Importing a Czech Kid??

[DavidGartner]

How hard is it for someone from this country to get a visitors visa? What would the requirements be? Ive looked ALL around I cant seem to find it and I know alot of you are very world travelled and am SURE must have fancied a boy from a European country and thought the same thing... so whats the feedback?

[Michael]

You mean how difficult is it for a Czech citizen to get a visa to visit the United States?

 

Getting a visitor's visa shouldn't be too difficult provided that the person applying for the visa can demonstrate that they are visiting for a short period of time, have no intention of staying permanently in the US, and have sufficient funds to support themselves while in the US.

 

See:

http://travel.state.gov/getting_vistors_visa.html

http://www.usembassy.cz/consular/nonimv1.htm

http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/tempbenefits/index.htm

http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/tempbenefits/BusPleasure.htm

for details.

 

If you want to get someone into the US *permanently* and legally you would be well advised to consult a good immigration attorney who can explain all of the possible options to you.

(warning, this process will not be cheap, easy or fast)

[Guest showme43]

I'd like to "import" Lukas Ridgeton

:9

[Guest Utopia]

Will he be a guest at your birthday party or will have have to pay $1,500. to chill with the models?

[Luv2play]

Unless I'm mistaken, you are a Canadian who spends a considerable amount of time in the US. As a Canadian, you benefit from the fact that Canada is exempt from many of the visa requirements citizens from other countries must comply with when travelling to the US. Your "kid" from the Czech Republic will not be exempt from these formalties.

 

Since 9/11, these requirements have been tightened up, as you are no doubt aware. Fingerprinting and photos are required, and background checks at the consular office in Prague are more rigorous than previously. While these procedures are ostensibly aimed at catching would-be terrorists before they arrive on US territory, they also serve to filter out those who are not LEGITIMATE tourists to the US, such as those who wish to work under the table in the US.

 

I point this out merely to warn you that things have changed for most folks who wish to travel to the US, except for us fortunate Canadians. Of course, even Canadians are expected to respect the rules of "visitors" visas (i.e. no working in the US). Those who are caught breaking these rules face unpleasant consequences, are you are no doubt aware.

[Guest Tristan]

So would a lot of people - and Johan Paulik and a many of the Bel Ami boys. So you have to ask yourself: Do you have more $$$ than George Duroy?

[Guest showme43]

sadly....no ;(

[Trixie]

Oh golly, I had two ethiopian guys I wanted to import into the US after visiting that country! Purely for platonic reasons, of course!

 

If you want to help your friend get here on a visitor's visa, you gonna hafta shell out da cash! You have to make it look like he's got a "decent" job to go back to in La Czech Republic, "enough" money for his stay in the US, a round trip ticket, not to mention the fairly steep fees our country charges foreigners for the privelege of setting toesies on God-Bless-

America-Give-Me-Your-Huddled-Masses-BUT- SHOW-ME-THE-MONEY!!!!!!! ...US soil.

 

La Trix

[Guest tango]

I understand your impulse quite well. I attempted something similar last year and, being "among thieves", I'll share my relevant foolhardiness.

 

I visit the Czech Republic 1-2X a year, and wanted to check out the fabled old part of the central train station, known to be the warren of Czech boy prostitutes. (By the way, Lukas R. and Johan P. are both Slovaks, not Czechs; to them this matters.) At first I couldn't see any possibilities, but--as you will understand--I was diligent and didn't give up. Soon I turned a corner and saw a young man smoking, watching repairs being done to a piece of machinery. His energy impressed me as straight, but he was so devastatingly handsome that I turned my head to look at him again after I'd passed. That's when he shot me an electric ray of a glance and I knew he was working. I could hardly believe it! A primary turn-on kind of guy for me and available for hire NOW!

 

At first I was anxiously evasive, uncertain, this would be the first time I'd ever hired someone of any sex for sex; but now he was diligent and didn't give up. At one point he even posed himself against a column in the time-honored body language of the Roman slave market. Terrific! (I also confess I find smoking sexy in beautiful boys; a retro aesthetic, I guess!) So, thanks to his expertise, we ended up walking in tandem and I had just enough guts to ask--with a dry throat--whether he spoke English.

 

That's how it all began. It lasted from maybe October '02 through September '03 when I placed charges against him for theft. I'll

never know what was true and what was false in what he told me,

but in the end, I'd say he was a beautiful barely-bi sociopath and

I was his patsy. Perhaps that's too strong because I think that

gorgeous guy is too screwed up to have only one motive. For

instance, he probably has father thing for older guys, but in the end I was his victim.

 

I sent him lots of $ to pay his bills, visited him half a dozen times, we spoke at least once a day, took a trip to

Paris together, and planned several times for him to come to the US and live with me. We figured we'd find a way... Maybe get a lesbian

friend to go through a sham marriage for us.

 

Anyway, the last time I saw him was when I was falling asleep in our hotel room in Prague, the day before we were supposed to fly back to the US--together at last. I now think he'd purposely kept us up late so that I'd conk out the next morning. He gave me a big kiss, said he was going out for cigarettes, and asked me whether I wanted anything... And was gone.

 

He wouldn't take 'phone calls when I woke up and realized what he

had done. God damn mobile 'phones! They make it so easy for people to lie about where they are! Anyway, he'd ripped me off under my very nose--took my cash and my debit card [having observed me enter my password the night before]--and my denial was dead. For this latter offense I pressed charges with the Czech police who were nuts to deal with but took the charges quite seriously. I was able to appear before a judge before I flew out, which furthered my case. I had sent him thousands of $ voluntarily--conned before--but the direct theft warranted a legal-judicial response in my opinion. I wouldn't blame him for my being a fantasy-blind, middle-aged guy madly attracted to him. But I paid for my dream, believe me.

 

Unbelievably, he wrote me two e-mails and called me two times several months afterwards, apparently after the police had paid him a visit and when he was low on $ again. He said such things as that

he didn't know why he did what he did, but that when he sees other people's cash he just takes it... How could he pay me back, he wrote,

when I didn't respond to his calls or e-mails? I had finally learned that the only time I could have power in our relationship was when it was off.

 

I didn't return his efforts at re-manipulation. However, through

a peculiar circumstance not worth describing here--I wonder if this is HooBoy's longest Message Board entry ever?--I learned that a

few months later he broke into the office of a small hotel in Pilsen and stole the equivalent of $2000US, quite a sum over there. So this beautiful young man who, I'm confident, had a really rotten upbringing, is doing everything right to make sure his life stays rotten. I'm mildly angry with him, but I also feel very sorry for him. And, Nature being what it is, I still desire him.

 

So, that's my import-a-Czech-boy story. Hope it helps someone else.

[Luv2play]

I found your story interesting although I'm not sure you can assume that hustler had an awful upbringing. You can find manipulators who had perfectly fine parents and yet the only way they feel they can get ahead is by screwing anyone they think will serve their purpose.

 

I had a similar relationship with a chap from eastern Europe quite a few years ago now, not long after the wall came down, but I bailed before he did serious damage to my bank account. I balked when he tried to get me to countersign a lease on an expensive apartment that he and a girl (friend) would share LOL!

 

These kind of relationships always reminds me of the expression "Why buy a cow when milk is so cheap!" With an escort, you know in advance how much you are going to lay out for the pleasure of his company. If you enjoy the experience, repeat it as often as you want (and your bank account will permit). But when you let a hustler twist you around his little finger, WATCH OUT! You're about to go on a very expensive trip!x(

[VaHawk]

What about your own visa situation? Did you ever get that worked out, as by your own admission several months ago, you were taking your expired visa very "light heartedly"?

 

If your own situation is not up to 100% legally, and you are thinking of intervening on behalf of this Czech boy, then perhaps you should rethink, or else you might just find yourself deported back to Canada.

 

Just mo, but the very fact that you are Canadian, has worked to your benefit as far as your illegal visa status goes. Unless you are now legal, if I was you, I certainly wouldn't "press my luck". Canada and Mexico are so far, the last two countries with leeway to the USA, but imo, that is not going to last forever. Take care and best wishes.

[woodlawn]

>I wonder if

>this is HooBoy's longest Message Board entry ever?

 

Not nearly the longest. However, everything in your post can be summarized by saying that it's foolish to trust people whom you know are involved in crime. What is it that makes so many people who post here believe that someone who makes a living from prostitution is going to be a paragon of honesty and integrity when it comes to everything else?

[trilingual]

>it's foolish to trust people whom

>you know are involved in crime. What is it that makes so many

>people who post here believe that someone who makes a living

>from prostitution is going to be a paragon of honesty and

>integrity when it comes to everything else?

>

Well, that certainly is projecting U.S. values onto everyone else in the world!

 

Is prostitution illegal in the Czech Republic? It isn't illegal here in Brazil, so no crime is involved, and most of the guys I've run into who are professional sex workers are honest. As in any profession, there are bad apples, but they've been the exception, not the rule, in my experience. The same is true for most of the other M4Mers who've posted here.

 

This isn't to say that some of the guys here in Brazil may not be greedy or beyond trying to take advantage of a client's generosity, but thievery is not common-place.

 

I'm sure the situation in Brazil can be extrapolated to Prague or New York. Some of the escorts are rip-off artists, but the great majority aren't.

[woodlawn]

>>it's foolish to trust people whom

>>you know are involved in crime. What is it that makes so

>many

>>people who post here believe that someone who makes a living

>>from prostitution is going to be a paragon of honesty and

>>integrity when it comes to everything else?

 

>Well, that certainly is projecting U.S. values onto everyone

>else in the world!

 

It is? I had no idea that the US is the only country in the world that criminalizes prostitution. Well, you learn something every day.

 

>Is prostitution illegal in the Czech Republic?

 

I don't know. But if it is a legal and respected occupation, why would the author of that post need to go looking for hookers at a train station?

 

>I'm sure the situation in Brazil can be extrapolated to Prague

>or New York. Some of the escorts are rip-off artists, but the

>great majority aren't.

>

 

Thanks for giving us yet another example of the tendency of posters here to state as universal rules assumptions they've made based on nothing but their own experiences and those of a tiny number of others. We really didn't have enough examples of that sort of nonsense.

[trilingual]

>>>it's foolish to trust people whom

>>>you know are involved in crime. What is it that makes so

>>many

>>>people who post here believe that someone who makes a

>living

>I had no idea that the US is the only country in the

>world that criminalizes prostitution. Well, you learn

>something every day.

 

Nothing like claiming I said something I didn't to avoid dealing with the issues. I never said the U.S. is the only country that criminalizes prostitution. Other countries do, too. But I suspect that such countries are the minority, although I've never seen a chart showing which countries do and don't permit legal prostitution.

 

>>Is prostitution illegal in the Czech Republic?

>

>I don't know. But if it is a legal and respected occupation,

>why would the author of that post need to go looking for

>hookers at a train station?

 

Because that's where the hookers work? Prostitution isn't illegal in Brazil or Argentina, yet there are prostitutes who work the streets, the highways, the bars, etc. I guess they go where they expect to find customers, like any other good businessperson! If there were customers at the trains stations, they'd be there, too! (Actually, in Buenos Aires there ARE customers at the train stations. I've been one myself!)

 

>>I'm sure the situation in Brazil can be extrapolated to

>Prague

>>or New York. Some of the escorts are rip-off artists, but

>the

>>great majority aren't.

>>

>

>Thanks for giving us yet another example of the tendency of

>posters here to state as universal rules assumptions they've

>made based on nothing but their own experiences and those of a

>tiny number of others. We really didn't have enough examples

>of that sort of nonsense.

 

The milk of human kindness runs thinly through your veins, I see. Where is the evidence that the vast majority of people everywhere (sex workers included) AREN'T basically honest and decent people? If the opposite were the case, civilization around the globe would have long ago ceased to exist, because it's impossible to maintain any kind of organized society when the majority of the people don't follow any rules. Theft, for example, is seen as corrosive in virtually every society. So thieves are exceptions, and not the rule. The vast majority of people AREN'T thieves. But that's the world I live in. In your world, evidently, it's everyone for themselves and life must be nasty, brutish and short. I'm SO glad I don't live there!

[Guest skrubber]

<I'd like to "import" Lukas Ridgeton >

 

So would I.

 

Everybody loves Backa Baa,

[Guest tango]

I'm really surprised at how judgmental the

responses have been to my posting. I felt I

was sharing an unfortunate experience, but

there doesn't seem to be much ability to

empathize or identify with my situation,

both of which I would have anticipated.

 

I'm glad I don't judge myself for it and, while

taking full responsibility for my choices,

have compassion for myself. I also have

compassion for the poor guy who victimized

me and wish him the best.

[JamesK840]

>I'm really surprised at how judgmental the

>responses have been to my posting.

 

Sorry, that's our vocal minority. I'm sure *many* people found your post interesting and informative, and would love to read more about your experiences in Eastern Europe, especially as relates to this web site!

 

How hard was it to get all the visas and paperwork in order, how much did it cost? Probably a lot harder to do now?

 

Occasionally there's been a link posted to site by a guy that lives over there, hopefully somebody will re-post it if you haven't seen it... It's about the hustlers in the stations, they sound beautiful but often drug addicted and unstable, much like the street hustlers here in Hollywood (but usually minus the beautiful!).

 

Are there other ways you could have met a more stable person, i.e. escorts or even dating...? A way to meet someone that would realize the value of what you'd offered...? Of course, that could just be someone that realizes how much money he could drain from you over the long term...

 

>... I was sharing an unfortunate experience, but

>there doesn't seem to be much ability to

>empathize or identify with my situation,

>both of which I would have anticipated.

 

I'm sure there is, especially among regular posters to the south of the border (aka Brazil) forum and Europe forum (take a look if you haven't yet), but those people just haven't responded yet.

[woodlawn]

>>I had no idea that the US is the only country in the

>>world that criminalizes prostitution. Well, you learn

>>something every day.

 

>Nothing like claiming I said something I didn't to avoid

>dealing with the issues. I never said the U.S. is the only

>country that criminalizes prostitution. Other countries do,

>too.

 

Then why did you accuse me of imposing "US values" on the rest of the world? If other countries criminalize prostitution also then your statement makes absolutely no sense.

 

>But I suspect that such countries are the minority,

>although I've never seen a chart showing which countries do

>and don't permit legal prostitution.

 

Then what is the basis of your suspicion? I fail to see the point of making such statements when the fact is you have no idea whether or not they have any connection to reality. Why do you do it?

 

>>>Is prostitution illegal in the Czech Republic?

>>

>>I don't know. But if it is a legal and respected

>occupation,

>>why would the author of that post need to go looking for

>>hookers at a train station?

 

>Because that's where the hookers work?

 

But why? If an occupation is legal and respectable why do people need to pursue it in the sort of clandestine manner the post author described? That doesn't make sense.

 

>>Thanks for giving us yet another example of the tendency of

>>posters here to state as universal rules assumptions they've

>>made based on nothing but their own experiences and those of

>a

>>tiny number of others. We really didn't have enough

>examples

>>of that sort of nonsense.

 

>The milk of human kindness runs thinly through your veins, I

>see.

 

I don't think I should have to put up with a lecture on "kindness" from someone like you, who once said that you prefer hiring prostitutes in Brazil to hiring "fucked-up, overpriced young men" here in America. You shouldn't criticize others for failing to have qualities that you yourself do not possess.

 

>Where is the evidence that the vast majority of people

>everywhere (sex workers included) AREN'T basically honest and

>decent people?

 

I could quote a lot of sources of such evidence, but why don't you start by reading "Hitler's Willing Executioners -- Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust" by Goldhagen? Let me know when you're done with that and I'll recommend several more.

[woodlawn]

>I'm really surprised at how judgmental the

>responses have been to my posting.

 

Why are you surprised? In your own post you described your actions as "foolhardy," didn't you? Does it surprise you that people would agree with your own characterization of your own actions? Were you expecting people to argue with you and say "No, you were not foolhardy, your actions were perfectly reasonable"?

 

 

>I felt I

>was sharing an unfortunate experience, but

>there doesn't seem to be much ability to

>empathize or identify with my situation,

>both of which I would have anticipated.

 

I've never been a sex tourist, so it's a little hard for me to identify with someone who does that. I believe there are some other posters who've been in that position, however, and they're free to chime in.

 

>I'm glad I don't judge myself for it and, while

>taking full responsibility for my choices,

>have compassion for myself.

 

I'm sorry you were robbed, but if you learned how foolish it is to confuse meretricious relationships with real ones and to trust the integrity of people involved in crime, then perhaps the experience was not a total loss. If you have learned those lessons then you are way ahead of a lot of the people who post here.

 

> I also have

>compassion for the poor guy who victimized

>me and wish him the best.

 

Was it "compassion" that motivated you to go to the police in an attempt to have him arrested? That seems rather an odd way to express compassion.

[+ Lucky]

"Was it "compassion" that motivated you to go to the police in an attempt to have him arrested? That seems rather an odd way to express compassion.'

 

Having the kid arrested could have been the best thing for him, and indeed would have been compassionate. Woody, your opinion on the Czech bounced!

[Barry]

>Occasionally there's been a link posted to site by a guy that

>lives over there, hopefully somebody will re-post it if you

>haven't seen it... It's about the hustlers in the stations,

>they sound beautiful but often drug addicted and unstable,

>much like the street hustlers here in Hollywood (but usually

>minus the beautiful!).

 

Here's the link. http://www.skinback.com/rentboys/

 

Barry

[Guest tango]

Thanks so much, JamesK840. I really

appreciated what you said. I'm

impressed with so much of the writing

on the Message Center--as opposed to the

silliness of chatrooms or the

trivialities of other message boards--and

now I'll look forward to other voices.