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In the same week that nutcake cattle owner in Nevada said that Blacks are best off as slaves, the new owner of the LA Clippers basketball team has told his mixed-race girlfriend not bring blacks to Clipper games.

 

From sfgate.com: Clippers owners Donald Sterling has allegedly told his multiracial girlfriend he doesn’t want her to bring black people, including NBA Hall of Famer Magic Johnson, to his NBA games.

The argument appears to be centered around photos his girlfriend, V. Stiviano, posted to her Instagram feed. Hear the recording, posted by TMZ Sports, above.

In the nearly 10-minute heated exchange, Sterling tells his girlfriend, who identifies herself as a “mix,” that he wants her to love black people privately and not post photos of herself with minorities.

He told her that she’s “supposed to be a delicate white or a delicate Latina girl” and taking photos with minorities is like “talking to an enemy.”

He added, “Why bring it to my games?” around 4:05 and later in the argument specifically says he doesn’t want Magic Johnson to come to his games."

 

No comment yet from escort seaboy4hire, who agrees with Bundy that blacks are best off as slaves, but there is a possibility that the new Clippers owner will be suspended.

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Certainly race is still a huge issue in the US but as best I can tell this was a private conversation which was taped and made public by someone other than the parties involved. Am I concerned that bigots such as this man continue to wield great financial power, certainly. I am also concerned that private conversations are being made public with eyes and ears everywhere spying on everything we say and do.

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In the same week that nutcake cattle owner in Nevada said that Blacks are best off as slaves, the new owner of the LA Clippers basketball team has told his mixed-race girlfriend not bring blacks to Clipper games.

 

From sfgate.com: Clippers owners Donald Sterling has allegedly told his multiracial girlfriend he doesn’t want her to bring black people, including NBA Hall of Famer Magic Johnson, to his NBA games.

The argument appears to be centered around photos his girlfriend, V. Stiviano, posted to her Instagram feed. Hear the recording, posted by TMZ Sports, above.

In the nearly 10-minute heated exchange, Sterling tells his girlfriend, who identifies herself as a “mix,” that he wants her to love black people privately and not post photos of herself with minorities.

He told her that she’s “supposed to be a delicate white or a delicate Latina girl” and taking photos with minorities is like “talking to an enemy.”

He added, “Why bring it to my games?” around 4:05 and later in the argument specifically says he doesn’t want Magic Johnson to come to his games."

 

No comment yet from escort seaboy4hire, who agrees with Bundy that blacks are best off as slaves, but there is a possibility that the new Clippers owner will be suspended.

 

He sounds like an asshole who's trying to manage his image, and what he said was reprehensible. I don't like the idea of anyone getting fired over the content of a private conversation not involving illegal activities, especially when it was recorded without his knowledge. The slippery slope here is steep.

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He sounds like an asshole who's trying to manage his image, and what he said was reprehensible. I don't like the idea of anyone getting fired over the content of a private conversation not involving illegal activities, especially when it was recorded without his knowledge. The slippery slope here is steep.

 

Precisely...now someone explain to me why the girlfriend is getting a pass. What is she doing with this douchbag...Oh wait....surely it couldn't be about the money?

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Certainly race is still a huge issue in the US but as best I can tell this was a private conversation which was taped and made public by someone other than the parties involved. Am I concerned that bigots such as this man continue to wield great financial power, certainly. I am also concerned that private conversations are being made public with eyes and ears everywhere spying on everything we say and do.
PK, I'm more concerned with the concept of interfering with a man's finances simply due to his particular method of bigotry.

 

I don't believe you are saying, he's a bigot take away his finances. That's truly a slippery-slope.

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It's hard to see the recording as coming from anyone but the girl friend. TMX also reports:

 

"Sterling has a documented history of allegedly racist behavior -- he's been sued twice by the federal government for allegedly refusing to rent apartments to Blacks and Latinos.

 

He was also sued by former Clippers exec Elgin Baylor for racial discrimination -- though a jury was ultimately not convinced and shot down Baylor's case.

 

Read more: http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/26/donald-sterling-clippers-owner-black-people-racist-audio-magic-johnson/#ixzz30302FWt5

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Note: I was wrong about Sterling being the new owner. He has owned the team for years.

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PK, I'm more concerned with the concept of interfering with a man's finances simply due to his particular method of bigotry.

 

I don't believe you are saying, he's a bigot take away his finances. That's truly a slippery-slope.

I agree with you, if you do not like a businessman's ideas, take your business elsewhere. Those calling for him to sell the team might call for a boycott but forcing him to sell the team by fiat, which some have proposed the league do, is overkill.

As for the girlfriend being the source, it has been reported that the source of the tape is a woman he has accused of embezzling a large amount of money from him. The identity of her source was not reported.

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Let's see how this develops over the next week. If Sterling does indeed have a well documented history of racist behavior, as Frankly Rich posted, and can not explain it away (as well of other incidents that may come up), he should not own a professional basketball team. In decades past, many racists owned professionals sports team, we need to put those days behind us, starting will Sterling, if he can not explain the accusations against him.

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Precisely...now someone explain to me why the girlfriend is getting a pass. What is she doing with this douchbag...Oh wait....surely it couldn't be about the money?

 

She may not have known until that conversation. She is, after all, of mixed race, so he was probably smart enough to conceal his racism from her for a while. If she had known and was ok with it, I doubt she would bring her black friends to the games.

 

And if she did know...it's amazing what people can excuse when they're in lust, whether they're with the person or his money/power.

 

As for dating him for the money, the appeal of dating a team owner is more status and power than the money per se.

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Ironically, Sterling is scheduled to receive a Lifetime Achievement Award from the L.A. chapter of the NAACP, although I have a feeling they may reconsider. (I hope)

 

Rob

 

Lifetime achievement award from the NAACP, mixed race girlfriend, and he's a racist. He's either a very complex character or a sociopath.

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Lifetime achievement award from the NAACP, mixed race girlfriend, and he's a racist. He's either a very complex character or a sociopath.

The son of Jewish immigrants, a lawyer from the wrong side of the tracks, built his wealth - $2 Billion - between his divorce and personal injury law practice and his real estate investing. He's owned the Clippers for 33 years. Yeah, I don't think you can push the sociopath label on a self-made man from Boyle Heights.

 

Many people say things in anger that taken out-of-context, especially the context of Sterling's generosity to the Los Angeles community, and the fact he owns so much of it, anyone can be painted with the bigotry paintbrush. The measure of the man is in what he's done as he's grown wealthy. Sure he's had some skirmishes with racism accusations and I believe I remember some tawdry accusations from some tenants in the past but the whole measure is something less than the current shouting and not quite so STERLING as his name, but he has been extremely generous to many groups in Los Angeles. He's a guy who's made a fortune, he's stepped on toes over the years. He also has owned a professional sports team employing many minorities who earned million dollar contracts.

 

It's a muddle - it's not quite what it appears to be and to trash talk him, take away his money and his basketball team is far to simplistic a solution for so complicated a situation.

 

We all have choices. We can boycott his rental properties, his Clippers, the NAACP and anyone else to express our disgust, but to say he must give up his team or his wealth is a precedent none of us would agree to simply because our dark secrets got displayed in public.

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Lifetime achievement award from the NAACP, mixed race girlfriend, and he's a racist. He's either a very complex character or a sociopath.

 

He is a man who has been publicly called a racist.

He is a man who has been sued and won two cases of racial discrimination.

He is a man who had a tape of a private conversation that expresses racist thoughts come to light on TMZ Sports, that bastion of hard-hitting news and scrupulous journalism. This tape was supplied by a woman accused of embezzling a large sum of money from him.

A creature of many diverse parts.

Of course, there have been other rumors which subscribe to his being a racist.

Perhaps he is, after all where there is smoke certainly there is fire.

But, he is a man who was to be honored by the NAACP, and this after he was sued twice for racial discrimination. What prompted that proposed honor?

He is a man dating a muti-racial woman. Was she just turning a blind eye for the prestige which befalls those being with a rich man or was there something more?

He is a man who owns a team in the sport which has the highest percentage of black players of any sport in the US. Odd choice for a man who does not wish to associate with black people at his nuevo popular basketball team.

Seems there are many inconsistencies in this story but the townspeople are already out with the pitchforks and torches. Maybe he is a monster. I am not convinced either way, perhaps we should ask the blind girl.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting choices and circumstances abound here. The accusations that have come to public attention and brought to court have proven to be insufficient to find for racial discrimination.

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The tape of the phone conversation is either accurate or fake; it does not matter who provided the tape or whether TMZ broke the story.

 

purplekow, my guess is that you do not follow professional sports very closely. Sterling fits the profile of many major professional sports team owners. They may, or may not, be racists. But, many are Lyndon Johnson-types who get things done, while breaking a few eggs both in their personal and professional lives. Sterling owns the team. The mostly African-American players are usually not his friends; they are his employees. There's not enough space here to give other comparisons, but naming LBJ should be enough.

 

You did make excellent points in some of your other comments. Any landlord/seller with many properties is going to find himself (or more accurately, his lawyers) in court frequently -- perhaps without cause in many situations, but not others.

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Hey, I said very complex character or sociopath!

 

Here's my take: He probably wanted to move up in the social world and thought that being associated with black people would hurt that.

 

We all have choices. We can boycott his rental properties, his Clippers, the NAACP and anyone else to express our disgust, but to say he must give up his team or his wealth is a precedent none of us would agree to simply because our dark secrets got displayed in public.

 

As I posted above, I completely agree with this part.

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The son of Jewish immigrants, a lawyer from the wrong side of the tracks, built his wealth - $2 Billion - between his divorce and personal injury law practice and his real estate investing. He's owned the Clippers for 33 years. Yeah, I don't think you can push the sociopath label on a self-made man from Boyle Heights.

 

Granted, this Clippers dude probably isn't a sociopath, since sociopaths are generally slicker.

 

But being a son of Jewish immigrants and growing up on the wrong side of the tracks doesn't preclude a man from being a sociopath. Look at Bernie Madoff.

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Here's my take: He probably wanted to move up in the social world and thought that being associated with black people would hurt that.

 

 

Sterling is eighty-one years old, and is apparently very well-known in southern California for his good deeds and alleged past racial comments. Anyone who has owned a major sports team must have had many chances in the past to move up in the social world. The fact that he still is trying into his 80s speaking volumns about the man.

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The son of Jewish immigrants, a lawyer from the wrong side of the tracks, built his wealth - $2 Billion - between his divorce and personal injury law practice and his real estate investing. He's owned the Clippers for 33 years. Yeah, I don't think you can push the sociopath label on a self-made man from Boyle Heights.

 

Many people say things in anger that taken out-of-context, especially the context of Sterling's generosity to the Los Angeles community, and the fact he owns so much of it, anyone can be painted with the bigotry paintbrush. The measure of the man is in what he's done as he's grown wealthy. Sure he's had some skirmishes with racism accusations and I believe I remember some tawdry accusations from some tenants in the past but the whole measure is something less than the current shouting and not quite so STERLING as his name, but he has been extremely generous to many groups in Los Angeles. He's a guy who's made a fortune, he's stepped on toes over the years. He also has owned a professional sports team employing many minorities who earned million dollar contracts.

 

It's a muddle - it's not quite what it appears to be and to trash talk him, take away his money and his basketball team is far to simplistic a solution for so complicated a situation.

 

We all have choices. We can boycott his rental properties, his Clippers, the NAACP and anyone else to express our disgust, but to say he must give up his team or his wealth is a precedent none of us would agree to simply because our dark secrets got displayed in public.

 

1. Where did a poster suggest this buffoons wealth should be taken away? Did you forget which country most of us live in? That doesn't happen to people whose views many of us really don't like and you should know that.

2. As for him having to give up his team, owning a professional sports franchise isn't a right. Owners sign into the league and that organization has rights we may not all be aware of. MAYBE they can't force him to SELL (you know, get cash or value for something) but Donald may have made it very difficult to participate in league owner meetings and decisions (more people won't like him) and he may find it difficult to get players he wants to work for him. So, if the latter results, he may need to sell because he'll watch the value of his team diminish, poor on court results will add to the possible loss of attendance from people who exercise their right to freely choose where they spend their money and don't want to put money in not so Sterling's pockets.

3. Who knows why Donald gave money away, for tax purposes or maybe his views have deteriorated over time. Doesn't really matter if its the case he's a racist and is too stupid to keep those vile thoughts in his head and not coming out of his mouth. Racists who want to become rich or stay rich but can't keep their thoughts to themselves should trade stocks from home as that's a job that won't be impaired if your views become public.

 

When in business or working for one, speaking stupid has consequences. Someone doesn't knock on your door to take whatever wealth you do have or claim to have, you do that to yourself.

 

I think California is a state where only one party to a conversation needs to give consent to recording. If neither Sterling or his woman gave consent I imagine the authorities are looking for someone to arrest - and they should prosecute that person. I actually think its dumb that laws don't require both parties to consent to a recording. Some things should never be said and some should be said only in person with the right kind of background noise or after a sweep has been done.

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Ironically, Sterling is scheduled to receive a Lifetime Achievement Award from the L.A. chapter of the NAACP, although I have a feeling they may reconsider. (I hope)

 

Rob

 

They'll give anyone (obviously) an award if they give enough money. His bigotry was well known (and it's bigotry and prejudice, not racisim, and there is a difference) so why did they agree -- except for money -- to give to this sorry excuse for a person?

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1. Where did a poster suggest this buffoons wealth should be taken away? Did you forget which country most of us live in? That doesn't happen to people whose views many of us really don't like and you should know that.
Go read the thread. No poster said that, but there is discussion to define a poster's post that could be interpreted to say that.

2. As for him having to give up his team, owning a professional sports franchise isn't a right. Owners sign into the league and that organization has rights we may not all be aware of. MAYBE they can't force him to SELL (you know, get cash or value for something) but Donald may have made it very difficult to participate in league owner meetings and decisions (more people won't like him) and he may find it difficult to get players he wants to work for him. So, if the latter results, he may need to sell because he'll watch the value of his team diminish, poor on court results will add to the possible loss of attendance from people who exercise their right to freely choose where they spend their money and don't want to put money in not so Sterling's pockets.
In other words, you don't know what an NBA owner's rights are but you'd like to see his team taken away from him. Again, he's owned the team for 33 years, since 1981. You also don't know that during Sterling's ownership Sports Illustrated awarded the team with the Worst Franchise in Professional Sports for it's endless losing seasons. The Clippers have only had multiple winning seasons the last three years.

 

He's been sued in the 1990's for racial discrimination and paid over $6 million in fines. But he's also won a lawsuit that alleged he's a racist.

 

Again, the recording of a private conversation, published out-of-context, and still yet unknown that it's actually Sterling talking, cannot be construed on a factual basis for removing him from ownership. How would you like to have your private conversation aired to the world? Ever said something to a confidant that you'd be embarrassed to have publicized?

3. Who knows why Donald gave money away, for tax purposes or maybe his views have deteriorated over time. Doesn't really matter if its the case he's a racist and is too stupid to keep those vile thoughts in his head and not coming out of his mouth. Racists who want to become rich or stay rich but can't keep their thoughts to themselves should trade stocks from home as that's a job that won't be impaired if your views become public.
Those vile thoughts should stay in his mind. And your vile thoughts never come out of your mouth?

 

Who is the judge as to why he gave it away. If an organization wants to recognize his philanthropy, that's their business. You've already painted him a racist when the evidence is still unproven. And he's not a stock trader, he's a real estate investor-billionaire. And I doubt you would want someone to say you should have your liberties restricted to your domicile due to your free speech.

 

When in business or working for one, speaking stupid has consequences. Someone doesn't knock on your door to take whatever wealth you do have or claim to have, you do that to yourself.
Whether in business, working for a business or just plain walking down the street, there are consequences to hateful speech. But what should be the consequences to an individual's hate speech in a private conversation with his girlfriend? Again, let's secretly record private conversations with someone who sounds like you and broadcast it to the world. Sterling hasn't stated those are his words - all he said is those aren't his beliefs. TMZ Sports has said those are his words.

 

I think California is a state where only one party to a conversation needs to give consent to recording. If neither Sterling or his woman gave consent I imagine the authorities are looking for someone to arrest - and they should prosecute that person. I actually think its dumb that laws don't require both parties to consent to a recording. Some things should never be said and some should be said only in person with the right kind of background noise or after a sweep has been done.
Glad you're thinking - here you are on the Internet - where you could confirm the California's wiretapping laws with a simple search... if as alleged, the recording was made by a third person, does your 'thinking' hold up? Oh, and by the way:

California's wiretapping law is a "two-party consent" law. California makes it a crime to record or eavesdrop on any confidential communication, including a private conversation or telephone call, without the consent of all parties to the conversation. See Cal. Penal Code § 632. The statute applies to "confidential communications" -- i.e., conversations in which one of the parties has an objectively reasonable expectation that no one is listening in or overhearing the conversation. See Flanagan v. Flanagan, 41 P.3d 575, 576-77, 578-82 (Cal. 2002). A California appellate court has ruled that this statute applies to the use of hidden video cameras to record conversations as well. See California v. Gibbons, 215 Cal. App. 3d 1204 (Cal Ct. App. 1989).

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/california-recording-law

You shouldn't lead with "I think" and then report a falsehood, your readers are left to consider, "Are you wrong in your thinking? or Are you attempting to mislead?" Because you definitely have an Internet Connected Computer while THINKING then stating falsehoods while not researching.

 

This entire TMZ Sports 'news article' has been sliced and diced and he's been judged a RACIST! before any evidence has been weighed. With the TMZ Sports article, it's an accusation and it seems most of the world has already tried and adjudicated Sterling a racist. I sure wouldn't want to face that standard of justice.

 

By the way, having read the dmll.org blurb, Sterling just might have a lawsuit of his own to file for defamation of character. I doubt he would seek Criminal Prosecution-there's no money in that. It will be interesting to watch this soap opera.

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Even Obama's Out There With a Verdict.

 

President Barack Obama says he’s “confident” the NBA will address and resolve the controversy surrounding the “incredibly offensive racist statements” attributed to Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling.

“The owner is reported to have said some incredibly offensive racist statements that were published. I don’t think I have to interpret those statements for you; they kind of speak for themselves,” Obama said at a press conference in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, on Sunday.

“When people — when ignorant folks want to advertise their ignorance you don’t really have to do anything, you just let them talk. And that’s what happened here.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/president-obama-donald-sterling-remarks-106062.html

Looks like the Chief Law Officer of the Land has adjudicated the situation as well. At least he used "reported to have said", before declaring Sterling guilty...
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Looks like the Chief Law Officer of the Land has adjudicated the situation as well. At least he used "reported to have said", before declaring Sterling guilty...

 

Funny, I don't see the word "guilty" in there.

 

I do see a universal truth: when someone wants to show off their ignorance they will. We see it around here all the time.

 

Repeating the variously misattributed line: it's better to stay silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.

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The tape of the phone conversation is either accurate or fake; it does not matter who provided the tape or whether TMZ broke the story.

 

 

So you think that TMZ a "news organization" that usually gathers "news" by yelling non-sequiters to C list celebrities at the airport or outside a restaurant and which spends the majority of their air time discussing Kim Kardeshian's ass, has the journalistic integrity of other outlets. Perhaps this person went to TMZ knowing full well that they may be less likely to look too deeply into the source? I think if Time Magazine or the Washington Post or Wall Street Journal had broken the story it may hold a bit more credibility. That is not to say that TMZ may not be correct, but for right now, this qualifies as a rumor. TMZ are rumor-mongers and not really journalists and should be regarded as such.

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Go read the thread. No poster said that, but there is discussion to define a poster's post that could be interpreted to say that.

In other words, you don't know what an NBA owner's rights are but you'd like to see his team taken away from him. Again, he's owned the team for 33 years, since 1981. You also don't know that during Sterling's ownership Sports Illustrated awarded the team with the Worst Franchise in Professional Sports for it's endless losing seasons. The Clippers have only had multiple winning seasons the last three years.

 

He's been sued in the 1990's for racial discrimination and paid over $6 million in fines. But he's also won a lawsuit that alleged he's a racist.

 

Again, the recording of a private conversation, published out-of-context, and still yet unknown that it's actually Sterling talking, cannot be construed on a factual basis for removing him from ownership. How would you like to have your private conversation aired to the world? Ever said something to a confidant that you'd be embarrassed to have publicized?

Those vile thoughts should stay in his mind. And your vile thoughts never come out of your mouth?

 

Who is the judge as to why he gave it away. If an organization wants to recognize his philanthropy, that's their business. You've already painted him a racist when the evidence is still unproven. And he's not a stock trader, he's a real estate investor-billionaire. And I doubt you would want someone to say you should have your liberties restricted to your domicile due to your free speech.

 

Whether in business, working for a business or just plain walking down the street, there are consequences to hateful speech. But what should be the consequences to an individual's hate speech in a private conversation with his girlfriend? Again, let's secretly record private conversations with someone who sounds like you and broadcast it to the world. Sterling hasn't stated those are his words - all he said is those aren't his beliefs. TMZ Sports has said those are his words.

 

Glad you're thinking - here you are on the Internet - where you could confirm the California's wiretapping laws with a simple search... if as alleged, the recording was made by a third person, does your 'thinking' hold up? Oh, and by the way:

You shouldn't lead with "I think" and then report a falsehood, your readers are left to consider, "Are you wrong in your thinking? or Are you attempting to mislead?" Because you definitely have an Internet Connected Computer while THINKING then stating falsehoods while not researching.

 

This entire TMZ Sports 'news article' has been sliced and diced and he's been judged a RACIST! before any evidence has been weighed. With the TMZ Sports article, it's an accusation and it seems most of the world has already tried and adjudicated Sterling a racist. I sure wouldn't want to face that standard of justice.

 

By the way, having read the dmll.org blurb, Sterling just might have a lawsuit of his own to file for defamation of character. I doubt he would seek Criminal Prosecution-there's no money in that. It will be interesting to watch this soap opera.

 

English must not be a second language for you but way down the list and you've not learned it well :) As for the eavesdropping law, maybe you've done something useful, probably shouldn't get used to that.

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