Amir 10/13 Review

[jimboivyo]

what an ugly experience. there was nothing that escort could say to validate that behavior

 

I'm just sorry for the reviewer. that sounded like complete cat shit of a time

[Epigonos]

I must agree that the clients experience with Amir was definitely NOT good. If the circumstances that Amir presented were correct one might cut him some slack – he is young and stalkers can be quite frightening. It would probably have been best if, under the circumstances, Amir had explained the situation to the client and canceled the appointment. At least by stating:

 

I hope that I have presented the facts clearly in this response. I humbly extend an invitation to personally rectify this experience for you. My clients' satisfaction is extremely important to me, so please don't hesitate to contact me directly.

 

Amir has attempted to right the wrong. Keep in mind ALL of his other reviews have been sterling and we are all entitled to, at least, one mess up.

[corndog]

Although I don't want to dismiss the reviewer's bad experience, or criticize the reviewer in any way, I think that Amir's response is one of the very rare examples of a good response to a negative review. None of us will ever know the full truth, but Amir's humble explanation of his point of view is articulate and plausible. In my mind, responses to negative reviews are often the most telling information about an escort. If Amir were on my list, I definitely wouldn't cross him off as a result of this review/response.

[down_to_business]

I don't know if cancelling the appointment at the last minute would have been any better, so I don't know what he could have done that would have been perfect given the circumstances. That being said, if you want to price yourself at perfection of $300 an hour, then you better offer perfection each and every time without excuse.

 

This would not be the first escort I have heard of discussing other clients with the current client. It happens a lot more than one might think, in more than 50% of the hiring I have done, although at varying levels of disclosure. Then again, maybe they just talk about other clients with me because I don't like to talk about myself and I am a real good listener. None of that, however, included peoples real names and addresses. I also think that prospective clients deserve the same discretion that actual clients do and would hate to think that some "technicality" would make an escort feel that it is ok to disclose my personal information or "fetishes" etc. simply because we have not yet connected for an appointment.

[MiamiLooker]

...so I don't know what he could have done that would have been perfect given the circumstances.

 

He could have turned off the phone during the session

[imrthr]

He could have turned off the phone during the session

 

 

Oh course, he could, and he should have done so.

 

At three hundred bucks for an hour, turning off the phone is a "no brainer" and is a must for a busy escort whose client phone calls and messages are frequent.

 

At that rate, the client deserves 100% attention if the appointment is only for one hour.

 

If the appointment were a day or more, the escort would need some personal time - BUT - an escort who charges $300 for a one-hour appointment, and does not turn off his phone, does not deserve that kind of money.

 

Given the circumstances, the excuses given by the escort are self-serving and not very convincing.

-

[Okliehomo]

What can I say? I bark when I cum.

 

Or is that squeal like a pig?

 

Maybe both.

[TruHart1]

Although I don't want to dismiss the reviewer's bad experience, or criticize the reviewer in any way, I think that Amir's response is one of the very rare examples of a good response to a negative review. None of us will ever know the full truth, but Amir's humble explanation of his point of view is articulate and plausible. In my mind, responses to negative reviews are often the most telling information about an escort. If Amir were on my list, I definitely wouldn't cross him off as a result of this review/response.

 

I must agree that the clients experience with Amir was definitely NOT good. If the circumstances that Amir presented were correct one might cut him some slack – he is young and stalkers can be quite frightening. It would probably have been best if, under the circumstances, Amir had explained the situation to the client and canceled the appointment. At least by stating:

 

I hope that I have presented the facts clearly in this response. I humbly extend an invitation to personally rectify this experience for you. My clients' satisfaction is extremely important to me, so please don't hesitate to contact me directly.

 

Amir has attempted to right the wrong. Keep in mind ALL of his other reviews have been sterling and we are all entitled to, at least, one mess up.

 

Per Amir’s explanation, this was NOT a client he was venting to tom about but a stalker. If you read both tom’s review and Amir’s response, it truly appears to be a breakdown in communications between them. Ideally should Amir have simply turned off his phone for the time of tom’s appointment? Yes.

 

Yet Amir is a human being who happened to be emotionally upset during tom’s session about a matter not involving tom. I guess you might say the fault here goes both ways, tom should have been honest about his dissatisfaction with what he perceived as Amir’s indiscretion and Amir’s lack of sexual involvement in the second half of the appointment.

 

If the escort has great reviews regarding his oral skills, and just when the client thinks he is going to experience those skills, the escort begins giving him a hand job, the client should express his need/desire to be sucked, whether in 69 position or not. Conversely, Amir should have made it completely clear that he was venting about a stalker (not a client) who was furnishing a fake name and a false (non-existent) address and just how upset he was by this.

 

Finally, why should Amir’s explanation be discounted as a poor excuse for not furnishing tom’s “high-end” hire? As noted, each previous review of Amir is completely full of praise. So, are we to read this review and response and come to the conclusion that Amir is a bad escort who does not deliver on his promises, a fake? My logic just cannot make that jump.

 

Because of that, I do agree with corndog that this does not remove Amir from my wish-to-meet list! To my way of thinking, like Epigonos, because Amir apologizes and conveys to tom his desire to try to make amends for his unsatisfactory service, he has definitely remained near the top of my wish list. I will definitely hire Amir if our paths should ever cross!

 

Please do not forget, though, that both tom and Amir are just people. Each person perceived this experience from their individual viewpoints and, it seems, completely misunderstood each other. I personally would hope tom might give Amir another chance but I also understand that tom may be too soured by this to even want to try.

 

Everything I’ve written here is just IMHO and certainly not meant to be judgmental of either tom or Amir.

 

TruHart1

[Boink]

Everyone keeps bringing up the $300.00 an hour price tag as if that's overly high and somehow makes the situation worse. Isn't that pretty much the normal basic hourly rate for LA regardless of circumstances? Especially for someone of Amir's good rep?

[Lewis H]

I must agree that the clients experience with Amir was definitely NOT good. If the circumstances that Amir presented were correct one might cut him some slack – he is young and stalkers can be quite frightening. It would probably have been best if, under the circumstances, Amir had explained the situation to the client and canceled the appointment. At least by stating:

 

I hope that I have presented the facts clearly in this response. I humbly extend an invitation to personally rectify this experience for you. My clients' satisfaction is extremely important to me, so please don't hesitate to contact me directly.

 

Amir has attempted to right the wrong. Keep in mind ALL of his other reviews have been sterling and we are all entitled to, at least, one mess up.

 

Although I don't want to dismiss the reviewer's bad experience, or criticize the reviewer in any way, I think that Amir's response is one of the very rare examples of a good response to a negative review. None of us will ever know the full truth, but Amir's humble explanation of his point of view is articulate and plausible. In my mind, responses to negative reviews are often the most telling information about an escort. If Amir were on my list, I definitely wouldn't cross him off as a result of this review/response.

 

Agreed. I thought Amir's response was more than civil, and while he didn't address the negative issues well at the time of the appointment, he certainly took a high road in his response. Hopefully he'll be better going forward.

 

Who knows, maybe the reviewer will take him up on his offer and happily follow up with a report that the wrong was righted.

[MiamiLooker]

Unless each and every session results in a posted review, what difference does it make that an escort has only good reviews? For multiple reasons, reviews of bad and mediocre sessions don’t regularly get submitted and/or posted. Is it unreasonable to think that an escort might have a total of 30 sessions; and of those, 10 reviews are of good sessions and 20 bad or mediocre sessions that aren’t reviewed? I’m not in any way suggesting that this is the case with Amir, just that reviews aren’t necessarily indicative of any escort’s standard service.

[imrthr]

 

snip snip

 

Finally, why should Amir’s explanation be discounted as a poor excuse for not furnishing tom’s “high-end” hire?

 

 

Given that the telephone was not turned off during the session, the excuse is lame. Clearly, escorts should not leave on their cell phones while meeting with a client.

 

Furthermore, there was no response by the escort whether the escort discounted his $300 hourly rate for the unsatisfactory performance, that the escort knew was unsatisfactory.

-

 

 

 

As noted, each previous review of Amir is completely full of praise. So, are we to read this review and response and come to the conclusion that Amir is a bad escort who does not deliver on his promises, a fake? My logic just cannot make that jump.

-

TruHart1

 

 

Although his prior performances may have yielded fine reviews, the performance that caused this thread was not satisfactory, solely because the escort failed to turn off his phone while he knew that he was being harassed by someone. Knowledge of an ongoing stalker or a harasser is a good indication that the phone will ring during the one-hour session. Again, the phone should have been turned off during the session.

 

I did not say that the escort was a bad escort. I am saying that the escort used poor judgment that caused the session to go sour and or awry. Thus, the escort should have made a financial concession to the client but apparently, no concession was made of offered.

 

I’m not in any way suggesting that this is the case with Amir, just that reviews aren’t necessarily indicative of any escort’s standard service.

 

Although the review isn't "necessarily indicative" of the "standard service" given by the escort, the review shows a character flaw when the full price was taken from the client despite the escort knowing that the session did not go well because the escort failed to turn off his telephone.

-

[TruHart1]

Given that the telephone was not turned off during the session, the excuse is lame. Clearly, escorts should not leave on their cell phones while meeting with a client.

 

Furthermore, there was no response by the escort whether the escort discounted his $300 hourly rate for the unsatisfactory performance, that the escort knew was unsatisfactory...

I did not say that the escort was a bad escort. I am saying that the escort used poor judgment that caused the session to go sour and or awry. Thus, the escort should have made a financial concession to the client but apparently, no concession was made of offered.

 

 

Although the review isn't "necessarily indicative" of the "standard service" given by the escort, the review shows a character flaw when the full price was taken from the client despite the escort knowing that the session did not go well because the escort failed to turn off his telephone.

-

 

So if the tom did not express his dissatisfaction with the hire and the Amir was distracted by his own emotional state, then Amir should have deduced tom’s displeasure and automatically given a full or partial refund to tom?

 

In Amir’s response he does state “In regards to the intimate: I was under the impression through the end of our session that you were enjoying me. It is possible that as a human being, I can misread the cues I receive from my sexual partners. I clearly didn't read the cues you were providing me, nor did you verbalize what you wanted or not, so I do apologize if you did not get the kind of treatment you wanted and deserved.”

 

It would seem from this that until Daddy sent tom’s review to Amir for response, Amir did not realize he failed as far as tom was concerned with the sexual aspect of the hire. Therefore I cannot understand why anyone would feel Amir should have refunded any of the fee. If tom had expressed disappointment and told Amir he was only going to pay him partially and why, perhaps in that event, the reduction in fee would be logical?

 

TruHart1

[maninsoma]

While Amir's response is nice, it doesn't quite seem contrite enough for me. Checking one's phone if a true emergency situation is happening is understandable, though even then one has to wonder what sort of emergency that doesn't directly involve someone cannot wait an hour. Checking messages from someone who has been stalking you for a year? How is that an emergency? For that matter, how did this stalker situation cause Amir to be 45 minutes late in his availability to begin the appointment? That isn't clear to me from Amir's response.

 

I could understand Amir's behavior more if it occurred with a client he already knew for a hire longer than an hour. During a one-hour appointment with someone he just met? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

Beyond that, I guess the part about someone just trying to jerk you off to get you to come quickly resonates with me. Maybe some people believe that $300 is just the going rate and that one shouldn't expect a quality experience for that amount of money, but in my book that rate should only be charged by someone who understands that the client is paying him to indulge in a fantasy experience for a short period of time. To not be as present as possible during that limited time while charging that amount of money indicates a lack of professionalism. In other words, Amir was supposed to be there for this client, not the other way around. I'm not suggesting that an escort has to become a servant, but just as other professionals provide services to others in exchange for money that's what an escort is supposed to do. Can you imagine a lawyer charging you top dollar and then occupying your billable hours with requests to listen to his legal problems?

[imrthr]

So if the tom did not express his dissatisfaction with the hire and the Amir was distracted by his own emotional state, then Amir should have deduced tom’s displeasure and automatically given a full or partial refund to tom?

-

 

I didn't say this, you did. The fact that the escort did not remain hard is self evident that the escort was not in tune with the event.

 

 

In Amir’s response he does state “In regards to the intimate: I was under the impression through the end of our session that you were enjoying me. It is possible that as a human being, I can misread the cues I receive from my sexual partners. I clearly didn't read the cues you were providing me, nor did you verbalize what you wanted or not, so I do apologize if you did not get the kind of treatment you wanted and deserved.”

-

 

Tom stated that the escort did not remain hard during the session. That, alone, should have alerted the escort to the fact that something was not going well. That, combined with the telephone issue of not being turned off, thus allowing calls to come in, make the explanation, self-serving. Res ipsa loquitur.

 

 

While Amir's response is nice, it doesn't quite seem contrite enough for me. Checking one's phone if a true emergency situation is happening is understandable, though even then one has to wonder what sort of emergency that doesn't directly involve someone cannot wait an hour. Checking messages from someone who has been stalking you for a year? How is that an emergency? For that matter, how did this stalker situation cause Amir to be 45 minutes late in his availability to begin the appointment? That isn't clear to me from Amir's response.

 

I could understand Amir's behavior more if it occurred with a client he already knew for a hire longer than an hour. During a one-hour appointment with someone he just met? It just doesn't make any sense to me.

 

Beyond that, I guess the part about someone just trying to jerk you off to get you to come quickly resonates with me. Maybe some people believe that $300 is just the going rate and that one shouldn't expect a quality experience for that amount of money, but in my book that rate should only be charged by someone who understands that the client is paying him to indulge in a fantasy experience for a short period of time. To not be as present as possible during that limited time while charging that amount of money indicates a lack of professionalism. In other words, Amir was supposed to be there for this client, not the other way around. I'm not suggesting that an escort has to become a servant, but just as other professionals provide services to others in exchange for money that's what an escort is supposed to do. Can you imagine a lawyer charging you top dollar and then occupying your billable hours with requests to listen to his legal problems?

 

 

The above is an excellent analysis of the facts. Thanks for your analytical post.

-

[BabyBoomer]

Just an idea: I'd like to see Amir post on this forum an offer of a free one hour appointment to Tom in order to rectify this situation. I'd also like Tom to post his acceptance or denial of the offer.

~Boomer~

[down_to_business]

Just an idea: I'd like to see Amir post on this forum an offer of a free one hour appointment to Tom in order to rectify this situation. I'd also like Tom to post his acceptance or denial of the offer.

~Boomer~

 

Well I kind of disagree, as I think what these 2 gentlemen work out between them should be between them and not in a public forum, but to each his own. I think this should remain private so no one side feels forced into doing something they might not want to do. If the reviewer so chooses, he can post something to the effect of they worked it out if he so choses to do so.

[wisconsinguy]

I know the issue of stalking/harassing has been discussed. However, what is an escort to do when they feel there is a true person out there that could harm them? Can't go to the cops. Can't get paranoid about, and stay awake 24/7?????

[imrthr]

 

Well I kind of disagree, as I think what these 2 gentlemen work out between them should be between them and not in a public forum, but to each his own. I think this should remain private so no one side feels forced into doing something they might not want to do. If the reviewer so chooses, he can post something to the effect of they worked it out if he so choses to do so.

-

 

I agree with this poster. The results/outcome should remain private.

-

 

 

I know the issue of stalking/harassing has been discussed. However, what is an escort to do when they feel there is a true person out there that could harm them? Can't go to the cops. Can't get paranoid about, and stay awake 24/7?????

 

 

The stalking was going on for a year. During that interim, the escort should have learned to turn off his telephone while with paying clients.

 

Also, I disagree about the escort not being able to go to the police about stalking. The escort lives in California. California has some of the strictest laws against stalkers and most police departments have special units set up for assisting stalking victims.

-

[BabyBoomer]

I'm surprised Amir hasn't posted in this thread yet. Reminds me of Steve9332 "Bad Experience" with guy who worked for Man to Man. Still no response from Dave.

~Boomer~

[rvwnsd]

...The stalking was going on for a year. During that interim, the escort should have learned to turn off his telephone while with paying clients...

 

The escort should turn off his phone during a session whether or not he feels he is being stalked.

 

My take on this situation is there was no "communication breakdown" other than Amir's not being engaged with the client or the situation. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that failing to get hard is a problem when you make your living by getting hard. We now know he had at least one other client that day. Who knows how many others he had before he made this client wait 45 minutes for his session? Additionally, giving the client a hand job instead of oral when in the "69" position is just sneaky. A better way to have handled the situation was to have stopped, explained the reason for his performance issues, offered to end the session, and refuse to charge the client for the time they were together. I recognize Amir is one of the favored escorts among many on this forum, but we must be fair. Amir's phone was on and he kept checking it, he faded early in the session, and he didn't perform well.

[Diverdan]

I am not in a position to judge either the review or Amir's response. Did everything happen just the way the two people involved have described it? None of us will ever know for sure. I have not yet met Amir, but I am planning on seeing him before the year is out. He has been on my bucket list for a long time, but our schedules just haven't worked out as yet. There is nothing here that dissuades me from booking him in the future. If the reports are accurate, there are things that both Amir and his client could have done early in the session. I have had guys not turn off their phone at the beginning of the session, but when it rang, they ignored the ring and turned off the phone. I have also had situations where a session did not go the way I had anticipated, and shared my observations with the other guy. I think the necessity of good communication is a two way street, and both guys involved have an obligation to share expectations and give feedback. I know that Amir reads what is posted on these Forum pages, and has contributed to postings before, so hope he may do so again. JUST MHO...

[MichiganMan]

I am GLAD such an honest review was posted. I had a similar experience with a super popular, well reviewed Ft Lauderdale escort a few years back. Paid 1500 for an overnight, was hardly interested in anything, and "didn't do" morning sex....god I wish I would have wrote a review!!!

[jawjateck]

This obsession with the smart phone is everywhere, and by almost everyone, including the dipshit businessman sitting across the aisle from me on a flight today. Our flight was already 90 minutes late, and his use of that damn thang, delayed us a few additional minutes because he would not heed flight crew instructions. Everyone around him knew that he was the problem and did not hesitate to voice our displeasure with him.

 

Lawdie mercy, yall.....on a plane, in the restaurant, in the theater, during the evening commute, during a paid session.....whatever.....it is ok to put the phone away for an hour or two.

[dcguy20]

"I'm surprised Amir hasn't posted in this thread yet. Reminds me of Steve9332 "Bad Experience" with guy who worked for Man to Man. Still no response from Dave."

 

Why, to satisfy your need to stir the pot? It's not like either of those two brought this issue to the forum. Both have had their say in the review and response. What else transpires is between the two of them.