilemma's he's faced throughout the years in escorting you may know of?

 

What do you all on the forum think Mocha can do for himself to help overcome some of these problems he's faced with clients who've wronged him?

 

Let's help him sort these problems out together, and also help each other along in the process to help be maybe be better clients as well knowing how such actions Mocha has mentioned affects him long with other escort. Let's help him together help defuse the problem and not escalate it by being against him by complaining or each other. .

 

Help each other to resolve these conflicts.

[+ Truereview]

As a client, my suggestion is that we allow folks who need this kind of help to get it outside the forum. When someone is not ready or willing to help himself, the worst thing they can do is work it out with folks who are fed up with him.

[+ Topseed]

Daddy or another moderator: please, please, please lock this thread. Please.

[JDXXX]

Daddy or another moderator: please, please, please lock this thread. Please.

 

Having these discussions are a good way for these sort of issues to come out in the open, and nip it in the bud finally once and for all.

 

No need to shut it down as of yet being this is some good feedback from other escorts who are having similar problems as Mocha.

 

It's good thing to lay everything out on the table, and come to a solution to help one another conquer these problems together.

 

Nothing is gonna get resolved by running from the issues at hand as it's not going to stop it looks like to me, and keep coming up, so why not just do the sensible thing, and work together in helping Mocha and other escorts overcome these horrific obstacles your reading about.

[JDXXX]

Im jumping in here, yes it did bother me a little when clients would reject me bc of my skin color but now that Im a bit older I've realized that it's good they rejected me because why would you want to spend time with someone who doesn't like you because the way you were born. You cannot force people to hire you just like you can't force people to pay for you. In fact forcing someone just makes them not want too even more. As far as the clients that say I can get it free elsewhere then you shouldn't be mad at that as most likely they weren't really serious in hiring you... you either negiotate with them or stand by your rates. Also I've had clients just hire me because I'm latin so hey sometimes my skin color does have advantages i guess

 

But that doesn't even matter to me, my thoughts on posting here was to vent about my frustrations on no show/guys that play games when hiring escorts, thats my top concern over racial, or payment issues.

 

I think what you, Mocha, and others have expressed is something we ALL as escorts are concerned with as people should hire you for YOU - not because of only your race. It's a good thing for people to hire you based on what YOU bring to the table as an outstanding escort, and have to offer as a person in your field, not because of the color of your skin.

 

All about respect both the escorts, and clients at hand. That's what's important as you have a meaningful value in this world too, DK. Don't forget that. .

[josh282282]

JD,

 

Your heartfelt and loving intervention is noteworthy but at this point its called enabling- see definition below. I think you should just leave Mocha to his own devices. You risk your professional reputation.

 

In a negative sense, "enabling" can describe dysfunctional behavior approaches that are intended to help resolve a specific problem but in fact may perpetuate or exacerbate the problem.[1][2] A common theme of enabling in this latter sense is that third parties take responsibility or blame, or make accommodations for a person's harmful conduct (often with the best of intentions, or from fear or insecurity which inhibits action). The practical effect is that the person himself or herself does not have to do so, and is shielded from awareness of the harm it may do, and the need or pressure to change.

[JDXXX]

As a client, my suggestion is that we allow folks who need this kind of help to get it outside the forum. When someone is not ready or willing to help himself, the worst thing they can do is work it out with folks who are fed up with him.

 

I understand where your coming from, and maybe your right as that's what people said about me too, and eventually gave up on me in the process in order for me to wake up, and did receive help elsewhere, but valued and appreciated the advice and support I've received here on from the forum from those who cared about me. That same TLC you guys gave unto me - I would like to give to Mocha. At least try to.

 

I would like to try some exercises on this thread to see for the last and final time in helping him what we can do is to listen, and then help with the these issues by helping him create ways in out-beating these problems he's always faced with that seems to be on-going.

 

It's at least worth one more try, you guys.

 

Plus, I'll be working with him to help utilize these exercises I have in store for him more in depth. I think it'll be beneficial to him. :D

[bigvalboy]

Hey Guys,Clients: Be honest here - What do you suggest are solutions to help this poor guy with all the many negative dilemma's he's faced throughout the years in escorting you may know of?

What do you all on the forum think Mocha can do for himself to help overcome some of these problems he's faced with clients who've wronged him?

 

Well here's an idea...Stop playing the victim, stop playing the...

 

http://www.pigazette.com/Pig%20images/RaceCardMonopoly.jpg

Courtesy of Daddy.

 

....But of course you won't, because it is just so much easier to do the whole poor me...

[Nvr2Thick]

Clients: Be honest here - What do you suggest are solutions to help this poor guy with all the many negative dilemma's he's faced throughout the years in escorting you may know of?

 

What do you all on the forum think Mocha can do for himself to help overcome some of these problems he's faced with clients who've wronged him?

 

JD,

Many suggestions have been made over time. Recommendations used to be a lot more polite, but now many of us anticipate how our remarks will be received. Look at Maninsoma's comment above. There was really nothing wrong with his question. Surely you can appreciate that "I've listened to guys say they don't pay for sex, because there's so much free stuff going around. How can I do business in a town where people have the audacity to say things like that, and actually believe it?" is a bit off base as an assessment of his client community. Yet bringing up the topic been dismissed as "bullshit." You might review some classic threads to see how Joey/Mocha responds to suggestions and feedback, and how the complaints escalate.

 

By the time we hear a complaint that actually is about clients who've wronged him we've heard a dozen about clients who haven't: Lowball escorts and the clients slumming by not hiring him, guys who hook up with other guys for free instead of hiring escorts, guys who try to make short notice appointments...

 

Seriously, read his many complaints. Aside from the suggestions that we've already made, the best advice we can give is to learn to like your client base and accept the diversity of behavior within that base. If you don't like your customers you're never going to be happy or successful in business.

 

Personally, whenever I face the same challenge again and again it becomes clear that it is me, something in me, not the world that needs to change. The world never changes.

[JDXXX]

Well here's an idea...Stop playing the victim, stop playing the...

 

http://www.pigazette.com/Pig%20images/RaceCardMonopoly.jpg

Courtesy of Daddy.

 

....But of course you won't, because it is just so much easier to do the whole poor me...

 

Who are you referring to BVB? I'm confused here.

[JDXXX]

JD,

Many suggestions have been made over time. Recommendations used to be a lot more polite, but now many of us anticipate how our remarks will be received. Look at Maninsoma's comment above. There was really nothing wrong with his question. Surely you can appreciate that "I've listened to guys say they don't pay for sex, because there's so much free stuff going around. How can I do business in a town where people have the audacity to say things like that, and actually believe it?" is a bit off base as an assessment of his client community. Yet bringing up the topic been dismissed as "bullshit." You might review some classic threads to see how Joey/Mocha responds to suggestions and feedback, and how the complaints escalate.

 

By the time we hear a complaint that actually is about clients who've wronged him we've heard a dozen about clients who haven't: Lowball escorts and the clients slumming by not hiring him, guys who hook up with other guys for free instead of hiring escorts, guys who try to make short notice appointments...

 

Seriously, read his many complaints. Aside from the suggestions that we've already made, the best advice we can give is to learn to like your client base and accept the diversity of behavior within that base. If you don't like your customers you're never going to be happy or successful in business.

 

I will take a look at the past threads, and post just to get an idea of what all was commented. Good Idea.

[bigvalboy]

Who are you referring to BVB?

 

Mocha...

[JDXXX]

Mocha...

 

Oh!!

 

Wasn't sure being you used my previous post as a link