Change in relationships between clients/escorts

[wisconsinguy]

With what has happened with Rentboy, and what seems to be more negotiating "power" for clients, this is my question: Do you think there will be more frequency with clients seeing the same escort more? It seems like a real possibility since economic arrangements could become an issue. WG2

[+ Truereview]

In the last 3 months I have only stuck to my portfolio. My go-to guys are indeed seeing and benefiting from my higher frequency of visits. I'm not completely closed off to making new acquaintances as long as they prove themselves to be keepers. So I'm observing behavior & rapport far closer than ever with potential companions. However, I'm staying away from making this about power or negotiation. Instead, I'm just raising my own bar on what I expect a companion to deliver. Bluntly stated: The best will rise, the mediocre will fall. I will always pay up for quality, but it better be there.

 

PS- I'm sticking to my portfolio not bc I feel less secure...I'm shamelessly sticking to my portfolio bc I want to see how this plays out in the market and strike at the right time.

[Juan Vancouver]

What do you mean by saying that clients have more negotiating power? Why do you assume this to be the case?

[rguer]

As a guess, the supply has stayed constant, and the demand has gone down because there are fewer ways to find the supply, so price would go down.

 

You could also argue the other way, that demand has stayed constant but supply has gone down, so prices should go up.

[big-n-tall]

Uhm... I really don't think there has been a significant change (since RBs demise) that the client has any more or any less negotiating power. I don't think anything has really changed except maybe the way and the where working guys are contacted. It's been a few months now since RB was taken down and i still see the same rates being asked for.

 

Of course some will stick to their "roster" of guys they see frequently until they feel secure again to reach out to new guys. Besides, if anyone has a roster, then they were already seeing the guy "more."

 

Are you concerned someone you see regularly will have less time for you or are you trying to figure if you can start negotiating with frequent or new hires? As has been written on this forum many times, some negotiate and some won't.

[rvwnsd]

I don't think the negotiating power has tipped at all. Likewise, I don't think the number of places to find escorts has actually changed. Before the shutdown, the majority of escort ads were on Rentboy and a relative handful was on RentMen. Most of the guys who advertised on RentMen also advertised on Rentboy. Now that Rentboy is gone, the number of ads on RentMen has dramatically increased. M4RN has stayed relatively flat.

[+ Truereview]

I don't think the negotiating power has tipped at all. Likewise, I don't think the number of places to find escorts has actually changed. Before the shutdown, the majority of escort ads were on Rentboy and a relative handful was on RentMen. Most of the guys who advertised on RentMen also advertised on Rentboy. Now that Rentboy is gone, the number of ads on RentMen has dramatically increased. M4RN has stayed relatively flat.

 

Incredibly logical and well-stated as usual, RV. The fallacy with fact-based logic is that it doesn't take into consideration ignorance nor public perception.

[wisconsinguy]

What do you mean by saying that clients have more negotiating power? Why do you assume this to be the case?

I read one of the threads yesterday which "they" were talking about, (haggling), over fees. Forgot which one, but I made the assumption they were talking about the current state of affairs as they stand today.

[wisconsinguy]

Uhm... I really don't think there has been a significant change (since RBs demise) that the client has any more or any less negotiating power. I don't think anything has really changed except maybe the way and the where working guys are contacted. It's been a few months now since RB was taken down and i still see the same rates being asked for.

 

Of course some will stick to their "roster" of guys they see frequently until they feel secure again to reach out to new guys. Besides, if anyone has a roster, then they were already seeing the guy "more."

 

Are you concerned someone you see regularly will have less time for you or are you trying to figure if you can start negotiating with frequent or new hires? As has been written on this forum many times, some negotiate and some won't.

It was really an interest question. I am not concerned about my "regular" in any way. WG2

[Juan Vancouver]

I read one of the threads yesterday which "they" were talking about, (haggling), over fees. Forgot which one, but I made the assumption they were talking about the current state of affairs as they stand today.

 

I can't speak on behalf of anyone else, but I have not noticed a pronounced change. It took perhaps two weeks for clients to migrate to the other websites but business is pretty much the same.

 

If anything, I am getting a more first timers as opposed to long time hirers. In my experience, these kind of clients tend to not even think a negotiation is possible, so if anything I have experienced the opposite.

 

Variations have been negligible, though. It's pretty much business as usual.

[rvwnsd]

I read one of the threads yesterday which "they" were talking about, (haggling), over fees. Forgot which one, but I made the assumption they were talking about the current state of affairs as they stand today.

 

There have been countless threads over the years about prospective clients attempting to haggle fees. This is not a new phenomenon. The prospects who tried haggling before the Rentboy shutdown will continue to haggle and those of us who do not haggle won't. Likewise, the escorts who were willing to haggle prior to the shutdown will continue to be willing and those who weren't won't.

[Juan Vancouver]

Yep. What Rvwnsd said.

[Guy Fawkes]

Let me make sure I've get it right; I can spank you but I don't dare put my tongue in your ear?

 

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(Of course it's a negotiation, the person that can say "No" is the person in control. Wait, you mean both of you can say: "No." Boy that sure ruined the power trip! )

 

(All those that want to meet Juan, be prepared to swoon. My understanding is that he is a manly man with a wonderful low voice, and dark eyes that you can get lost in for days. Come to vegas baby, we'll negotiate where to have lunch.)

 

I can't speak on behalf of anyone else, but I have not noticed a pronounced change. It took perhaps two weeks for clients to migrate to the other websites but business is pretty much the same.

 

If anything, I am getting a more first timers as opposed to long time hirers. In my experience, these kind of clients tend to not even think a negotiation is possible, so if anything I have experienced the opposite.

 

Variations have been negligible, though. It's pretty much business as usual.

[Juan Vancouver]

Come to vegas baby, we'll negotiate where to have lunch.)

 

That's the only think we will negotiate. After that, my only safe word will be "Yes, please!"

 

My heart belongs to Daddy.

 

And yes, fuck. I am way overdue.

[Guy Fawkes]

I know a little hole in the wall restaurant where a lot of Mixed Martial Arts fighters like to eat lunch at. It's right at the end of the main runway for McCarran. You get to watch big planes come straight for you and hunky men walk by you. (Like my negotiation so far?)

 

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That's the only think we will negotiate. After that, my only safe word will be "Yes, please!"

 

My heart belongs to Daddy.

 

And yes, fuck. I am way overdue.

[+ deej]

I know a little hole in the wall

 

Oh, honey, we know. We know.

[JDXXX]

Oh, honey, we know. We know.

 

LOL. Very funny, Deej

[+ Keith30309]

There have been countless threads over the years about prospective clients attempting to haggle fees. This is not a new phenomenon. The prospects who tried haggling before the Rentboy shutdown will continue to haggle and those of us who do not haggle won't. Likewise, the escorts who were willing to haggle prior to the shutdown will continue to be willing and those who weren't won't.

 

I concur - I don't thing you can apply macro concepts in this scenario.

This shifting of channels among RM/RB/M4M/A4A/etc doesn't matter nearly so much as the availability of experiential data such as that found in these forums, review information, word of mouth, etc. So long as the cream can rise to the top and the scammers & lousy providers be made known, the financial element remains undisturbed. If someone is looking for a Nordstrom experience they will be able to find it via the free-flow of information and the cost is fairly inelastic, in my view. I'd see that as a win/win.

On the other hand, if information is lacking and clients are unable to find the person for the experience they are looking for - you don't know if you're going to get a Nordstrom experience or a Walmart (or worse) experience - then caution prevails and hiring is suppressed. In other words, I don't know if I'm going to open my door and find an EOY or a meth addict and therefore I hire no one. A lose/lose.

[+ Funguy]

That's the only think we will negotiate. After that, my only safe word will be "Yes, please!"

 

My heart belongs to Daddy.

 

And yes, fuck. I am way overdue.

 

And while you are down this way, sort of, come by and stop in LA!

[+ Truereview]

I concur - I don't thing you can apply macro concepts in this scenario.

This shifting of channels among RM/RB/M4M/A4A/etc doesn't matter nearly so much as the availability of experiential data such as that found in these forums, review information, word of mouth, etc. So long as the cream can rise to the top and the scammers & lousy providers be made known, the financial element remains undisturbed. If someone is looking for a Nordstrom experience they will be able to find it via the free-flow of information and the cost is fairly inelastic, in my view. I'd see that as a win/win.

On the other hand, if information is lacking and clients are unable to find the person for the experience they are looking for - you don't know if you're going to get a Nordstrom experience or a Walmart (or worse) experience - then caution prevails and hiring is suppressed. In other words, I don't know if I'm going to open my door and find an EOY or a meth addict and therefore I hire no one. A lose/lose.

 

+1 on this. The comparison to higher end stores is a good one.

 

These stores consider every transaction a brand experience...an extension of a relationship and a commitment to a very specific vision they seek to attain on behalf of their customers. As a customer, I judge every brand impression very carefully when it comes to companions. I don't expect stores nor companions to be perfect, they will mess up ( I know I do!) , but here is the lesson from retail that we can all learn from...when you mess up, it is all in the recovery!

 

I recently had a companion delay his arrival due to traffic. This guy is always punctual. He kept me in the loop and I knew it wasn't his fault...it is LA after all. His last text before arrival said: "babe, going to run an additional 10 minutes late." He showed up exactly 10 mins later. He had my driver stop at our favorite Mexican bakery and brought us pan dulce for breakfast! Now, that's a brand impression with flawless recovery, gents!