When hiring an "unreviewed" guy...

[armadillo]

I tend now to pass by the guy with mega-positive numbers of reviews. It's that whole self-promotion thing.... kinda bothers me!

 

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[down_to_business]

This thread has been very enlightening for me as well. So not everybody here has drank the Kool-Aid (reference if needed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drinking_the_Kool-Aid). Impressive.

 

I have expressed my skepticism of reviews here for some time, especially when presented with escorts like Doug of LA. Also like others have expressed here, I don't hire the mega superstars and self-promoters with 500+ reviews all glowing or the escort that gets a horrible review by a reviewer I am familiar with only to have a glowing first time reviewer counter everything he says a short time later. And like others have also expressed here, when I did hire these 'superstars' in the past, they were generally lackluster experiences or they were the ones that would cancel at the last minute, keep the airfare, or simply not show up without anything (and no shows can't be reviewed so you get the idea).

 

My best hires continue to be un-reviewed guys as well that I took chances on. Sure, they don't always work out as well-- but in general these are the best experiences I have had to date.

 

Thanks again for the good discussion and this thread.

[imrthr]

It's gratifying to hear the skepticism of the 'well-reviewed', count me in the growing crowd of people who had a 'meh' to unpleasant experience with one of the most well-reviewed guys on the board. Wish I'd written a review at that point, but it was over two years ago.

 

 

If you had written a review, the escort most likely would have made up something awful to write about you to offset the truth you said about the escort. It is nice to have checks and balances but sometimes things were not intended to balance.

 

He said, she said - that rarely produces anything positive. Not writing a review is sometimes the best decision when something goes awry.

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[bigvalboy]

If you had written a review, the escort most likely would have made up something awful to write about you to offset the truth you said about the escort. It is nice to have checks and balances but sometimes things were not intended to balance.

 

He said, she said - that rarely produces anything positive. Not writing a review is sometimes the best decision when something goes awry.

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Unfortunately you are correct. Things rarely are what they seem.

[ncc1701d]

let's not forget that while healthy amounts of skepticism is good, and yes some reviews are fake, but at the end of the day individual chemistry when the 2 people meet counts A LOT into how the session goes/is perceived. I've met well reviewed ones, and nothing is "wrong" (they did what i asked, looks exactly like pics, tons of hot reviews, great posts here on forum)...and our session was at best "ok". And yes I've hired un-reviewed ones who drove an hour to see me without charging, and the session was hot! It's all about the sexual energy/chemistry.......just saying

[Dave]

as a “well reviewed escort”, this thread is... pretty depressing to read.

 

in fact, I think I might have more reviews than most male escorts - I believe there are over 200 comments/reviews on my site. to be clear, they’re not all on Daddy’s - but every review that’s written about me is put on my site either by the original poster, or migrated later by my web designer.

 

a few more facts about me:

I have never written a review on myself

I have never created a fake profile to be a “second” person on a forum

I have never paid anyone to write a review, or discounted my fees for a review

 

and:

I’ve never been voted EOY (escort of the year)

I’ve never shown my face in digital images

I always insist on a phone call before an appointment

I’ve been working as an escort for 10 years (probably why I have so many reviews, LOL)

 

all of the above is true. (of course, you might think that even that sentence is a lie. but - it’s not.)

 

so... with that out of the way, I’d like to comment on a few things you guys have said.

 

I entirely stay away from 'well reviewed' guys. 'Well reviewed' is a scam. 'Well reviewed' = tired. old, worn out guys with a nasty attitude. No, thanks. Which is why I like this site so much - it shows me who to avoid.

 

again: ten years working. but not tired, not old and worn out, and no nasty attitude.

 

on the other hand, I’m a real man, with a brain and feelings and limits, just like everyone else. there have been about twelve, maybe fifteen times in my escorting career, that I’ve had run-ins with clients. they’ve all been very upsetting to me. one of them contributed to this thread. another one of them is a frequent poster on this site. those are not highlights of my career. but those are also a VERY small percentage of my clientele. I’m hesitant to tell you just how small that percentage is, in case someone reading this finds some way to use that against me. yes, this forum can be harsh for working guys - which is the answer to “why don’t more escorts contribute to these threads?”

 

and what was that about a scam? a scam, really? personally, I have much better things to do with my time than to try and scam my clients. I’d rather put my energy into turning a first time client into a repeat client. but not just for the repeat business (hope you don’t see that as a scam...) fact is, I genuinely like most of my clients, and enjoy seeing them again. you may not believe this, but being able to screen prospective clients is an art. when done right, you have very few negative experiences, and as a result, most of the people you meet are really great, or nice, or fun, or sexy, or adventurous. I’ll take someone with any of those qualities any day. and (gasp, can this be true? or is he just scamming us?) I don’t care about your weight, or your age, or your race, or your inability to get hard.

 

when an escort is highly reviewed with tons of raves on the board, I've often ended up with 'meh' sessions which then become viewed more negatively in hindsight because of the high expectations from the reviews. I have had this experience with at least 4 or 5 guys. So I tend to shy away from the crowd-pleasers now.

 

I think this is a very honest statement. it takes balls to admit that one’s own high expectations could have influenced an experience; really what le wh0re is saying is that it’s not necessarily the well-reviewed guy’s fault that the session was “meh.”

 

Another rule is that I MUST have a phone conversation, an interview if you like, with a prospect before engaging him. That's a key part of the triage process.

 

love it - you are screening escorts, very good. you clients do realize that we are screening you, too, right? in my case, it’s that phone call as well. but fyi, many guys use texts and emails to screen. if you don’t hear back from that guy you contacted - well reviewed or not - you might want to re-read what you wrote him, to see if it may have been misinterpreted, and thus deleted by him.

 

My least wonderful experience(s) have been with extremely well-reviewed guys. Some guys are very gifted self-promoters... and if you surround yourself with enough people saying things about you that you want to hear, eventually you start believing that it is all true.

I tend now to pass by the guy with mega-positive numbers of reviews. It's that whole self-promotion thing.... kinda bothers me!

 

as The Legendary Dave, this makes me laugh... I mean, what more blatant self-promotion is there, than THAT moniker? but those of you who know me, know (I hope) that I don’t take myself that seriously. and also, if you’ve asked me in person how I got that moniker, you know it wasn’t really self promotion. but whatever - I knew going into it that choosing to brand myself with such a name would create an image of ridiculousness and/or arrogance, amongst some.

 

the part that doesnt make me laugh is the statement “eventually you start believing that it is all true.” I guess this happens to some people. but really, on some level, it debases escorts to having simple minds that are easily influenced by others. I know lots of impressive, strong minded, intelligent escorts who have heard those comments through the years, and they have not succumbed to such fate. in fact, I can say that all of my escort friends - both male and female - are like that.

 

Could it be that once an escort becomes 'well-reviewed', the phone rings incessantly, the guys tend to over-book themselves to capture the money and the overall experience begins to suffer? I remember specifically an extremely 'well reviewed' guy here in NY who advertised solo and in addition was represented by an agency. I saw him a few times in March/April 2014 - he was vivacious, fun and amazing in bed. By October 2014 it became next to impossible to get an appointment with him (even with the help of the agency) and he turned out a total dud. I had to stop seeing him. The burn-out rate in this business is high and sudden popularity is not something everybody can handle ...

 

yes, it could be that guys overbook once their phone rings more - but like the example above, this is not the case for everyone. I appreciate you guys are trying to make some sense of well reviewed escorts, but what if you can’t just draw one conclusion? what if it’s not really a black-and-white issue?

 

Hasn't it been put forward several times that some outstanding reviews are written by some escorts themselves? And in addition, some escorts under aliases discuss or praise themselves in the forums in surprisingly nimble ways? BR2

 

yes, that is true. I also know some clients who have done some "less than stellar" forum and review behavior, too. again, let’s not put all escorts in one category. if escorts put all clients in one category - concluding that they are no shows, rude, have poor hygiene, are self-centered, desperate, drunk or on meth, and are diseased - well, we wouldnt take on any clients. luckily, the percentages of those sorts of clients are few and far between. but yeah, they do exist, too.

 

I read every positive review/forum comment with a healthy degree of skepticism. While I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, I recognize that certain reviews are written (or ghost written) by the escorts themselves. I find it very helpful when forum members submit reviews under their forum IDs because that allows me to judge the review based on what I've learned about the person from participating here over the last few years. I also find PMs to be a helpful tool and will PM a member who has submitted a review to ask specific questions about an escort. However, I do not actively avoid guys with stellar reviews. For me, that would be like refusing to buy a top-rated car because I think the manufacturer's advertisements are too persuasive. I'll resist the urge to add several archaic cliches here (like "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!").

 

Read the reviews, figure out what information you believe and what info you think is false/exaggerated, and make a decision. The way I look at it, the reason certain escorts have excellent reviews is because they made guys like me and you happy. Even if a guy is just really good at self promotion, unless he wants to lose the reputation he's worked so hard to build, he has to keep clients happy.

 

I like this post. if there is one thing I hope I’m getting across, which is somewhat expressed in tom1980’s post, it’s this: escorting is a big world. there are well reviewed escorts who don’t deliver what you hope for. there are unreviewed escorts who are terrible. and there are clients who bring negativity to an appointment. similarly, there are well reviewed escorts who are amazing. there are clients who are amazing. and there are unreviewed escorts who are amazing. we all need to be careful not to make sweeping statements, about any of these groups.

 

hope I have not offended anyone in writing the above.

[buckguy]

I suspect that the champions of the unreviewed tend to be guys who have thought with their gonads rather than their heads with reviewed guys. The standards I use for reviewed or unreviewed are similar--the ad has to be credible in terms of pics, price and services offered. If the pics look familiar or don't seem consistent--no; if the price is way to low or high--no; if they've checked every fetish including rarities like diapers---no. I'm sure there are 21 year olds into leather, but not many, so...no. Scammers oddly seem to come in multiples (or at least multiple ads), so suddenly seeing new ads that all seem to have the same ethnicity or other demographics (and usually no head shots) usually means multiple ads to avoid. "Limited time only" and names that trade on racial/ethnic or other stereotypes ("Anaconda", "Papi", "Mandingo", all get a thumbs down.

 

The overzealous marketing machine tends to be obvious, but these guys often charm one or two regulars who assertively rise to their defense when their credibility is challenged. A sudden rush of new, but first time reviews--probably a marketing machine. Some guys who market well can deliver, but it's a good idea to wait for the flurry of reviews to end and the fanboys to quiet down. The best reviews are those that are fairly detailed and cover the basics of what someone will/won't do and how they line up with their ad. The overly brief and the overly smitten are less credible. Credible escorts often have low points, esp. if they are close to retirement. On another thread, i mentioned my effort to study durability in the business--it seems like the first month is critical in deciding whether or not to commit to this occupation for awhile, so I stay away from the newest of the new until they get their bearings (or disappear). My one exception to this a couple years ago was someone who quickly exited the business and he clearly was not very organized or customer service oriented.

 

The site is useful but no guarantee, and it only works in tandem with some basic consumer shrewdness. This is an expensive hobby and you have to look at it in the same way you look at other expensive, experiential hobbies--like a bad play with good seats or weekend trip ruined by rain.

[jimboivyo]

as a “well reviewed escort”, this thread is... pretty depressing to read.

 

in fact, I think I might have more reviews than most male escorts - I believe there are over 200 comments/reviews on my site. to be clear, they’re not all on Daddy’s - but every review that’s written about me is put on my site either by the original poster, or migrated later by my web designer.

 

a few more facts about me:

I have never written a review on myself

I have never created a fake profile to be a “second” person on a forum

I have never paid anyone to write a review, or discounted my fees for a review

 

and:

I’ve never been voted EOY (escort of the year)

I’ve never shown my face in digital images

I always insist on a phone call before an appointment

I’ve been working as an escort for 10 years (probably why I have so many reviews, LOL)

 

all of the above is true. (of course, you might think that even that sentence is a lie. but - it’s not.)

 

so... with that out of the way, I’d like to comment on a few things you guys have said.

 

 

 

again: ten years working. but not tired, not old and worn out, and no nasty attitude.

 

on the other hand, I’m a real man, with a brain and feelings and limits, just like everyone else. there have been about twelve, maybe fifteen times in my escorting career, that I’ve had run-ins with clients. they’ve all been very upsetting to me. one of them contributed to this thread. another one of them is a frequent poster on this site. those are not highlights of my career. but those are also a VERY small percentage of my clientele. I’m hesitant to tell you just how small that percentage is, in case someone reading this finds some way to use that against me. yes, this forum can be harsh for working guys - which is the answer to “why don’t more escorts contribute to these threads?”

 

and what was that about a scam? a scam, really? personally, I have much better things to do with my time than to try and scam my clients. I’d rather put my energy into turning a first time client into a repeat client. but not just for the repeat business (hope you don’t see that as a scam...) fact is, I genuinely like most of my clients, and enjoy seeing them again. you may not believe this, but being able to screen prospective clients is an art. when done right, you have very few negative experiences, and as a result, most of the people you meet are really great, or nice, or fun, or sexy, or adventurous. I’ll take someone with any of those qualities any day. and (gasp, can this be true? or is he just scamming us?) I don’t care about your weight, or your age, or your race, or your inability to get hard.

 

 

 

I think this is a very honest statement. it takes balls to admit that one’s own high expectations could have influenced an experience; really what le wh0re is saying is that it’s not necessarily the well-reviewed guy’s fault that the session was “meh.”

 

 

 

love it - you are screening escorts, very good. you clients do realize that we are screening you, too, right? in my case, it’s that phone call as well. but fyi, many guys use texts and emails to screen. if you don’t hear back from that guy you contacted - well reviewed or not - you might want to re-read what you wrote him, to see if it may have been misinterpreted, and thus deleted by him.

 

 

 

as The Legendary Dave, this makes me laugh... I mean, what more blatant self-promotion is there, than THAT moniker? but those of you who know me, know (I hope) that I don’t take myself that seriously. and also, if you’ve asked me in person how I got that moniker, you know it wasn’t really self promotion. but whatever - I knew going into it that choosing to brand myself with such a name would create an image of ridiculousness and/or arrogance, amongst some.

 

the part that doesnt make me laugh is the statement “eventually you start believing that it is all true.” I guess this happens to some people. but really, on some level, it debases escorts to having simple minds that are easily influenced by others. I know lots of impressive, strong minded, intelligent escorts who have heard those comments through the years, and they have not succumbed to such fate. in fact, I can say that all of my escort friends - both male and female - are like that.

 

 

 

yes, it could be that guys overbook once their phone rings more - but like the example above, this is not the case for everyone. I appreciate you guys are trying to make some sense of well reviewed escorts, but what if you can’t just draw one conclusion? what if it’s not really a black-and-white issue?

 

 

 

yes, that is true. I also know some clients who have done some "less than stellar" forum and review behavior, too. again, let’s not put all escorts in one category. if escorts put all clients in one category - concluding that they are no shows, rude, have poor hygiene, are self-centered, desperate, drunk or on meth, and are diseased - well, we wouldnt take on any clients. luckily, the percentages of those sorts of clients are few and far between. but yeah, they do exist, too.

 

 

 

I like this post. if there is one thing I hope I’m getting across, which is somewhat expressed in tom1980’s post, it’s this: escorting is a big world. there are well reviewed escorts who don’t deliver what you hope for. there are unreviewed escorts who are terrible. and there are clients who bring negativity to an appointment. similarly, there are well reviewed escorts who are amazing. there are clients who are amazing. and there are unreviewed escorts who are amazing. we all need to be careful not to make sweeping statements, about any of these groups.

 

hope I have not offended anyone in writing the above.

 

 

hit it on the head Dave. nice post!

 

there's this no sense backlash from folks here who have agendas that support them bashing hard working guys with great reviews. they make blanket statements and then the same group all agree with each other in the thread. it's the same people who automatically shit on anyone who's not in their price range

 

not all great escorts have great days. they're just people. its how they handle the bad day that separates a pro from an amatuer. I've had not great experences with a wide variety of escorts over time but would never race to this site to shit on someone who it didn't work with. I'd rather talk up the positives and put away the bad ones.

[loverboy95]

I'll put in my two cents.

 

Being new to hiring escorts, I am being very selective about what escorts I choose to hire and am only going with well-reviewed guys. I know that I could be just as likely to have a bad experience with a well-reviewed escort, but I am more likely to go with someone who I have done a thorough investigation into. My investigation includes their reviews, their sex practices (being safe), etc. If I see you match my preferences and many people have loved you, I'll hire you. So far, I have only hired one escort who to this day has received nothing but raves yet he remains one of the most controversial escorts in the industry. He made my first escort experience something I will remember for the rest of my life.

 

Eventually, I'll have enough experience to be able to hire guys who don't have that many reviews or aren't well-known.

[tom1980]

hope I have not offended anyone in writing the above.

 

You didn't offend me.

[eager2pleaz]

My experience leads me to conclude it's a complete crapshoot; there is no foolproof way to insure a good time - or even truth in advertising. I cant tell you how many times i have been told the pics are 100% accurate only to discover the escort is someone entirely different. I find a phone conversation offers the highest degree of reassurance but even then you cant be sure... There is no code of ethics here: caveat emptor rules.

[TruHart1]

Well reviewed is best for me!

 

I'll put in my two cents.

 

Being new to hiring escorts, I am being very selective about what escorts I choose to hire and am only going with well-reviewed guys. I know that I could be just as likely to have a bad experience with a well-reviewed escort, but I am more likely to go with someone who I have done a thorough investigation into. My investigation includes their reviews, their sex practices (being safe), etc. If I see you match my preferences and many people have loved you, I'll hire you. So far, I have only hired one escort who to this day has received nothing but raves yet he remains one of the most controversial escorts in the industry. He made my first escort experience something I will remember for the rest of my life.

 

Eventually, I'll have enough experience to be able to hire guys who don't have that many reviews or aren't well-known.

 

I guess I can count myself quite lucky and my vetting process pretty effective. In my hiring of almost 50 escorts (I’m only counting my regulars once) over the past four years, I have had only two disappointing experiences with well-reviewed escorts. Both of those men were just as advertised (pix accurate, etc.) and were not scammers in any way. The sexual chemistry between us was just missing. In our pre-sex discussion, getting to know each other, both of these men were very engaging (I really liked them!) and I would be happy to be friends socially with either of them, but when we got into the bedroom there was no spark. I believe all the positive reviews I read about them were accurate and it just did not work between myself and these men for reasons that have nothing to do with their skills as escorts.

 

As far as I am concerned, I will continue to hire well-reviewed guys since I have been very happy with all of them from my very first hire, who made me realize that this was the hobby I was born to enjoy! I have taken a chance only three times with unreviewed escorts (although they lacked any reviews, I vetted them by checking their pix, googling their phone etc.) and have been lucky two times out of three. Because I am a man who keeps hiring the same escorts repeatedly with whom I have excellent experiences, I take “hiring” trips to various cities to hire repeat faves and check out a few new guys. Because of that, I am very careful when hiring a new first-time escort and reviews are my main method of deciding whether or not to go ahead and meet them!

 

TruHart1