Coming to the DC Lunch? Clients please read

[+ purplekow]

Thanks Zip for the shout out.

This thread was started in order to simplify the payment of the check at the end of luncheon.

Those men who are coming are aware of the tradition that clients treat. I have not heard anyone say that they are not coming because of that. I have not heard anyone say that they cannot afford the additional cost.

So, i assume that some the discussion is theoretic, some is related to a personal situation and some is just pot stirring.

 

So, pot stirrers, continue to post as you will. After all, I am Charlie. But if you are coming, Baron?, please let me know that you do not wish to contribute and i will calculate the bill accordingly. If there is a personal situation and the extra cost is preventing you from coming, PM me and perhaps we can discreetly make arrangements to allow you to have a nice afternoon talking with some handsome, vibrant and sexy men and some escorts.

[BaronArtz]

Dear PK - thank you for your thoughtful post. As I said above, I very much appreciate you putting in substantial efforts in making this lunch a success. Thank you for your invitation to attend but, regrettably, I will not be able to make it.

[+ purplekow]

Dear PK - thank you for your thoughtful post. As I said above, I very much appreciate you putting in substantial efforts in making this lunch a success. Thank you for your invitation to attend but, regrettably, I will not be able to make it.

Perhaps next year. i have not done anything to organize this by the way. i merely offered to help collect the funds at the end of lunch or during. i figured that was a good way to get to talk with all the other clients and to escorts who may feel as you do Baron. i hope you enjoy your weekend as much as we hope to enjoy the luncheon.

[shadowcatzxxx]

when and where is this luncheon? sounds like fun ... wonder if I might be able to make it.

 

Probably not ... but a guy can dream, right?

[marylander1940]

I will out of town during MLK weekend....

[Dave]

“clients chip in and cover the lunch” is a tradition that dates back to the start of the dc luncheon. I didn’t start it and I don’t push it and I don’t disagree with it (although I have to admit, I have eaten it... LOL).

 

I’ve jumped into this to organize the luncheon for 2015. this doesn’t mean I’ll be doing it in 2016 or 2017... I just thought it needed to run again, and I was able to commit to pulling it together. while some things needed to be re-worked because businesses we’ve previously used over the weekend have had some changes, I didn’t set out to rework the entire experience. I’m sorry that I didn’t mention the “clients chip in and cover lunch” tradition from the get-go; I quite honestly had other things on my mind.

 

having said all that, I can suggest that if people want to re-format the luncheon for the future, they do so - by all means. anyone who wants to take on payment reforms for future luncheons should feel free to chime in. it’s an egalitarian forum, and it’s an egalitarian luncheon. however, for this year, I’m going to suggest that at this late point, we keep things the way they have been. we are one week out from the event, so as organizer of it, I’m going to urge every attendee to honor my suggestion.

 

we are all busy people. I don’t want this to become one more thing to deal with, for any of us. I recently received a message from one of the (long-term) attendees, who stated that he would pick up the tab for all the escorts, simply to settle this issue - with the condition that his name be anonymous to others.

 

I was blown away by his generosity. I know why he wanted to do this - obviously not for recognition, but because he wants to make sure this event continues to be fun, without stress or worry, for everyone attending. however, I cannot let him do this. because in addition to his offer, he told me this:

 

“...It will be a bit of a strain for me, but I can handle the sacrifice. It will just mean the funds I set aside to hire a couple of guys from the lunch will not happen for me. Bummer, but I can deal with that on my own.”

generosity? sure, I’m down with that.

the thought of this guy skipping a few future hires to do this? well, that’s where I draw the line. escorts and the people who hire them are SUPPOSED to be together. the luncheon is one example of escorts and clients being together, but we all know that a one-on-one hire results in two people LITERALLY being together. so again, I’m putting my organizer hat on and saying “no.” although you, my friend, are being very generous, I am not going to have you sacrifice that for this luncheon.

 

...and this evening, I called him and told him just that.

 

I didn’t call Countryboywny, and haven’t been in touch with Leigh.Bess.Toad recently, although I feel I know them both well enough to make this leap: I’m going to start an alliance for this year’s luncheon payments, with Countryboywny and the above guy, whom I’ll call The Generous Long-Term Attendee (although countryboywny is also a very generous, long-term attendee). the three of them, plus myself, will cover any escort’s portion that a client doesnt want to cover. if you’re reading this and you’re a client already plannning to come to this, just send me an email (not a private message, please - use my email address, or phone me) and tell me that you don’t want to pay for an escort’s lunch. at that point, I do not want to get into a discussion about it; the three of us (along with LBT's help) will find ways to cover that expense. in this way, we can all move on to the real matter at hand: having fun meeting each other.

 

speaking of which, I am super-excited to see everyone - escorts and clients; those who are comfortable with the “paying for lunch” tradition and those who want to see it change to a different system; those who are previous luncheon attendees and those who are newbies; those who are calm meeting this group and those who are nervous - yes, all of you! it’s one week from Sunday - and it’s going to be great.

 

shadowcatzxxx, hope you can make it.

 

kiss,

Dave

[+ quoththeraven]

I'm a newbie, I hadn't particularly thought about who pays for what, and I was a little surprised at first because the tradition hadn't been mentioned. But when I thought about it, here's what I came up with:

 

1) An escort (or escorts) coming to the lunch with a client as part of a hire would normally have his (or their) lunch paid for by the client. In fact, I assumed the check would be divvied up this way.

 

2) That means the question is what happens with those escorts who aren't there as a client's guest. Considering most of the escorts aren't local, most of them are probably coming to the luncheon on spec to meet people and spread goodwill, and therefore are out the cost of transportation and lodging unless a client hires them spontaneously after the lunch and that the lunch is meant to encourage no pressure, casual mingling of the two groups, clients paying for the escorts is (a) not a big financial hit and (b) a kind and generous recognition of their importance to the well-being of the community. Without the escorting profession, there would be no reason for the luncheon. This is a small way to recognize that.

 

Frankly (and that usually prefaces me being really blunt about something some subset of readers aren't going to like), the attitude that escorting is just a business like a regular old corporate business you might deal with at work and therefore the norm for other business activities apply (like "let them pay for their own lunch, they can write it off on their taxes") just strikes me as incredibly petty and churlish and a complete failure to recognize some of the unique nature of sole proprietorships in businesses that operate in the shadow of discretion for legal and other reasons. That includes the operating on spec nature of some of these trips. Look at the thread on getting burned by cancellations while traveling if you don't believe me.

 

Besides which, as Dave points out, this is an awfully late date to change things. And what effect do you think changing this would have on the number and quality of the escorts who are there? Guys, what paying for an escort's lunch does for you is provides a smorgasbord of escorts to meet. The smorgasbord is going to have fewer offerings if you nickel and dime this.

 

Just my two cents (or less) worth here.

[+ quoththeraven]

Wait so some guys are actually being serious on not wanting to chip in for a lunch? A fed escort is a happy escort. I can't wait to order

 

Okay, so you reduced several sentences of mine to seven words. "A fed escort is a happy escort." How's that for a slogan for the luncheon?

 

(And by fed, we mean regular food, not, you know ... never mind.)

[bigvalboy]

Wait so some guys are actually being serious on not wanting to chip in for a lunch? A fed escort is a happy escort. I can't wait to order

 

Perfect KJ ....I think Killian put this little argument to rest. AND...a special nod to QTR for a thorough analysis and summation. Now I wish I had gone.

[+ quoththeraven]

Perfect KJ ....I think Killian put this little argument to rest. AND...a special nod to QTR for a thorough analysis and summation. Now I wish I had gone.

 

Thanks, BVB. You're missing the opportunity to meet moi (to quote Miss Piggy)! That alone should be worth the price of one escort's lunch, no?

[bigvalboy]

Thanks, BVB. You're missing the opportunity to meet moi (to quote Miss Piggy)! That alone should be worth the price of one escort's lunch, no?

 

Someday. It is now on my bucket list.

[+ quoththeraven]

BVB - That's a very sweet thing to say. I am hugely flattered!

[Bart]

I am breaking my usual "don't post twice rule." Oh my gosh, I thought the thread on "who should pick up parking?" was scraping the bottom of the barrel but really there is even a conversation here. Damn I have four gentlemen coming with me, I had planned on picking up the tab for four of them at the start of this and will still do that however it works out. All PK is trying to do is get a methodology down up front, that is all this was really about. Then we question the motives and then lets add a "cheap shot" to the whole thing with nobody interests me there. Wow that is almost as good as Robber's shot they are escorts and you expect them to be professional. Anyway did we forget this event is clients and gentlemen to get together in a way for clients to meet other clients, gentlemen get to meet other gentlemen and posters and break bread together. I mean its not like we are on the clock. It has been mentioned to numerous to count, if the meal is the swing point on hiring a gentleman maybe this is not the place to be. Besides I don't think Dave picked a place where the meals start $50 a plate. Lets hope all those who are attending come in with a smile on their face and egos checked with their coats at the door.

[down_to_business]

Perhaps some of the people responding didn't know the rules or traditions of the event. Perhaps things would have gone a little smoother if all of the rules and terms and conditions were disclosed up front. In any case, I was more shocked by the intolerance of those attacking anyone with differing viewpoints, even though I should be used to it by now.

 

I guess I am not entitled to an opinion, however, because an event like this doesn't even interest me. That doesn't mean I don't respect others for wanting to participate or that I don't have great appreciation for Dave's willingness to "put up with all this shit" and donate his time and energy to making the event a success.

 

May the event be a big success and enjoyable for all.

[leeper]

I haven't gone through this thread from beginning to end again, to figure out if the objector to paying is actually going to attend the luncheon or was just being difficult. As a past attendee of the DC get together, I was actually unaware that there was a formal policy of clients/potential clients paying. I just assumed that was the case and gave LBT at least 2-3 times what I guessed the average check to be to cover whatever. If I was able to attend again this year, I would be doing the same without question. It is a nice event - it is great to meet the escorts especially the ones I haven't hired (yet). As to their character, I have found them to be enjoyable, interesting, and principled men. The escorts who attend these events are not the ones who engage in misrepresentation, only interested in taking the money and running. Quite the contrary, they actually seem to care about providing a quality interaction. It is also great to meet escorts who don't show face pics in their ads. Once again - kudos to Dave for taking this on.

[+ Funguy]

Tho I am not able to attend, (yes, I will be basking on a beach) if as Dave says, the mix is approximately 50:50, it seems like we are speaking of principle. One client winds up paying for one lunch for one escort (approximately). If I was (or is it, were?) there I wouldn't object at all. Of course, IMHO only. It's not like 5 clients are paying for 15 escorts. I would love to meet all of these guys who put themselves out for us, maybe even cop a kiss and a nipple twist, too.

[Steven_Draker]

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[Lookin]

Well, a day after my post, I'm kind of regretting shoving my oar in where it wasn't needed. Never occurred to me that other clients might be watching their wallets as closely as I do. So I do apologize for any discomfort my posting may have caused and hope that no one will stay away as a result.

 

In fact, even though I won't be at what I'm sure will be a great event, I do get a kick out of reading all the reports after and will gladly pick up a couple of lunch tabs if PK will let me know where to send the contribution. If all the clients and escorts are already covered, just slip it to the busboy. You should pardon the expression. http://www.boytoy.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif

 

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[+ SundayZip]

A few pages back I posted that I was one of the guys who originally questioned the tradition of clients picking up the tab for escorts. My questioning was NOT about spending a few extra dollars. Heck, I'll probably gleefully spend a lot more on strippers Saturday night at Z/secrets. I had this notion that the luncheon was about us all coming together as equal members of a community and in my simple mind, as soon as one party pays and the other does not, there's an imbalance and a different dynamic. I thought I could see a parallel in my own extended family; Only the adults brought a dish to the family pot luck dinners. The young kids just tagged along and sat at the kids table. But at some point the kids became adults, brought their own casserole and sat at the adults table (and argued about religion and politics and defended their cousin for marrying a guy from Mexico).

 

So I sent a PM to Dave and PK. Their replies were polite and insightful and caused me to change my mind. Someone posted earlier in this thread that the luncheon is an opportunity for us to express our appreciation to the escorts who so greatly enrich our community. Hey! I'm totally in agreement with that. I'm sooo with love with the fact that the escort community is out there for us that paying for lunch is not nearly enough.

[+ SundayZip]

...(and argued about religion and politics and defended their cousin for marrying a guy from Mexico).

 

The cousin, by the way, is my niece and her husband from Mexico is so incredibly hot! He gets me all nervous and jittery and I have to try hard to act unaffected. I may need to create a post about this and ask for your advice.