Dear Rentmen.com. I have a question.

[Mocha]

Disclaimer: I could directly email this to the wonderful owners of the rentmen website, but I feel like it's better if it could be addressed amongst the masses.

 

Recently, after going thru emails and texts over the last 3 weeks...I've seen that I've been foolishly engaging in conversation too long: hours and even days, with "clients" who never got around to giving me 1 red cent. Much less a 1 minute chat over the phone to let me know they aren't some 15 year old girl. I'm sick of it. I've decided that it's time to get more phone calls, and less virtual sex.

 

Question: why do majority of people who email me from your site, refuse to follow my instructions to establish an appointment? This has become such a recurrent issue, and frankly I'm considering relinquishing my membership with the site if it does not improve. As much as I applaud rentmen on their nearly flawless interface, I feel the anonymous email exchanges allows people to be very non commital and flaky. I've compiled a couple of real-time emails as proof to what I'm referencing to:

 

MileHiBtm

 

Subject: Denver

Message:

Hi there. Interested in hiring you. Available tonight at all? Sorry, short notice. SE Denver here.

 

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This message was sent by a RentMen client: MileHiBtm@rentmen.com

RentMen.com

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Hi, thanks for response. Please tell me about yourself. What's your name, how long you're looking to have me for, and please confirm donation listed on my ad.

 

So we can continue, give me a call as I require all visitors to confirm over the phone before considering it a bona-fide offer: *** *** ****

 

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Subject: Re: RentMen.com New Message from MileHiBtm

Message:

Sure. Outcall @220/hr. Randy is the name. 44yo masc, single, gay man. Bear I guess they would say. 6'6" tall, 290lbs. (yup, 6ft 6) Im a bottom, and only choose black men as a partner or escort. I am die hard fan of the ebony haha.

Im looking for an hour or two of a very relaxing, genuine time. Not 2 hrs of sex, but talk, kissing, foreplay then make love. Not looking for a slam fuck. Not into bb. Neg and on prep here. I think thats most of what you're looking for, yes?

 

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This message was sent by a RentMen user: http://rentmen.com/MileHiBtm

RentMen.com

 

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Hi there, yes that gives an accurate description of what I'm looking for. So from here, what time frames are you Looking to schedule between either this evening and tomorrow?

 

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Subject: Re: RentMen.com New Message from MileHiBtm

Message:

I would love to meet this evening, 9pm or later. I need to prep/shower. Am free tomorrow from noon on.

So, you are looking for the same things I described? Thats cool. Seems you have a different approach then some. You like the loving/make love/relaxed experience too eh. What part of town are you in. Is your preference in or outcall?

 

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Your concerns are important to me. But at this point, I'm going to have to redirect you to the number on my ad for any further questions and scheduling. All appointments confirmed by phone and not thru the rentmen email system.

 

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Subject: Re: RentMen.com New Message from MileHiBtm

Message:

Happy to call, but not if you aren't able to meet in the times I replied to your emailed question about. No point, eh? Not sure a phone call that wont yield a meeting in the same timeframe meets either of our needs

 

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Subject: Re: RentMen.com New Message from MileHiBtm

Message:

Thank you for your time. Sorry you chose not to respond to my last email about simply verifying the times that would work for you, if they match mine, before I dialed you. You seem to run a tight ship, and I hope you find the types of clients you're looking for.

 

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[Mocha]

All this unnecessary chit chat on his part. This went on for over an hour. He couldn't even be bothered to pick up the phone like a normal person and place an order. It just shows the utter lack of respect either A) the clients of rentmen are attracting or B) people who use their email for bookings have.

 

P.S., I'm not trying to expose anyone, but because these are anonymous rentmen email names, not attached to a real email address, I feel the people in question still remain anonymous.

 

In another email exchange, a client couldn't even be bothered to give me his phone number:

 

jettdog

to me

12 days ago

Details

Subject: Re: RentMen.com New Message from jettdog

Message:

just a very private person and really dont like to give it out unless absolutely necessary. so youll cum inside me too? FFist me?

[Brian Kevin]

Come on Mocha ! I've herd great things about you!!! I think you've over thinking this guy!

 

I don't ask my clients for any pics or stats.... As long as you have my fee I'm going to be into it. I go along with the emails I tell them to text me. I like things to so smooth, I would never swallow my pride, but sometimes you just gonna bite your tongue. Especially when its a client outside of daddies. Clients from daddies (In my experience, you'll see in my new reviews coming) are the easiest types of clients I've experienced. They know what they want.

 

Being an escort is sketchy, yes. You will figure it out, if I'm really uncomfortable-- I'm going to request a 100$ deposit.

[Brian Kevin]

in my experience guys who don't wanna give out their numbers FUCKING SUCK cause its a gamble. I like gambling. SO when this happens I sit outside and wait. I give them a time limit. When that time passed I stand up stick up my middle finger to the parking lot and go back into my hotel room.

[Mocha]

Hey Brian,

 

I get what you're saying. But the thing is, this guy was asking for an appointment tonight...earlier. It's Saturday night. I had a party I wanted to attend to. I was running late because I paused to reply to his bullshit emails that eventually never lead to a goddam thing, with him just writing me off. I would have easily cancelled my going to the party IF he had called. He didn't. That's ALL he had to do.

 

The thing with email...I'll respond. Texts, I'll also respond. But you have to understand where I'm coming from. I have spent anywhere from 3 hours to 3 days emailing and texting people, just to get a room number or their phone number. Only for them to say, "Hurry, hurry, I have a flight at 4 am". I wasted far too much time doing this, when they could just call and we can discuss that within 5 minutes.

 

Again, especially if that person was truly looking for an appointment tonight, what makes him so confident that I would have received that email, read it, responded to it, and him read it all within the time he was looking for tonight? To me, that's just taking chances. Almost like he's kicking tires, window shopping, not trying to do anything. In the meantime, There's no actual email address, physical address, or phone number from him. After an hour of emails. And he's talking about meeting the same night. That's just berserk.

 

Who has time for that? I'm sorry but, my time is valuable. If someone refuses to acknowledge that, then they don't respect me enough as a person and if they can't before we even meet...how much less when we do meet?

[Brian Kevin]

Mocha,

 

May I ask how long you've been escorting? I get times I feel like this. While I was on my first tour, posted on this forum, I had someone start a thread about me. Accusing me of NOT answering my phone and thinking I didn't want money. I receive a dozen or more prank phone calls a week. It's very difficult to weed thru the fakes and reals. There's only 1 way...... To play it out. It fucking sucks. Because no one is going to respect and honor your time like you please. There are clients who will meet right away. Someones bored and fucking with you.

 

This too shall pass baby :*

[Mocha]

Mocha,

 

May I ask how long you've been escorting? I get times I feel like this. While I was on my first tour, posted on this forum, I had someone start a thread about me. Accusing me of NOT answering my phone and thinking I didn't want money. I receive a dozen or more prank phone calls a week. It's very difficult to weed thru the fakes and reals. There's only 1 way...... To play it out. It fucking sucks. Because no one is going to respect and honor your time like you please. There are clients who will meet right away. Someones bored and fucking with you.

 

This too shall pass baby :*

 

I have been escorting since freshmen year in college...but consistently for as long as my "member since" in my profile.

 

Yes, you'd think I'm too old for this nonsense. But the stakes are so high nowadays. It used to be people would call, book, and be done. Or email for ADVANCED dates, set it up, and be done. It's like since iPhones have taken over the world as we know it, people are more content talking about doing stuff rather than actually doing it. And just wasting precious hours and days in the process when it comes down to going thru with scheduling an escort. I'm realizing I can't change them, but I can change myself...and part of that is ensuring every client calls...and not after 150,000 hours of texts/emails have been consumed.

 

I figure the person was likely bored and fucking around, but rentmen has been this way for a long time. I'm only using them because rentboy is gone. Clients from BACKPAGE (yes, backpage) are more quick to call than guys from rentmen. Men4rent clients aren't as pigheaded, but even then some push is required.

 

Mind you...I didn't include the email I sent to the client which did go over the times I have available...in which he never responded to.

[Mocha]

Come on Mocha ! I've herd great things about you!!! I think you've over thinking this guy!

 

I don't ask my clients for any pics or stats.... As long as you have my fee I'm going to be into it.

 

Oh thanks by the way, and good point. I also wanted to mention this. I don't ask for pics, but I do ask for stats. Reason being, I need to have an idea of who's showing up, especially if they are using text or emails to contact me. I don't ask when they call me because I can pick up a lot of things including looks just by the tone of a person's voice. Me asking is a byproduct of the text sensation.

 

Over the years, I just don't like the idea of someone thinking just because they have money, they can just show up or have me show up without a clue of who I'm meeting. Those days are over for me. I need something to go off of. Plus, they need to respect me enough to tell me who they are, and not just talking to some words on a screen. Very few clients get offended about me asking that, though one seemed perplexed. Some have even included photos.

[Brian Kevin]

I apologize I am half awake. i am so tired, I haven't gone to bed yet. Had a 5 hour session last night. I can't seem to relax :'(

[Brian Kevin]

I will check back in the morning and finish our convo. XO night mocah

[mike carey]

Mocha, if you plan to go out for a party or whatever, at the first hint of flakiness tell them that you are busy for the night - not already booked because if you were you wouldn't have even spoken to them - and wish them all the best. Obviously if you get the impression that they are a certain thing and you are prepared to pass on your other plans, go for it!

[mike carey]

As sweet as he is, Brian wouldn't let me get away with giving him the run-around!

[jawjateck]

MileHiBtm sounds sexy.

[Steve9332]

MileHiBtm sounds sexy.

Hi Jawjateck

 

question not related to this post, sorry, but couldnt figure out how to send a message any other way.

On your blog you have a post on Dec 16th, My My My My My,

is that a escort? if so do you have a link to his profile somewhere?

 

thanks

[maninsoma]

I'm really confused why you didn't just state your limitations in your first response. The prospective client asked if you were available that evening. You shared here that you had a party to go to. So your first response could have been, "Yes, I am available this evening any time before ?:00 p.m. Please call me if you would like to schedule an appointment." Then, stop checking messages. No call, no appointment -- but also no bad feeling on your part for having spent time exchange emails with no booking resulting from it. (That being said, I don't really see this guy as wasting your time. His very first message asked about your specific availability. Even when he later said he was looking for an hour or two starting some time after 9:00 pm, you still didn't confirm that you could make that work. Instead, you simply told him to call you in a manner that the prospective client found off-putting. Considering that you frequently complain about clients not following through with making appointments, perhaps this is another opportunity for you to look at how you might be turning away people who are motivated to hire you.

[Mikegaite]

I completely understand what you are saying about time-wasting clients, but how is this Rentmen's fault? I've found Rentmen to be the second-best site for finding non-flaky clients, the best of course being this site.

[sincitymix]

I completely understand what you are saying about time-wasting clients, but how is this Rentmen's fault? I've found Rentmen to be the second-best site for finding non-flaky clients, the best of course being this site.

whats the first best?

[+ honcho]

whats the first best?

 

the best of course being this site.

 

I have the very strong impression Mike means Daddysreviews.com and the Message Forum in which

we are currently participating . . .

[sincitymix]

I have the very strong impression Mike means Daddysreviews.com and the Message Forum in which

we are currently participating . . .

yeah I didn't see this site line. for some reason I stopped reading after second best non flaky

[jawjateck]

Hi Jawjateck

 

question not related to this post, sorry, but couldnt figure out how to send a message any other way.

On your blog you have a post on Dec 16th, My My My My My,

is that a escort? if so do you have a link to his profile somewhere?

 

thanks

 

Look at it again.

[killianjamesnyc]

Whoa whoa, so you're telling me that just because someone emails me or texts me that they are my client? Stop Refering to Everyone who responds to your ad as a client. That seems to be the common theme among escorts. "My client I've never met before stood me up." No dude, that's not a client, that's an asshole. engrave in your mind that until you've met and everyone is happy there is no client/escort relationship.

[Nvr2Thick]

Disclaimer: I could directly email this to the wonderful owners of the rentmen website, but I feel like it's better if it could be addressed amongst the masses.

 

Recently, after going thru emails and texts over the last 3 weeks...I've seen that I've been foolishly engaging in conversation too long: hours and even days, with "clients" who never got around to giving me 1 red cent. Much less a 1 minute chat over the phone to let me know they aren't some 15 year old girl. I'm sick of it. I've decided that it's time to get more phone calls, and less virtual sex.

 

Question: why do majority of people who email me from your site, refuse to follow my instructions to establish an appointment? This has become such a recurrent issue, and frankly I'm considering relinquishing my membership with the site if it does not improve. As much as I applaud rentmen on their nearly flawless interface, I feel the anonymous email exchanges allows people to be very non commital and flaky. I've compiled a couple of real-time emails as proof to what I'm referencing to:

 

MileHiBtm

 

Subject: Denver

Message:

Hi there. Interested in hiring you. Available tonight at all? Sorry, short notice. SE Denver here.

 

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This message was sent by a RentMen client: MileHiBtm@rentmen.com

RentMen.com

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Hi, thanks for response. Please tell me about yourself. What's your name, how long you're looking to have me for, and please confirm donation listed on my ad.

 

So we can continue, give me a call as I require all visitors to confirm over the phone before considering it a bona-fide offer: *** *** ****

 

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Subject: Re: RentMen.com New Message from MileHiBtm

Message:

Sure. Outcall @220/hr. Randy is the name. 44yo masc, single, gay man. Bear I guess they would say. 6'6" tall, 290lbs. (yup, 6ft 6) Im a bottom, and only choose black men as a partner or escort. I am die hard fan of the ebony haha.

Im looking for an hour or two of a very relaxing, genuine time. Not 2 hrs of sex, but talk, kissing, foreplay then make love. Not looking for a slam fuck. Not into bb. Neg and on prep here. I think thats most of what you're looking for, yes?

 

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This message was sent by a RentMen user: http://rentmen.com/MileHiBtm

RentMen.com

 

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Hi there, yes that gives an accurate description of what I'm looking for. So from here, what time frames are you Looking to schedule between either this evening and tomorrow?

 

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Subject: Re: RentMen.com New Message from MileHiBtm

Message:

I would love to meet this evening, 9pm or later. I need to prep/shower. Am free tomorrow from noon on.

So, you are looking for the same things I described? Thats cool. Seems you have a different approach then some. You like the loving/make love/relaxed experience too eh. What part of town are you in. Is your preference in or outcall?

 

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Your concerns are important to me. But at this point, I'm going to have to redirect you to the number on my ad for any further questions and scheduling. All appointments confirmed by phone and not thru the rentmen email system.

 

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Subject: Re: RentMen.com New Message from MileHiBtm

Message:

Happy to call, but not if you aren't able to meet in the times I replied to your emailed question about. No point, eh? Not sure a phone call that wont yield a meeting in the same timeframe meets either of our needs

 

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Subject: Re: RentMen.com New Message from MileHiBtm

Message:

Thank you for your time. Sorry you chose not to respond to my last email about simply verifying the times that would work for you, if they match mine, before I dialed you. You seem to run a tight ship, and I hope you find the types of clients you're looking for.

 

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I understand your reasons for your communication policy, but what I'm reading here in your responses is all business. It's not very friendly. You were as much to blame for the "unnecessary chit chat" because you did not answer questions he asked two or three times. The experience feels kind of like he stepped into the wrong line at the DMV.

 

In his first inquiry he asked if you were available in the evening while recognizing and apologizing for short notice. You redirected him to your expectations for communication and he complied. His reply was not overly chatty, and he read a little deeper into your demands by pleasantly providing you with good information. When you tried to align him to your expectations he followed up on his first question regarding availability, because you never answered it.

 

Yes, he needed to pick up the phone and call you. I'd have some sympathy though if you came across like an escort looking forward to showing him a good time instead of sounding like your customer service department in India. From his point of view you ignored his questions. If you had responded in your first or second reply with something such as "yes, I have some availability this evening, but we're going to have to speak on the phone to see whether we'll be able to meet. Why don't you give me a call?" It wouldn't shock me if he continued to try to communicate in e-mail, but we'll never know. He was either a time-waster or he kept his distance because you seemed to have your own agenda while ignoring the things he needed in order to become comfortable in the first stages of communication.

 

For quite some time we've heard from you about how rude potential clients can be, and how they waste your time with non-serious inquiries. I'm sure it's true. What I see, however, is that you put up a defense when clients do not communicate according to your expectations. There's very little in your replies that would attract me as a client; it's almost all business.

 

In the past I've dealt with escorts who had little tolerance for masturbatory chit chat. They were very good at getting to the point. The difference was that in doing so they were friendly, and that they drew me in with a tone that suggested that we'd have fun together if we worked through the details efficiently. Based on some of your reviews I'd bet that if I called you on the phone I'd become very comfortable with the idea of meeting you. IMO You need to figure out how to align your clients to your standards for communicating without being so stiff.

[+ nycman]

.....The experience feels kind of like he stepped into the wrong line at the DMV..... I'd have some sympathy though if you came across like an escort looking forward to showing him a good time instead of sounding like your customer service department in India.

 

You my friend are brilliant.

 

Joey, please at least TRY to listen to what he wrote.

 

Your business....and your bottom $$$$ line will thank you.

[Mocha]

Whoa whoa, so you're telling me that just because someone emails me or texts me that they are my client? Stop Refering to Everyone who responds to your ad as a client. That seems to be the common theme among escorts. "My client I've never met before stood me up." No dude, that's not a client, that's an asshole. engrave in your mind that until you've met and everyone is happy there is no client/escort relationship.

 

You're mother fucking right. But I use the word loosely to refer to someone inquiring to my services by phone. Old call center lingo. I mean, if I was on my way to a hotel, I'd say I'm on my way to a client. Not on my way to some strange man I never met before and I have to carry a 9 mil in case he turns out cray.

[Mocha]

I completely understand what you are saying about time-wasting clients, but how is this Rentmen's fault? I've found Rentmen to be the second-best site for finding non-flaky clients, the best of course being this site.

 

I didn't mention the archives of other emails from rentmen users over the months who've emailed=flaked. I even read ads on rentmen that say, "calls only, emails ignored". I even read one guys ad in SF that said "if you flake, you better pay for the session you flaked on before I even think about considering you". Now THAT'S A no horse-shittin statement right there. I'll be using that line myself more often.

 

Earlier this year, a "client?" from rentmen emailed me about an appointment in LA. Although I didn't specifically go there for him, I was expecting him to be the first client of my trip. Like a dummy, I foolishly went off without a phone number that he failed to give and I failed to get, only for the conversation to go dead as I tried to get additional info.

 

I give rentmen some credit. I have a few reviews on there, and some clients follow up...Most rentmen clients are either really good, or really flaky. There's no mid ground with that site. Mid ground would be a steady stream of appointments throughout every city in the country regardless if it's big or small and people leave a number with their initial replies like men4rent clients tend to. Otherwise, if someone doesn't trust me with a number...how can I trust them. If they're being sneaky about giving a number, how much more sneaky will they be about other things? Is this a set up? Robbery, sting, or innocuous banter? Or is this person going to be so nervous that everything we spent time discussing, cant be accomplished?