Dear Rentmen.com. I have a question.

[Mocha]

I understand your reasons for your communication policy, but what I'm reading here in your responses is all businesx.

 

Yes, he needed to pick up the phone and call you. I'd have some sympathy though if you came across like an escort looking forward to showing him a good time instead of sounding like your customer service department in India.

 

Ok, one thing I'll admit is in the email from earlier, I did have a CSR tone in it. Purposely. But...you're saying ALL of that, no matter what you say, you can't explain to me why he (or she or it, or God knows) couldn't just pick up the phone and call? I can see if it was an appointment for days or weeks down the line. I have managed those just fine usually. I actually used to enjoy chatting for days and weeks...sometimes even MONTHS with a certain client who would plan an elaborate future session. But when someone is talking about tonight, I want to do what I can to expedite it along. And it's not courteous to me that they are asking for something with urgency, but not using an urgent form of communication. Email is the slowest way to communicate, beneath text.

 

But since you did contribute, I'll actually post the rest of the email conversation. Yes, there were more emails....I didn't want to post them because I wanted to see if maybe I was wrong and things would go on the next day. But alas:

 

To:

 

MileHiBtm

Date:

December 19, 2015, 9:16 PM

 

I responded shortly before your email with the following:

 

The times i have available are after midnight tonight and also tomorrow afternoon anytime as well. It doesn't matter whether it's Incall or out. Call or text to confirm with time and either your address or if coming to me I'm in the zip code of 12345 off maple and cedar lane. At this time, i have to close out this email session and ask that any further questions you can reference back to my website or by phone. Looking forward to some hot fun...-Mocha

 

Now...after this there were emails from this person at 2:48 and 3:42 the next afternoon, and finally just before ten. Mind you, still no phone call as instructed. The final email before I just decided to move on with my life was:

 

December 20, 2015, 9:54 PM

Subject: Re: RentMen.com New Message from MileHiBtm

Message:

I know its almost 10p, but thought Id check. Last night you could meet after midnight. Sorry about today; real life stuff got in the way. Would you let me have another shot?

 

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This message was sent by a RentMen user: http://rentmen.com/MileHiBtm

RentMen.com

[Nvr2Thick]

Ok, one thing I'll admit is in the email from earlier, I did have a CSR tone in it. Purposely. But...you're saying ALL of that, no matter what you say, you can't explain to me why he (or she or it, or God knows) couldn't just pick up the phone and call?

 

I really don't care what transpired in subsequent emails; you had already discouraged your client and run him off.

 

I've explained, though it's admittedly speculation. You did not make him want to call. If the communication was going to head in that direction you discouraged him by being so uncooperative and unappealing. If your CSR tone was purposeful I'd say you're creating your own problems. If the prospective client starts out excited to be calling a hot-looking escort with the hope of having an hot encounter, you throw a wet blanket on that excitement because you want him to communicate in a specific way and to perform penance for all of the bad experience you've had with flakes. What I read into your first interactions with the client was that you had someone who was very interested to be communicating with you, and instead of exploiting that enthusiasm you stifled it.

 

Among both clients and escorts there are different standards for communication. I've dealt with a fair number of escorts who like setting up appointments strictly by e-mail and text, and who don't really like phone calls. How is this guy supposed to know that he's picked one of the escorts who not only expects a phone call, but an escort gets irritated and unfriendly when he can't bully you into calling? It's all perfectly logical to you, but unless this guy has the Joey Bryant installation manual he may not get it. Speculation again, but I bet you could have got this guy to call you within two or three e-mails just by answering his questions and being nice to him.

 

If I had been this client I would have shut down by your second response. If I've asked simple questions and you continue to ignore them to ask your own questions I may assume that it's an attitude that would translate to self-serving and rigid performance in the bedroom. Your CSR tone translates to a lack of respect and lack of interest in your potential client. Any professional initiating engagement with any client should not start on that footing. Every time we talk about these issues and complaints with you, you come back with some form of "but what about them?" For this chosen profession you should be focusing on your own people skills and asking that question far less than you do.

[Mocha]

Nvr2thick, I feel you continuously use your bias about me as the answer to everything i ever speak about. You need to stop lying to yourself and the forum, and just admit that you can't Crack open the heads of everyone who contacts me and find out what their true intent is.

 

Everything you're saying may have some truth, but i look at key words and then the actions that follow. This client said he'd be happy to call, but never called. That's playing games. Also, in one of the emails i didn't post, I even asked for his number. He skirts around the whole question (as you claim i did) and emails me again. Think about it, if he can continue to email me long after i supposedly ran him off...then he would have stopped talking to me after that email.

 

I think you just need to stop being so hypercritical. You seem to be under the illusion that people are all honest, never play games, and they all go into hiring with the intention of doing things that will work for both, instead of just how they want it done. If i was really so cold hearted as you insinuate, i would have cut it off after my first email. Which is what i should have done because instead of following my instruction, he goes on to ask more questions.

 

There also seems to be, a rather unique thing I'm noticing. I see mainly older white men as clients...and being a younger black guy 15-20 years younger, you can't tell me that some of them will come at me with a "I'm boss" approach. It's not because of race necessarily, but the two factors. And I've noticed over these last two years, it's become more and more evident. There's a lack of professionalism I'm noticing from the white clients, and it's a lack of patience, lack of listening and following directions, cancelling, flaking, dishonesty, difficulty committing, etc. The Hispanic clients, especially south Americans are so much more flux and don't play those silly white man games. It's the same in the dating pool and in places like Denver, Phoenix, salt lake city (used to be great) and Minneapolis (also used to be great) it runs rife, trickling right down to the business end. Not saying all people or all the time...but many times. Like i had to pop off on old Bart the other day, there's also good white clients who do vacations with me, dinners, never cancel or flake and have strong morals against it. So I'm not saying white people are all evil. Let's address before we even go down that route.

 

This all begun when Obama was reelected, and really pinnacled since the treyvon and other similar issues were bought to the media. It's like the level of respect and professionalism for young black male escorts has gone out the window and it's evident in the drop off of guys in the business in cities across the country. Florida used to have lots of black escorts, you only see them in south Florida, and non seem to last.

 

So let's stop all this you, you, you. ..and hypothetical liability. There's a real underlying issue, and when sites like rentmen allow such anonymity, it brings out the repressed fantasists.

[Mocha]

I'll even go as far to make an example of everything i said above and how some white clients tend to treat the younger black male escorts like garbage out the dumpster:

 

I have a regular client in my area who has been seeing me for awhile. White guy, but he's also one of the chocoholic ebony lover types. He's bi. But he'll tell me ALL about the $12,000 hunting trips he takes, showed me pictures of a teen girl he's unrelated to and how he bought her a early 2000 year model Audi for her first car, etc, etc. Then told me how he spent $2,000 to fly a dog in from Houston from one of his whores who couldn't afford to keep it anymore.

 

But yet, for a few months i had to stop seeing him because he wouldn't even pay me more than $100-150, despite the sessions being short and quick, he's buying bitches cars and shit, but can't even pay the rent for half a month of the guy who's fucking you. Always being stingy and cheap with me, knowing he has plenty of money but don't even want to see me come up. Rather me go thru life struggling and barely getting by. But only FUCK reason he can come to my place in the first place is because other clients have made ample contributions. I certainly couldn't afford an Incall place off his measly, paltry contributions.

 

It's that kinda cold hard truth, and i think it's time it be exposed. So people realize what is really going on in this life. Instead of just making blanket statements and blaming the person contending with all this bullshit.

[maninsoma]

I'll even go as far to make an example of everything i said above and how some white clients tend to treat the younger black male escorts like garbage out the dumpster:

 

I have a regular client in my area who has been seeing me for awhile. White guy, but he's also one of the chocoholic ebony lover types. He's bi. But he'll tell me ALL about the $12,000 hunting trips he takes, showed me pictures of a teen girl he's unrelated to and how he bought her a early 2000 year model Audi for her first car, etc, etc. Then told me how he spent $2,000 to fly a dog in from Houston from one of his whores who couldn't afford to keep it anymore.

 

But yet, for a few months i had to stop seeing him because he wouldn't even pay me more than $100-150, despite the sessions being short and quick, he's buying bitches cars and shit, but can't even pay the rent for half a month of the guy who's fucking you. Always being stingy and cheap with me, knowing he has plenty of money but don't even want to see me come up. Rather me go thru life struggling and barely getting by. But only FUCK reason he can come to my place in the first place is because other clients have made ample contributions. I certainly couldn't afford an Incall place off his measly, paltry contributions.

 

It's that kinda cold hard truth, and i think it's time it be exposed. So people realize what is really going on in this life. Instead of just making blanket statements and blaming the person contending with all this bullshit.

 

Each client and prospective client is an individual. It doesn't matter to a new prospective client whether you have an ongoing escort/client relationship where the client pays you very little when he presumably can afford more.

 

That being said, your story reminds me of the adage, believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. No, I don't really mean to live by that exactly since I don't think that 100% of people lie 100% of the time. But think about it: Why would someone who supposedly has that much money be unable to pay your normal fee? Unless you believe that he's enjoying exploiting you (in which case, why are you allowing that to occur), the reality is that he probably doesn't have the kind of money he's claiming to have.

 

And, that being said, just because someone chooses to buy someone else a car doesn't mean he owes you anything. If you don't like the fee you've negotiated with him, change it. If he balks and you feel like calling his bluff by refusing to accept less, then take that action.

[Nvr2Thick]

Nvr2thick, I feel you continuously use your bias about me as the answer to everything i ever speak about. You need to stop lying to yourself and the forum, and just admit that you can't Crack open the heads of everyone who contacts me and find out what their true intent is.

 

I have not lied. I have assessed your account, offered opinions, and called out my own speculation. I've never said that I can glean the true intent of your prospective clients; I've been quite clear about my assumptions. I have no bias directed at you. I'm responding to your perpetual complaining and disparaging of your own client base, nothing more. If you pay attention to my posts on this forum you'll find that I call out folks for what I perceive to be poor logic and unjustified complaints. I treat you no differently than anyone who behaves similarly.

 

Everything you're saying may have some truth, but i look at key words and then the actions that follow. This client said he'd be happy to call, but never called. That's playing games. Also, in one of the emails i didn't post, I even asked for his number. He skirts around the whole question (as you claim i did) and emails me again. Think about it, if he can continue to email me long after i supposedly ran him off...then he would have stopped talking to me after that email.

 

You're not paying attention. He asked questions. You ignored his questions and made your own requests. He answered your questions and repeated his, which you once again ignored. I did not "claim" that you skirted around his questions; you provided play by play evidence that you skirted around his questions. I've proposed that if you answer his questions while guiding him to call you, you should have better success than if you ignore his questions and give him stiff responses. You yourself admitted that those responses took on that CSR tone on purpose.

 

I think you just need to stop being so hypercritical. You seem to be under the illusion that people are all honest, never play games, and they all go into hiring with the intention of doing things that will work for both, instead of just how they want it done. If i was really so cold hearted as you insinuate, i would have cut it off after my first email. Which is what i should have done because instead of following my instruction, he goes on to ask more questions.

 

I agree that someone needs to stop being so hypercritical. You wrote the book on hypercritical. Hell - you've blamed entire states for your problems. No, I'm not under the illusion that people never play games. I account for that in most of my replies. I have not insinuated that you are cold hearted; I've assessed the responses you've provided as evidence, and I find them to be far less friendly than responses from escorts I've preferred to deal with. And again, you yourself stated that you took on the tone of a CSR intentionally. I am not mischaracterizing you.

 

There also seems to be, a rather unique thing I'm noticing. I see mainly older white men as clients...and being a younger black guy 15-20 years younger, you can't tell me that some of them will come at me with a "I'm boss" approach. It's not because of race necessarily, but the two factors. And I've noticed over these last two years, it's become more and more evident. There's a lack of professionalism I'm noticing from the white clients, and it's a lack of patience, lack of listening and following directions, canceling, flaking, dishonesty, difficulty committing, etc. The Hispanic clients, especially south Americans are so much more flux and don't play those silly white man games. It's the same in the dating pool and in places like Denver, Phoenix, salt lake city (used to be great) and Minneapolis (also used to be great) it runs rife, trickling right down to the business end. Not saying all people or all the time...but many times. Like i had to pop off on old Bart the other day, there's also good white clients who do vacations with me, dinners, never cancel or flake and have strong morals against it. So I'm not saying white people are all evil. Let's address before we even go down that route.

 

This all begun when Obama was reelected, and really pinnacled since the treyvon and other similar issues were bought to the media. It's like the level of respect and professionalism for young black male escorts has gone out the window and it's evident in the drop off of guys in the business in cities across the country. Florida used to have lots of black escorts, you only see them in south Florida, and non seem to last.

 

I can't possibly weigh in on how race issues affect you. I definitely believe that much of the contentious political tone we see these days is due to overt and subtle racism directed at our black president.

 

I've been hiring for at least 25 years. A majority of the escorts I've hired have been black. I tend to look for take-charge men. As a result I tend to allow myself to be pushed around a bit by all of these strong personalities. The hiring mistakes I've made have been because I've allowed men to take advantage of me during the engagement planning process.

 

Over the past few years we've heard more and more from you about how clients have been rude to you and taken advantage of you. You should ask yourself whether the political climate has affected how white clients now treat you, or whether your own negative attitude toward your client base and your incremental "improvements" to your methods for communicating with clients have caused that change.

 

So let's stop all this you, you, you. ..and hypothetical liability. There's a real underlying issue, and when sites like rentmen allow such anonymity, it brings out the repressed fantasists.

 

Again, I agree that someone needs to stop all this you, you, you ... and hypothetical liability. Through this whole account of the client who wouldn't call you refuse to admit that you could handle the client better, and instead it's him, him, him. The underlying issue is that you just are not well suited to a personal services profession. Your words show your contempt for them, them, them - your client base. Over and over you generalize entire classes with such negativity. Now you've given us a word for word sample of new client interaction, and it is not impressive at all.

 

When faced with these issues your focus is on their behavior and how you defend against it, not on how you can engage better and do better. Successful and happy waiters, car salesmen, massage therapists, life coaches, physicians, hair stylists... like, care about, and respect their client base, and they enjoy finding ways to engage their clients positively. You have announced on so many occasions the complete lack of respect and resentment you have for your client base along with your methods for preventing them from bothering you.

 

True to form though, I've provided feedback about your behavior and you've dismissed it. You believe your behavior is justified because clients are collectively bad and out to take advantage of you. You believe I've provided this feedback because I have some bias against you personally. You win, Joey. You're doing everything right. I'm sorry that white gay men are so hard to deal with.

 

and you should definitely talk to Rentmen about doing a better job of screening the people who view your ad over the Internet and choose to contact you.

[Mocha]

To the above response, it looks long and tedious so I didn't read it. Just to be clear. I'm just going to make sure my Retina doesn't focus over it. I'm just not going to play into your craft because you're always trying to drag me into your bullshit lectures that add absolutely 0 inspiration to the situation at hand. Ask yourself, do you even have my best interest in mind? Because all I'm getting is you want to berate me condescendingly to make yourself look important and get a few likes. I've already been there with you in the past, I'm not going to keep trying to make sense to you. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

Fact of the matter is, it's my business. I didn't come to them, they came to me. You don't go to the lawyers office and dictate to them how they should run their business, or schedule their clients. After the initial email to an attorney, the first thing they'll want to do is speak on the PHONE to do a CONSULTATION. NOT EMAIL FOR HOURS. There's been a couple times in my life where I had to reach out to attorneys. Even though they say "EMAIL, FREE CONSULTATION", most of those mother fuckers NEVER responded to their email. If I did email, they would themselves or have their paralegal call me back. They are going to do it the way they want it done, and if someone doesn't like it, they can keep walking. Attorneys don't fucking play that shit that some of the people who contact escorts do. Just because they think we're uneducated fools we'll deal with a bunch of disrespectful bullshit. Fuck that.

 

Same thing with me. I don't have to allow a client to hold me hostage to their demands, when they are unwavering to my own. Whatever needs to be discussed, can be discussed by phone. If anyone has a problem securing a session over the phone, then clearly it's a trust or insecurity/power trip issue. And that I can do without. I don't have to sell someone to pick up the phone and call me. That's what my ads are for. The reason I got into this job versus some other jobs where I had to sell, sell, sell and convince, is because people come to me. Remember this: at one point there were no emails, and clients had to call. So playing the 500 email quiz game before I give you my number or call you is bullshit. Period, point blank, end of discussion.

 

 

That being said, your story reminds me of the adage, believe none of what you hear and half of what you see. No, I don't really mean to live by that exactly since I don't think that 100% of people lie 100% of the time. But think about it: Why would someone who supposedly has that much money be unable to pay your normal fee? Unless you believe that he's enjoying exploiting you (in which case, why are you allowing that to occur), the reality is that he probably doesn't have the kind of money he's claiming to have.

 

And, that being said, just because someone chooses to buy someone else a car doesn't mean he owes you anything. If you don't like the fee you've negotiated with him, change it. If he balks and you feel like calling his bluff by refusing to accept less, then take that action.

 

I agree on it. It's hard to tell why someone would talk a bunch of shit about money and pretend to not have it to spend. However, I was able to negotiate the fee I originally negotiated with him...and how we ended up at that fee was because at the time I was doing massages and it was just that. Then it turned into more and more each time. That's when I was like...okay wait a minute.

 

You're right that someone who chooses to buy someone a car doesn't owe me anything. But, if they're going to TELL ME about it, knowing I operate with them on a cash money basis for something very intimate, and they can't even do the basic stuff for me...that's being a creep. And that kind of stuff gets people fucked up on the daily. That's probably similar to how Charlie Sheen got outed.

[jimboivyo]

I find it amusing that mocha clearly backs down to kilian

 

awww, someone got a little crush

[seaboy4hire]

Quit beating this dead horse like a fucking piñata. Poor thing never had a chance.

 

Hugs,

Greg

[instudiocity]

"Would you let me have another shot?"

You ignored him when he was begging to see you???

 

 

LMAFO:):rolleyes:

[bigvalboy]

You ignored him when he was begging to see you???

 

 

LMAFO:):rolleyes:

 

Good to see you posting again. Don't be such a stranger. Have a great holiday, out in that warm California sun.

[Nvr2Thick]

To the above response, it looks long and tedious so I didn't read it. Just to be clear. I'm just going to make sure my Retina doesn't focus over it.

 

The cool thing about dismissing what I have to say without reading it AND providing a rebuttal is that you get to control both sides of the discussion. I have read your response. You're no longer arguing with me; you're arguing with what you'd like to believe that I said. I admit defeat.

 

When you masturbate do you develop contempt for your own hand because it tries to take advantage of you?

[wklucas]

The cool thing about dismissing what I have to say without reading it AND providing a rebuttal is that you get to control both sides of the discussion. I have read your response. You're no longer arguing with me; you're arguing with what you'd like to believe that I said. I admit defeat.

 

When you masturbate do you develop contempt for your own hand because it tries to take advantage of you?

maybe joey / jabari sends out 1 of his infamous "cease & desist " directives / orders / errrr, love notes -

 

Perhaps Daddy will sic the Grinch on you if you keep this type of boorish behavior up.

[Guy Fawkes]

I have a Pepperoni and Sausage pizza in the freezer all ready to go!

[seaboy4hire]

I have a Pepperoni and Sausage pizza in the freezer all ready to go!

 

I had a couple inch cut prime rib, nice and pink.

 

Hugs,

Greg

[Mocha]

Please, whoever keeps posting about stuff from the past, grow up. You're on an escort board for advice, information and enlightenment. If you're here trying to dredge up stuff from the past, get out the house and go find yourself. I have absolutely no hard feelings towards daddy and vice versa.

 

I'd like to follow up on this thread, just as proof that a hooker's intuition is always right, and fuck any of you who doubted me otherwise. I contacted rentmen, who was gracious enough to comp me for the wasted emails and time. However, I was informed that the "client" in question wrote a review before (which I have a hard time believing it wasn't either the escort himself or a fuck buddy of the escort). Well, my fucking forgiving ass decides to reach out to him again. I didn't include all emails, but these are the 2 most important ones. After coming to an understanding, and him saying he wants to book an appointment tonight ASAP, this is how it ended:

 

Fucktard:

It would be nice, but you make it feel like we have to have our worth tested by applying via phone to hire you. It's insulting. If you mean it differently, then I'm happy to hear.

 

 

Me: "Hi, I regret that you felt that way. I think my intentions were miscontrued. I was asking to have you phone me because you wanted to book me for the same night. I felt your urgent reply deserved an urgent mode of communication, either text or phone. Recently, a couple clients were unable to experience the session we intended because the email reply came too late, or I didnt have a phone number to reach for additional details needed.

 

I usually say in my ad, "phone for same day appointments, email for in advance". That's not to be insulting, but rather priortize the needs of a same day meeting, while taking the time to respond for something in the future by email."

 

Fucktard: Subject: Re: RentMen.com

Message:

I see. I definitely didn't get that impression. Thanks for clearing it up. I would reconsider meeting you now; and tonight would be perfect. I suppose this means I should text you, eh?

 

Me: "Great, well I'm still up for it myself. It's faster to text me. I'll be available tonight, how long did you still want me for and what is the earliest/latest you'd be available at? I can host my place ***** zip of Pine and cedar, or I can come to you where you said southeast of town?"

 

Fucktard: "I'm sry. A fuck buddy called. We're gonna hook up. It's free so...kinda no brainier. But didn't want to disrespect and blow you off"

 

This disrespectful numpty thinks he wasn't disrespectful?

[stop]

I have been debating on replying as I have tried to not get pulled into these threads. And mocha I hope you take this with the intent intended ... I am offering it as constructive feedback. I was a bit put off on your response to some of the feedback you have gotten on here. You posed a problem on the board which I am assuming the intent was to solicit feedback from the forum but in my opinion when the feedback doesn't support the answer you are looking for you attack the solution or worse the person that gave it.

 

I read your original post and frankly was surprised at what I though was a bit of a rude response by you to the inquiry by a potential client. later after reading some of the subsequent responses I can understand your frustration. that said this is a service industry and your brand is all you have. is this the brand you want? I doubt it is. I will assume because you have been a professional for a little bit that you are successful or fairly successful at this line of work and you hopefully enjoy it. but from reading this thread I wouldn't get that about you. I hope this is just a situation where you feel passionate about something and are having a hard time seeing the forest for the trees. I started a thread on here not long ago about communicating with the pros and wow what an eye opener that was for me. some of the responses from the pros were really harsh. not rude mind you but harsh. my first instinct was to respond and defend my question but after some pros I very much respect responded (Juan, Kevin slater etc) I realized how I was viewing the situation was only through my lens. the whole point of posting the question was to get an answer. if I wasn't willing to listen to the answers, even th ones I didn't like then why did I bother posting the tread?

 

I have attended a ton of HR training and marketing courses in my career and one that has really stuck with me is one I think may help you. it was a course about generations...I work in the service industry and the course taught us how each generation has their own way of doing things, own way of communicating with people, and their own measurement of self worth/success. they course helped us realize as service providers it's not the customers job to learn how to communicate with us, but our job to learn how to communicate with them. (or employee when interacting with staff members). every customer or potential customer is different and we need to be flexible to how we interact with them. the class also dealt with how each generation has learned a certain way of communicating. some people are put off talking on the phones, others dont like texting. our goal is to find a middle ground where both can be comfortable.

 

if I am reading between the lines you have an underlying frustration of flaky people but for the question posed my suggestion is meet the potential client on their terms when coordinating, put them at ease in setting something up. I am not saying put yourself in an uncomfortable place ....and I think there were some very good prior suggestions on ways to nicely get the prospective client to circle back with a phone call but really you are trying to market yourself and bring in business. forcing somebody into your way of communicating may not work for all clients. you may be in a market where that won't fly.

 

I can't tell you the number of times I have wined and dined and spent a small fortune to land a huge account and not get the account or find out they were only using me to get a better deal with their current provider. all I can do is evaluate what I did right, take stock of what I could do better or different next time and move on. if they really piss me off I put their name on a post-it, put it on the heel of my Kenneth Cole shoes and walk around in their name all, day.

 

I wish you well in your business.

[Mocha]

I have been debating on replying as I have tried to not get pulled into these threads. And mocha I hope you take this with the intent intended ... I am offering it as constructive feedback. I was a bit put off on your response to some of the feedback you have gotten on here. You posed a problem on the board which I am assuming the intent was to solicit feedback from the forum but in my opinion when the feedback doesn't support the answer you are looking for you attack the solution or worse the person that gave it.

 

if I am reading between the lines you have an underlying frustration of flaky people but for the question posed my suggestion is meet the potential client on their terms when coordinating, put them at ease in setting something up. I am not saying put yourself in an uncomfortable place ....and I think there were some very good prior suggestions on ways to nicely get the prospective client to circle back with a phone call but really you are trying to market yourself and bring in business. forcing somebody into your way of communicating may it work for all clients. you may be in a market where that won't fly.

 

Thanks, but what you're saying is irrelevent. Clearly the person never had any intent on booking by the mere proof of the email.

 

Here is the deal: I know when someone is full of shit or not. I play this game at work and in my personal life. I dont care what generation the person was born in. Again, as I'll repeat....they came to me, therefore they need to follow the protocol that I have set in place. If they want to be hard-headed and do things their way, I dont have time for all that. And as you seen in the response I made above yours...I wasted precious oxygen, data, and finger movements for someone who was clearly an idiot who didnt deserve my time. And its fucking stupid to even be having a conversation and getting bent out of shape over someone who cant even respect me enough to speak to me on the phone. Men like that are bitches, they're shady as hell, and I'm not going to bow down to their stubborness. I rather be without (their) money than without my sanity and dignity. I often had to E.R./salvage/CPR conversations with first time clients because they wanted to discuss everything by text/email, things get fucking miscontrued, but it was me the bigger man to pick up the phone and call their fucking ass. But a coward would let the phone ring and not answer.

 

No one is forcing anyone into communicating. Wheres the gun? the machete? the bomb? There is none. It's simply a suggestion for them to move things along smoothly. I do agree though theres some markets where men are afraid to pick up the phone to call another man, and personally I'm not too eager to continue serving those markets. If I'm the top in a situation, the bottom needs to be submissive and follow my commands, including calling or giving their number when being asked to call. Otherwise they are being the dom in the scenario which defeats the whole purpose of contacting me.

[Mocha]

I'm going to say another thing too, I'm taking in everything that's been said and I'm not dismissing anyone. Just today this is what I've had to deal with: regular client, no show. New client claiming to be flying in and laying over, no-show/no-call. And of course the above. And all week long it's been similar.

 

Where is the loyalty and integrity anymore? Where is all this evil coming from? I don't know if it's just where I'm at, but this stuff is sickening. You can't expect me to come on the forum all ears listening and in a right frame of mind, when I'm dealing with so much irritating stuff that I have no idea where it's coming from. It doesn't matter how I respond. People aren't living up to their end of things.

 

I don't get many new clients in my area anymore. But it's usually not that hard elsewhere, except the tend seems similar elsewhere. All these hookup apps have created a mentality that is very detachable. This business is almost becoming a joke. It wasn't always like this. It used to be a time when people said they were coming to town, or wanted to book at a certain time, they would do it and you could count on it. Nowadays, I dont know what's wrong with people.

 

And in a time like this, it seems feasible to impliment whatever timewastery protection tactics there is. For example, had someone on the forum recently claim to want to see me sometime this month. Made me answer all these questions and emails, and where is he? Happily posting on the forums, couldn't even be man enough to say anything about his not living up to his end of the bargain. Just a waste of time. That's the kind of stuff that makes a person have to reset the game, and just not give people too much time of day over this internet and smart phones. All the other reasons for not doing what they said they would do is just excuses.

 

Like Lance Navarro said, if someone wants to see you, they'll find a way to do so. All the playing games and bouncing all around like decapitated chickens is a sign of a lack of honesty and commitment....and for most of these guys, without a phone number or physical address, it's totally harmless for them. It's all a game. They don't care about us, it's all about them. It's just for fun, like a game of dominoes or 4square

[jimboivyo]

mocha wasted a ton of time just to 'be right.' congrats, I guess.

[bigvalboy]

Whoa whoa, so you're telling me that just because someone emails me or texts me that they are my client? Stop Refering to Everyone who responds to your ad as a client. That seems to be the common theme among escorts. "My client I've never met before stood me up." No dude, that's not a client, that's an asshole. engrave in your mind that until you've met and everyone is happy there is no client/escort relationship.

 

+1000

[stop]

Mocha, I have to say I am a bit disappointed in your response to me. You respond by saying that my feedback is irrelevant.

 

Thanks, but what you're saying is irrelevent.

 

Then you post a second response which says you are not dismissing anybody.

 

I'm going to say another thing too, I'm taking in everything that's been said and I'm not dismissing anyone.

 

saying my comment is irrelevant is actually the definition of dismissive. Look I get it you are frustrated/angry and that is fine, but it disappoints me that you post a thread and ask advise/for help/feedback but everybody's feedback is argued down by you. There have been lots of constructive feedback by others. You don't have to take the advice just ignore it but why ask advice only to argue with the people trying to help you? It appears to me that really you just wanted to vent which is perfectly fine that is why these boards are here, but my advice was intended to try to help you see another perspective. I don't appreciate you dismissing it outright. Take the advice, don't take it that's up to you but there was no reason to be disrespectful to me in the process.

 

peace

[Mocha]

but everybody's feedback is argued down by you. There have been lots of constructive feedback by others. You don't have to take the advice just ignore it but why ask advice only to argue with the people trying to help you? It appears to me that really you just wanted to vent which is perfectly fine that is why these boards are here, but my advice was intended to try to help you see another perspective. I don't appreciate you dismissing it outright. Take the advice, don't take it that's up to you but there was no reason to be disrespectful to me in the process.

 

peace

 

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[Guy Fawkes]

Mocha, You've been grinched. Perhaps it's only for 12 hours; but it's the thought that counts.

 

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