Craigslist????

[down_to_business]

I enjoyed reading your point of view. The thing I take away most from it is how important it is to have regulars. Your method works for you, and that is good. You worked hard to build up a good clientele, and you treat your "guys" professionally. If you did not have regulars and/or a good reputation, you might find yourself competing on price like many others who expressed such.

 

As to your point on yellow and blue, you kind of lost me. If I wanted something yellow, but the blue one was cheaper, I actually have gotten blue instead. Now that doesn't mean I would ever make an appointment with someone and then cancel on them at the last minute because I found someone else to do it for less. On the other some escorts have cancelled on someone at the last minute because they found someone else to pay more.

 

I don't like hiring from craigslist, but it appears no less safe than hiring from Rentboy. The escort that threatened and attempted to blackmail me was reviewed on this website and advertised on another website, not craigslist or backpage.

 

Finally, using another metaphor, shopping. I can go to Neiman Marcus and I could go to Wal-Mart. The stores are different, the average customer is different. I wouldn't go to Wal-Mart expecting to find the same things I would be shopping for at Neiman Marcus either. But there is no tier shopping website that separates a $300 an hour escort from a $100 an hour escort. In addition, there is a big number of escorts on each site that say ask me or negotiable or leave it blank. If I were looking for a $100 an hour escort, I would never walk into Neiman Marcus to begin with. Likewise, the $300 an hour escort shouldn't be part of the selection of merchandise at Wal-Mart. Yet all kinds escorts are advertised on Men4rentnow, Rentmen, Rentboy, etc.

[jimboivyo]

are folks that cheap that they ignore the warning signs of how dangerous CL is? use your goddamned brain

 

hire with good reviews. it's damned simple. if a guy has 30 great write ups, it's likely you'll be giving him positive review #31

[Juan Vancouver]

are folks that cheap that they ignore the warning signs of how dangerous CL is? use your goddamned brain

 

hire with good reviews. it's damned simple. if a guy has 30 great write ups, it's likely you'll be giving him positive review #31

 

Yes, I agree with you.the worst thing that can happen with a consistently well reviewed escort is that the chemistry is not up the roof. Nothing else will go wrong.

 

The escort that threatened and attempted to blackmail me was reviewed on this website and advertised on another website, not craigslist or backpage.

 

That sounds terrible. I am sorry that you went through that. I am just curious: you said that he was reviewed here. Did he have only great reviews? Did he have mixed reviews? Did you submit a review explaining what happened with him?

 

The only way to make sure reviews are reliable and useful is to learn to use them correctly and to keep them updated with all the relevant information.

 

May all your coming hires end up being fun, hot and easy!

[MiamiLooker]

Yes, I agree with you.the worst thing that can happen with a consistently well reviewed escort is that the chemistry is not up the roof. Nothing else will go wrong.

 

I know a vey well reviewed escort that has been arrested more than once for domestic abuse. As far as I know, he's never been physical with a client, but there's no guarantee he won't.

[jimboivyo]

I know a vey well reviewed escort that has been arrested more than once for domestic abuse. As far as I know, he's never been physical with a client, but there's no guarantee he won't.

 

to that end I'll add that I know of escorts who are reviewed, talked highly of here and don't honestly disclose their hiv status. if you asked them, they would lie to your face

 

domestic abuse you can learn and move on from. same with being a former addict. I can't say the same for AIDS

[instudiocity]

to that end I'll add that I know of escorts who are reviewed, talked highly of here and don't honestly disclose their hiv status. if you asked them, they would lie to your face

 

domestic abuse you can learn and move on from. same with being a former addict. I can't say the same for AIDS

ALWAYS ASSUME THAT EVERYONE YOU ARE HAVING SEX WITH IS HIV+.

 

I'd rather trash talk you about believing that your consorts are HIV- before I would get into a discussion of what escort is and is not HIV+.

 

Assuming EVERYONE IS HIV+ is the only way to play the game.

[instudiocity]

I know a vey well reviewed escort that has been arrested more than once for domestic abuse. As far as I know, he's never been physical with a client, but there's no guarantee he won't.

I know a secret,

I know a secret,

GROW THE FUCK UP!

 

This isn't the forum for trashing a guy who's been arrested for losing his temper with a domestic partner. Oh, wait, until it's in the news, there isn't a forum for your discussion...

[instudiocity]

I don't like hiring from craigslist, but it appears no less safe than hiring from Rentboy. The escort that threatened and attempted to blackmail me was reviewed on this website and advertised on another website, not craigslist or backpage.

 

One needs to ask,

 

1) Did you call the Police to report the Blackmail and the Assault (Assault is a threat of Battery [bodily harm].)

2) Did you report the advertiser to the website?

3) Have you written a review for Daddy's Reviews?

 

If your answer to all three of the above is NO, then STFU!

 

If you've taken no action against a blackmailing terroristic scam artist masquerading as a well-reviewed escort, you have no business bitching about it here until you have. That's why Daddy's Reviews EXISTS!

[Nvr2Thick]

are folks that cheap that they ignore the warning signs of how dangerous CL is? use your goddamned brain

 

hire with good reviews. it's damned simple. if a guy has 30 great write ups, it's likely you'll be giving him positive review #31

 

Someone has got to take the plunge and be review #1. Whether you see the guy you think you want on Rentboy or Craigslist sometimes you have to try him for yourself.

[down_to_business]

One needs to ask,

 

1) Did you call the Police to report the Blackmail and the Assault (Assault is a threat of Battery [bodily harm].)

2) Did you report the advertiser to the website?

3) Have you written a review for Daddy's Reviews?

 

If your answer to all three of the above is NO, then STFU!

 

If you've taken no action against a blackmailing terroristic scam artist masquerading as a well-reviewed escort, you have no business bitching about it here until you have. That's why Daddy's Reviews EXISTS!

 

I don't need to STFU despite how much you or the escort tries to intimidate me. You won't ever know what action I have or have not taken or why or why not. I think the real villains out there are people like you who want every person to go out there and hire or "play the game" as you call it thinking if they advertise somewhere other than craigslist and have any reviews on daddys that they are safe and secure and when they fart rainbows shoot out of their asses.

[+ FreshFluff]

As to your point on yellow and blue, you kind of lost me. If I wanted something yellow, but the blue one was cheaper, I actually have gotten blue instead. Now that doesn't mean I would ever make an appointment with someone and then cancel on them at the last minute because I found someone else to do it for less. On the other some escorts have cancelled on someone at the last minute because they found someone else to pay more.

 

I think blue vs. yellow was meant as an example of horizontal differentiation, or attributes that appeal to different groups of customers. Examples in the escort world would be physical location and cut vs. uncut dick. Some will pay more for a suburban or an uncut guy, others will pay for the opposite, and still others are indifferent.

 

There is some vertical (quallty) differentiation between Rentboy/M4R, CL, Backpage but not as much as between Neiman's and Wal-mart. I think that's because they're advertising channels not retailers, and because it's much easier and quicker to switch your browser from Rentboy to CL than it is to drive from the fancy Neiman's mall to Wal-Mart.

 

Agencies as they existed 15-20 years ago were more like retailers and, from what I've read here, they did differentiate according to quality and/or tastes. I remember reading that one agency (Premier?) had really good looking guys, another (Campus escorts?) specialized in young guys, etc.

[jimboivyo]

ALWAYS ASSUME THAT EVERYONE YOU ARE HAVING SEX WITH IS HIV+.

 

I'd rather trash talk you about believing that your consorts are HIV- before I would get into a discussion of what escort is and is not HIV+.

 

Assuming EVERYONE IS HIV+ is the only way to play the game.

 

So you're fine with guys who lie about their status? you're a classy one.

 

even if you're using rubber, shit happens and things can get messy. wouldn't it be nice to know the escort you're sleeping with is HIV-

 

As for my own companions, I've seen the paperwork on a couple baby, so bring it on you angry turd

[Bosguy]

So you're fine with guys who lie about their status? you're a classy one.

 

even if you're using rubber, shit happens and things can get messy. wouldn't it be nice to know the escort you're sleeping with is HIV-

 

As for my own companions, I've seen the paperwork on a couple baby, so bring it on you angry turd

 

WOW!!! This type of responses is about as low as I have ever seen on this site. It is possible to respond to topics without this gutter language on apparent disdain for fellow Forum members.

 

Boston Bill

[jimboivyo]

WOW!!! This type of responses is about as low as I have ever seen on this site. It is possible to respond to topics without this gutter language on apparent disdain for fellow Forum members.

 

Boston Bill

 

Don't know why your singling out my post

 

So, telling folks to 'shut the fuck up' and 'grow the fuck up' isn't disdainful? The worst I called him was a turd. Big whoop.

 

if this is what you consider 'as low' then you haven't been around long enough to remember what it was once like

[bomerrang]

Mr. JimBoi, I suggest you take a chill pill and one of your Rolex watches out of storage.

 

Deeeep breaths, deeeeeep breaths.

[jimboivyo]

Mr. JimBoi, I suggest you take a chill pill and one of your Rolex's out of storage.

 

Deeeep breaths, deeeeeep breaths.

 

Darlin, I don't take anything out of secure storage myself. That's why I have people to do it for me

[JoeyBryant]

I say thank you Craigslist.

 

If a prospective client that was about to book me is "cost conscious" as you very elegantly put it and in looking for a bargain is willing to risk his wellness, his time and his money, then I can say categorically that we are not a good match. In any way.

 

I know that some of my clients go and hire from Craigslist. I know my clients hire other escorts, sometimes for the variety, sometimes because they are just cheaper. I am always glad when they do. They always come back really happy to see me, more appreciative than ever before.

 

Well, I understand what you're saying. But sometimes, it comes to a point where it's nothing to do with a client trying to find a bargain or risk his saftey for finding something cheap. Alot of times, it comes down to WHERE the guys are. See, the point I'm making is, it's not JUST about money. Reason why I dip into CL once in awhile, is because that's where more and more prospective clients are looking (and booking).

 

Part of it is due to price though, too. Sometimes, there's not much one can do about it. It's not so much competing on price, like D2B suggested. It's getting to a price that's going to make guys 'bite', so to speak. I'll tell you 1 thing, guys in Denver aren't biting for $200-300/hr anymore. It's not happening. Above $150 here, you're in deep water. I've watched over the months, 1 ad after the next disappear off the market. Why? because guys aren't paying regular escort rates out here. They're finding guys for $50 for the entire weekend, full-service, bareback..no holes barred. I also wonder if the new marijuana laws may have began to kill off the escort market here as well, being that now more and more people are spending money on weed. I don't have any proof of that, but I do know that since that's been approved, the hooker (not hookah) business here has gone straight to hell. Nothing but a bunch of strung out pot-heads in this state.

 

I have regulars I had built up too, just like you...but overtime, some ended up getting really, really finicky about price. 1 guy who I was seeing for awhile, I had stopped seeing after he told me "he's not desperate" when I suggested our usual (already below average) rate for an hour, but he wanted to do it for even LESS. In reality, he didn't want to pay anything anymore. He assumed he'd 'adopted me' as a friend after awhile. Another regular I've known for awhile, seen me last weekend. We were doing something different that we hadn't tried before, I asked for more...I was able to get it, but he almost made me feel bad for asking for it. Another regular I know who likes to come see me, always makes sure I don't ask for more than the rate we have. It's always much lower than my regular 1 hr escort rate. In the beginning, I said every OTHER time he'd get that rate. Now, it's either everytime, or nothing.

 

If a guy chooses to be careful about spending, that's one thing. But these guys out here, are on a completely different level. They aren't even trying to be reasonable.

 

Likewise, the $300 an hour escort shouldn't be part of the selection of merchandise at Wal-Mart.

 

What if that escort were a Samsung 7100 Series 60" 1080p LED (1.2" ultra-slim) HDTV at Walmart, selling for $1,799? Apparently, high dollar electronics aren't avoiding the Wal-Mart market lol. Just the clothing and cookware lol.

 

http://i.walmartimages.com/i/p/00/88/72/76/02/0088727602424_AV2_300X300.jpg

[Amoco]

Let me get this straight, Joey...you're upset with a regular client who balked at paying extra for a sexual act that you hadn't tried before? And you pride yourself on your professionalism?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it illegal to link specific sexual acts to fees? Aren't these the kind of shenanigans that the "amateurs" on CL are famous for? And just for clarity, you're not suggesting that by virtue of advertising on any of the "big three" that there is less inherent risk?

 

As usual, Juan is the most articulate in his commentary: the highest quality escorts are not afraid of competition, and actually understand the value of a competitive environment for their business. More importantly, they understand the they alone have responsibility for the quality of their work and reputation. The market will find the cream and will unconsciously set prices based on supply and demand. The idea that CL and GRINDR are responsible for increased cancellation rates is as ridiculous as blaming the Japenese for the problems in the US auto industry...vacuums need to be filled, and CL fills the void that's left by the grandiose expectations of too many guys asking for too much money. As a result, a potential client does the math and calculates value based on what they get for how much with how much risk. Some will see the value of seeing the well reviewed guys for more, while someone else will decide that taking some risk and finding someone cheaper, albeit with some risk, is the better choice. Ask the top tier of guys if they're experiencing a higher cancellation rate - ask Ben Nicholas, Chris Eisenhower, Tyger, Dave, Juan, Nate or any of the nominees for EOY if they're getting killed.

 

The problem, it seems to me, is that you want to be regarded as a top tier guy that can command the $200-$300 an hour rate, and for whatever reason, the marketplace is telling you otherwise. Frankly, hearing that you would change rates based on what's going in bed would be reason enough for me to not hire you at any rate - let alone a high rate.

[Michael Wayne]

AS the original OP of this thread i would like to say that my purpose in writing it was NOT to engender any strife or conflict. It was actually to promote a positive discourse and dialouge on this crucial subject.

[Michael Wayne]

i have just reviewed the latest 20 responses and EVERYONE is right. We are all saying the same thing here. JUAN: believe me i see things exactly as you do and as a long time pro i agree with you and i conduct myself accordingly. I was simply pointing out what is going on. I do not, as JOEY does, try to lower my rates to compete with the new guys. However, I certainly also respect Joeys' right to do so and i understand it. If i were not ahead financially i probably would do it sometimes. Thankfully my finances are really good these days so i can be selective and only choose the best new clients. Amoco: what you said is dead on correct! In my experience the cancelleation problem is not an issue at all in the big cities where i tour. in the last two years i have had smashingly successful tours in Chicago, Houston, Atlanta, Boston, DC, etc. In those big markets, many nights there were four or five clients who wanted to schedule at the same time. In assessing the current situation it seems that this issue is largely a problem in SMALLER markets. Denver is a small market as is sw florida. i have made my choice to start nationwide touring after our local tourist season winds down . In my opinion it is the only way to make the big bucks these days unless one is fortunate enough to live in a market such as DC where all the guys i know are in fact doing really well because of demand.

[Michael Wayne]

freshfluff: a service, what is that? lol! My how times have changed. I remember back in the late 90s me and a buddy owned a service out of san antonio. my....my...my....those were the good ol days. pre rentboy.com!!!! pre BN! lol. Alot of the younger generation of clients and pros have no idea what it was like to actually advertise in the back of a bar rag like," This week in Texas," (the twit...as we called it). miamilooker: one question for you: arrested or convicted? big difference there. personally i put no stock in an arrest but a conviction is another matter entirely.

[JoeyBryant]

In assessing the current situation it seems that this issue is largely a problem in SMALLER markets. Denver is a small market as is sw florida. i have made my choice to start nationwide touring after our local tourist season winds down . In my opinion it is the only way to make the big bucks these days unless one is fortunate enough to live in a market such as DC where all the guys i know are in fact doing really well because of demand.

 

Well, that's the point I was making. Don't see it as competing on price. It's a difference in markets. Guys charging $250-300 in the big cities, are also (hypothetically) paying $1,000+ a month for an apartment (and that's probably just a room and a kitchen on basement level). I, on the other hand...am not paying that where I live, so it's not life and death to charge those rates (not saying it is for them either). The reason why those places are as they are, is because the clients are making more money, and the escorts have to spend more money. People in Denver aren't making DC salaries, so just because I choose to tweak rates a bit, is was never a statement about quality or competing on price. I also mentioned earlier that in SF the other week, I was able to make at or beyond my askings. Getting a price isn't really an issue out there, but of course you're going to spend more trying to get it. Especially living there. Fortunently, each time I've found ways to work around the hotels and as last time...everything I had was outcalls (Which I find so odd, but suits me fine since it's rarely more than 3 miles distance).

 

Let me get this straight, Joey...you're upset with a regular client who balked at paying extra for a sexual act that you hadn't tried before? And you pride yourself on your professionalism?

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it illegal to link specific sexual acts to fees? Aren't these the kind of shenanigans that the "amateurs" on CL are famous for? And just for clarity, you're not suggesting that by virtue of advertising on any of the "big three" that there is less inherent risk?

 

Will you refrain from meddling and trying to hypothesize stuff that you aren't even interpreting correctly? First of all, I said nothing about getting upset at a client, or anything about a sexual act. I don't have to break down or explain anything. Here's a suggestion: Get a life, mind your business and don't worry about what how I'm handling mine.

 

You can name-drop all the other escorts you choose...but guess what? I respect and have met all of them except 1 or 2. They've met me too and they don't think any less of me. I have gone to the bigger cities and commanded the higher rates just as any of the other guys have. In Philadelphia, I didn't have to ask for tips. In DC, I had 0 cancellations. It's really not too different from 1 guy to the next. Unless you're a spokesperson or agency managing the 'top tier' guys as you put it, sounds like you're overly obsessed. And I doubt any of the guys you mentioned need you to tout their name about in an unrelated thread. As good as they are, they don't need you.

 

Clearly, you can't think for yourself...and probably have nothing to offer, so you have to use a 3rd party to put me down. Very creative.

[jimboivyo]

Well, that's the point I was making. Don't see it as competing on price. It's a difference in markets. Guys charging $250-300 in the big cities, are also (hypothetically) paying $1,000+ a month for an apartment (and that's probably just a room and a kitchen on basement level). I, on the other hand...am not paying that where I live, so it's not life and death to charge those rates (not saying it is for them either). The reason why those places are as they are, is because the clients are making more money, and the escorts have to spend more money. People in Denver aren't making DC salaries, so just because I choose to tweak rates a bit, is was never a statement about quality or competing on price. I also mentioned earlier that in SF the other week, I was able to make at or beyond my askings. Getting a price isn't really an issue out there, but of course you're going to spend more trying to get it. Especially living there. Fortunently, each time I've found ways to work around the hotels and as last time...everything I had was outcalls (Which I find so odd, but suits me fine since it's rarely more than 3 miles distance).

 

 

 

Will you refrain from meddling and trying to hypothesize stuff that you aren't even interpreting correctly? First of all, I said nothing about getting upset at a client, or anything about a sexual act. I don't have to break down or explain anything. Here's a suggestion: Get a life, mind your business and don't worry about what how I'm handling mine.

 

You can name-drop all the other escorts you choose...but guess what? I respect and have met all of them except 1 or 2. They've met me too and they don't think any less of me. I have gone to the bigger cities and commanded the higher rates just as any of the other guys have. In Philadelphia, I didn't have to ask for tips. In DC, I had 0 cancellations. It's really not too different from 1 guy to the next. Unless you're a spokesperson or agency managing the 'top tier' guys as you put it, sounds like you're overly obsessed. And I doubt any of the guys you mentioned need you to tout their name about in an unrelated thread. As good as they are, they don't need you.

 

Clearly, you can't think for yourself...and probably have nothing to offer, so you have to use a 3rd party to put me down. Very creative.

 

 

I reckon you were offered help by many guys in your early days but you thought you knew everything already. I was told you were rude and acted as if you were somehow above taking helpful criticism

 

now, you complain about money or lack thereof, cancellations and what not. maybe it's time for you to consider what others told you in the past, or hang up the escort boots for good and find another career

[bomerrang]

"And James, after you retrieve the Rolex from secure storage, fetch the limo. Benji is coming in Commercial for an extended overnight."

 

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/03/23/automobiles/LIMO/LIMO-master675.jpg

[jimboivyo]

"And James, after you retrieve the Rolex from secure storage, fetch the limo. Benji is coming in Commercial for an extended overnight."

 

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/03/23/automobiles/LIMO/LIMO-master675.jpg

 

Ah, now your true colors are coming through

 

couldn't stay away, could you? as obsessed as ever darling