Negative Reviews

[rvwnsd]

...For example, on the HooBoy's site, bareback escorts were reviewed as well. Here, however, the condom Nazis force their values on everyone. If an escort choses to bareback, and a client engages him for a bareback session, and submits a positive review, would it get published? Of course not....

 

Thanks to a nifty tool called "Internet Archive Wayback Machine," I looked at a random sample of 50 reviews from the old HooBoy's site. Not one mentioned bareback sex. Not one mentioned condoms, either. I've perused Rentboy ads for years and years and recall when "Sometimes Safe" or "Never Safe" was rarely mentioned in an ad. Now, many (but not most) mention "Sometimes" or "Never" under "Safe Sex."

 

Regarding so-called "condom Nazis," as recently as five years ago discussions portraying bareback sex in anything other than a negative light were rarely seen anywhere but bareback-related blogs and web sites. In this forum, the so-called "condom Nazis" typically post in response to a pro-barebacking post. I find nothing wrong with that. I also find nothing wrong with barebackers posting their views here. I do find it wrong that posters who do not approve of barebacking are accused of "forcing their values on everyone" while the pro-barebackers are not. Aren't both groups doing the same thing? In a similar vein, aren't you forcing your own assertion, which Daddy proved inaccurate by performing an analysis of negative reviews on HooBoy's vs Daddy's, on the rest of us?

 

One last thing: a Forum member whose posts often portray barebacking in a favorable light happens to be an escort. He has been reviewed fourteen times. He has also received the Daddy's Seal of Approval. Another assertion proved false.

[corndog]

No, I paid what it's been worth, nothing.

 

Then why do you come back?

[HoseMaster]

I've submitted about 10 positive reviews on this site, and all 10 were published. I've also submitted 2 negative reviews, but only 1 of those was published. I would think that having that many reviews wouldn't make one negative review go un-published, as I would think that one's credibility (I think that's that word I'm looking for) would be built up to the point where they wouldn't be making stuff up. Maybe Daddy couldn't get a hold of the escort in question for a response, but that shouldn't stop a negative review from being published from an established reviewer that has multiple reviews. When that one review of mine wasn't published (to stop people from even considering the guy to hire), it made me feel like, "Why am I wasting my time then?", and never wrote any other reviews for several months after that.

[Guest]

Oh! Is that what this is about?

 

HooBoy's original policy on no-shows remains in place to this day. If you didn't eat in the restaurant you can't review the food.

 

I would have to say that I disagree with a policy banning no-show reviews. When I set up an appointment with an escort, a great deal of time and effort goes into it. I do a lot of research, e-mails, texting, get the money, hold my prostate (i.e. I typically don't jack off for two days before the appointment), and get myself cleaned up. When an escort doesn't show up, it really screws things up for me. I usually hire only when I travel since I have a domestic partner, and it really puts a monkey wrench on my vacation or business trip. It's one thing not to review a restaurant or an escort because the customer declines to sample the product. It's another to be refused service for no valid reason. I really want to know which escorts are unreliable so I don't waste a lot of time and energy. It's only fair.

[Guest]

One issue I've had is that often escorts for whom I've written a negative review move on to a different persona by the time the review gets on the queue. I've submitted a couple of reviews from escorts that have ripped me off, but some weeks later I get a message "I can't find that person's ad anymore."

[HoseMaster]

I would have to say that I disagree with a policy banning no-show reviews. When I set up an appointment with an escort, a great deal of time and effort goes into it. I do a lot of research, e-mails, texting, get the money, hold my prostate (i.e. I typically don't jack off for two days before the appointment), and get myself cleaned up. When an escort doesn't show up, it really screws things up for me. I usually hire only when I travel since I have a domestic partner, and it really puts a monkey wrench on my vacation or business trip. It's one thing not to review a restaurant or an escort because the customer declines to sample the product. It's another to be refused service for no valid reason. I really want to know which escorts are unreliable so I don't waste a lot of time and energy. It's only fair.

 

I would have to agree with Unicorn here. I've had "no shows" several times before, and even with some well-liked and reviewed escorts. There were times it inconvenienced me in both time and money and prepping, and others should know about that. Maybe there could be just a check box stating that the escort never showed in addition, or maybe reviewers with only a few reviews would not be able to do a "no-show" review. Escorts could still give a response too explaining their actions, and it would be nice to know how reliable an escort is. Even though deej stated earlier that you can't review the food if you've never tried it, you still should be able to review the restaurant that took you so long to serve you your food that you just left and went somewhere else.

[Steven_Draker]

I don't think this site is run very well.

 

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[tom1980]

If you've submitted a negative review that hasn't been published, email Daddy and ask why. I've submitted one negative review that hasn't been published yet. I think it must have gotten lost in the shuffle when the site went down over the summer because that happened with a positive review I submitted. I emailed Daddy when I saw a review for the same escort as my positive review had been published for an encounter that happened after I submitted my review. I got a quick response saying that my review will be posted next week. Now I'm off to send an email asking what happened to the negative review . . .

[rvwnsd]

... I've also submitted 2 negative reviews, but only 1 of those was published... When that one review of mine wasn't published (to stop people from even considering the guy to hire), it made me feel like, "Why am I wasting my time then?", and never wrote any other reviews for several months after that.

 

What was Daddy's response when you emailed him and inquired about the unpublished review? You did ask what happened, didn't you?

 

I would have to say that I disagree with a policy banning no-show reviews. When I set up an appointment with an escort, a great deal of time and effort goes into it. I do a lot of research, e-mails, texting, get the money, hold my prostate (i.e. I typically don't jack off for two days before the appointment), and get myself cleaned up. When an escort doesn't show up, it really screws things up for me. I usually hire only when I travel since I have a domestic partner, and it really puts a monkey wrench on my vacation or business trip. It's one thing not to review a restaurant or an escort because the customer declines to sample the product. It's another to be refused service for no valid reason. I really want to know which escorts are unreliable so I don't waste a lot of time and energy. It's only fair.

 

I'm having a hard time envisioning a review for something that didn't occur. I'm also having a hard time grasping the number of no-shows that you must have experienced in order to feel so passionately about them. I think I have had two in fourteen years. One of those was a regular who came down with the flu, was sick in bed, and forgot we had an appointment. How many no-shows have you experienced?

 

One issue I've had is that often escorts for whom I've written a negative review move on to a different persona by the time the review gets on the queue. I've submitted a couple of reviews from escorts that have ripped me off, but some weeks later I get a message "I can't find that person's ad anymore."

 

Is your issue with the rip-off artist who promptly changed or simply deleted his ad or with the review site that vets and queues up reviews several weeks in advance? Don't forget that the vetting process can weed out illegitimate positive reviews, too.

[jgoo]

I might consider that the whole analogy about one not being able to review a restaurant if you didn't eat there is a bit too restrictive. If we continue that analogy a bit, if I make a reservation at a restaurant and when I show up to find the restaurant has closed for the night without explanation, moved to another location without notice or doesn't respect my confirmed reservation so I can't eat there, isn't any or all of that information useful to other potential customers of that restaurant? As such, isn't a limited "review" about that specific aspect of the event appropriate and useful? Of course nothing about the food or actual service (other than that related to taking the reservation) is appropriate and as such the review should be limited to the issue of the reservation not being honored.

[Guy Fawkes]

The "No Show" Policy...

 

The No-Show policy has been in place and documented for more than a decade:

Do you take "No-Show" reviews?

 

In general we look at these on a case-by-case basis. In general we "Hold" these type of reviews because it is very difficult to verify this type of situation.

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[littlenut]

I believe that we see a lot of positive reviews because we, as reviewers, like to either boast of our experience, or sometimes we're trying to make an impression on the escort. I'm guilty of the former. When I read my reviews a few months later I'm embarrassed by my enthusiasm. A lot of the reviews I read either sound like the reviewer is trying to establish that he had a special bond with the escort, or the reviewer is hoping for some escort gratitude.

 

I'm glad you've said this. While I'm not that experienced with escorts, I've had a few sessions. I ask for "boyfriend" experiences, and they were pleasant. I've had good times. But it's not as though I've struck up friendships, or had magical evenings where we've shared our innermost feelings. In my experiences, they have been business transactions - very pleasant, enjoyable business transactions. Sometimes when I read reviews - especially of escorts I've been with - I wonder what I'm missing because the review reads like a first date. Perhaps others take an approach similar to yours for writing reviews. (Or maybe I'm just not the type of person people warm up to in a couple of hours. Entirely possible.)

[Bart]

I am one of the posters that has issued a good number of reviews and I do use reviews as a point of reference, but only one point. I have issued two negative reviews. I could have probably issued several more but reluctant to do so because in two of the cases they were popular gentlemen and the forum tends kill the messenger that all may not be perfect for the stars. But what I will do is comment privately when a name comes up that I may have had either a bad experience or just okay. The okay ones I wish there was another method to issue a review but not make it seem negative. There are decent guys who a good at what they do but only for a select crowd.

 

But to keep in tune with adding a constructive comment I do believe there should be a way of reporting no-shows. I don't want to create more work for an overloaded "Daddy" but if there was a way to for the public to report a no-show and if Daddy received a couple for the same gentlemen well maybe Daddy could put his famous "thumbs down" with the reviews. I say this because happened to me several times and 1. yes it did cost me a plane ticket and hotel room, I know my time is worthless but 2. I would have gladly spent my money on someone else. If the person has history of blowing off clients why waste my time on someone who is inconsistent. If all you have is positive reviews than you are only showing one side of the gentleman's business. I would suggest Daddy may wish to ask gentlemen how they feel about a record of no-shows being kept.

[HoseMaster]

What was Daddy's response when you emailed him and inquired about the unpublished review? You did ask what happened, didn't you?

 

I never got a response, so I felt like my time was wasted and never pursued it.

 

But to keep in tune with adding a constructive comment I do believe there should be a way of reporting no-shows. I don't want to create more work for an overloaded "Daddy" but if there was a way to for the public to report a no-show and if Daddy received a couple for the same gentlemen well maybe Daddy could put his famous "thumbs down" with the reviews. I say this because happened to me several times and 1. yes it did cost me a plane ticket and hotel room' date=' I know my time is worthless but 2. I would have gladly spent my money on someone else. If the person has history of blowing off clients why waste my time on someone who is inconsistent. If all you have is positive reviews than you are only showing one side of the gentleman's business. I would suggest Daddy may wish to ask gentlemen how they feel about a record of no-shows being kept. [/quote']

 

I most wholeheartedly agree. Daddy stated that it's very difficult to verify this type of situation. However, I tend to disagree. How does one verify what went on in a positive or negative review then? The escort does have a chance to respond to those reviews if something was stated that didn't happen, just as the escort would have a chance to dispute a no-show. I've wasted time and money on no-shows, and I do think that it would be a valuable service to report that. Obviously bart was out a plane ticket and hotel room, so that's not just chicken feed either. I don't think a first-time reviewer should post a no-show, but I do think that people that have at least 3 to 5 published reviews should be able to do a no-show. It shows a build up of trust that way, and not just one of those first time reviewers who I never trust anyway. Just because something has been in place more than a decade doesn't mean it's the best either. Change is good sometimes.

[TruHart1]

A Tragedy of Errors?

 

If you've submitted a negative review that hasn't been published, email Daddy and ask why. I've submitted one negative review that hasn't been published yet. I think it must have gotten lost in the shuffle when the site went down over the summer because that happened with a positive review I submitted. I emailed Daddy when I saw a review for the same escort as my positive review had been published for an encounter that happened after I submitted my review. I got a quick response saying that my review will be posted next week. Now I'm off to send an email asking what happened to the negative review . . .

 

Interesting, tom. It appears your negative review has been posted today (10/13.) The delay just may have been because of the escort's need to respond. However, as a noted contributor to this forum writing a review of an escort who has only positive reviews otherwise, it might seem by reading both your in-depth review specifics and the escort's detailed response that there were quite a number of miscued events occurring that neither party understood.

 

If you do not want to contact the escort for rectification, who could blame you? For you it was obviously a very disappointing experience. If you did not understand the escort's state of mind in venting and he failed to read your discomfort with that (and your interpretation as his indiscretion) then perhaps it would be better to move on, as your review indicates you have already done.

 

Everyone really should attempt to be upfront if the escort does anything that causes them as client to be uncomfortable or just downright disappointed. It isn't always easy to do though, so I understand it happens more often than it should. I have been in like situations with well reviewed escorts (not many, thank goodness) and I just left the appointment with the belief that for whatever reason our communication was down and that I would never hire that particular escort again.

 

Just a few thoughts on what seems a sad situation IMHO.

 

TruHart1

[+ Charlie]

 

 

Everyone really should attempt to be upfront if the escort does anything that causes them as client to be uncomfortable or just downright disappointed. It isn't always easy to do though, so I understand it happens more often than it should.

Just a few thoughts on what seems a sad situation IMHO.

 

TruHart1

It certainly isn't always easy to do, and one should be prepared for blowback. A number of years ago I wrote a review of an escort who was also active on the MB at the time. The review was long and fairly positive, because although I had been somewhat disappointed with the experience, the escort was rather new and I thought he had great potential. I made a couple of comments that I thought were neutral observations, neither positive nor negative, and it was published by Hooboy or Daddy, who didn't see it as a negative review and didn't ask the escort for response. I got a furious private message from the escort, who read everything that wasn't gushing praise as negative, and he attacked almost every post I made here for the next month. I finally had to shut him up with a PM reminding him of a seriously negative fact that I could have reported in the review but didn't, because it would have done real damage to his image. All of his subsequent reviews were positive, but I wondered from then on about how genuine they were.

[Steven_Draker]

Everyone really should attempt to be upfront if the escort does anything that causes them as client to be uncomfortable or just downright disappointed.

 

Did you mean to be upfront and react "right on the spot" during the session, instead of keeping it for himself, not saying anything and then venting about it in a review?

[TruHart1]

Did you mean to be upfront and react "right on the spot" during the session, instead of keeping it for himself, not saying anything and then venting about it in a review?

 

Yes Steven, that was my intent. I myself have failed to do this in a few (2 to be exact) hires so I understand it might not be the easiest course to follow. If presented in a non-threatening, non-confrontational way (i.e. "could we try this or that?" or "I'm not comfortable with that.") it might make the hire end up a positive experience rather than the negative experience it usually ends up being if the client is unhappy.

 

TruHart1

[+ Funguy]

Can you not simply post, "So and so was a no-show. Anybody have the same experience?"

 

Is that allowed?

[MiamiLooker]

Yes Steven, that was my intent. I myself have failed to do this in a few (2 to be exact) hires so I understand it might not be the easiest course to follow. If presented in a non-threatening, non-confrontational way (i.e. "could we try this or that?" or "I'm not comfortable with that.") it might make the hire end up a positive experience rather than the negative experience it usually ends up being if the client is unhappy.

 

TruHart1

 

For the client not to be directing the escort during a session is probably a very common reaction by a client. A good escort should realize that even though the session is simply one of many “business” appointments for him, it’s a fulfillment of a fantasy for the client. Is it fair that a client expects the escort to be intuitive? Maybe not, but I believe that most clients have that expectation when hiring someone that represents himself as a professional.

[Steven_Draker]

... it might make the hire end up a positive experience rather than the negative experience it usually ends up being if the client is unhappy.

 

Looking at it from the other side of the equation, I totally concur with you, TruHart.

[Steven_Draker]

If you've submitted a negative review that hasn't been published, email Daddy and ask why. I've submitted one negative review that hasn't been published yet. I think it must have gotten lost in the shuffle when the site went down over the summer because that happened with a positive review I submitted. I emailed Daddy when I saw a review for the same escort as my positive review had been published for an encounter that happened after I submitted my review. I got a quick response saying that my review will be posted next week. Now I'm off to send an email asking what happened to the negative review . . .

 

 

But.... if I read this right..... Amir contacted you several times privately after he knew you were less than pleased... apologized every time, offered to meet again and make it up to you (fuck you for free) or meet again and give you some of your money back?

 

And yet.... when you read the Negative Review thread, you contacted Daddy and asked why yours hadn't published? By that point, after all the apologies, free fucking etc, why not just let it stay the fuck lost?

 

I was wondering the exact SAME thing.

[+ WilliamM]

I understand completely why tom wanted the negative review posted on this site.

 

I have had very few negative experiences, but what happens afterwards during contacts with the escort would not change my opinion of what when on during the appointment. The exception would be an escort whom I knew, liked and had hired before. That was not tom's situation.

[Guy Fawkes]

We're done here....

 

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