Pink dildos and butt plugs, need clients feedback

[Griffin Donavon]

Now that I got your attention, I need some feedback..

 

After a extensive tour around America, I have decided too settle down semi-close too Boston,Ma.. I am about a hour and a half away. I've decided that I will advertise for 2 hour minimum appointments.. As this is fair as its 3 hours in total of travel.. (1 hour would not be worth it)However I have something that's been on my mind for awhile, is it really wrong for a well reviewed escort who has traveled fairly far for a appointment to have the money upfront or at the very least see that it's there..

 

I say this, because I feel if I did get ripped off.. After 3 hours total there and back traveling and another two hours with them, that the words "I don't have the money" I wouldn't be able to handle it. What's a good way as you guy's being a client, wouldn't take it as offensive but in better words understanding why I'd be doing it.. I know most clients see this as a red flag..

 

This is a huge issue for me, seeing this punk 28 year old ripping off some high end escorts and me being ripped off more then once. I don't want to be exploited to this extent, this is 5 hours.. My overnights I always require 50% upfront. Any suggestions and what to say too potential clients?

 

Your's truly,

Griffin

[corndog]

I'm thinking, with all due respect, that your big mistake is choosing to settle down 1.5 hours away from Boston.

 

I respect that you've got three hours of travel time, but, as a client, that isn't my problem. You've made that choice, and if I'm looking for a one hour appointment, I'll choose someone who is available for one hour. Some potential clients will find you so irresistible that they'll agree to two hours, but others will choose someone else.

 

As far as getting money up-front, the basic reality of the business you've chosen is that there is some risk. There is risk for the escort and risk for the client. For better or worse, you're not in a position to shift all that risk to the client. Savvy clients will not pay upfront.

 

So, the question isn't really about what is fair and what isn't fair. The question is, can you get enough business if you require 2-hour minimum appointments and a deposit up front? I think you're a good guy, and I think you deserve to have these requirements. But, I think you'll make more money if you don't.

 

You're going to get stood up sometimes, and you're going to get ripped off sometimes. Sorry about that.

[Kevin Slater]

I'm thinking, with all due respect, that your big mistake is choosing to settle down 1.5 hours away from Boston.

 

I respect that you've got three hours of travel time, but, as a client, that isn't my problem. You've made that choice, and if I'm looking for a one hour appointment, I'll choose someone who is available for one hour. Some potential clients will find you so irresistible that they'll agree to two hours, but others will choose someone else.

 

As far as getting money up-front, the basic reality of the business you've chosen is that there is some risk. There is risk for the escort and risk for the client. For better or worse, you're not in a position to shift all that risk to the client. Savvy clients will not pay upfront.

 

So, the question isn't really about what is fair and what isn't fair. The question is, can you get enough business if you require 2-hour minimum appointments and a deposit up front? I think you're a good guy, and I think you deserve to have these requirements. But, I think you'll make more money if you don't.

 

You're going to get stood up sometimes, and you're going to get ripped off sometimes. Sorry about that.

 

We'll worded, thoughtful post.

 

Kevin Slater

[+ purplekow]

In you first contact with the client, include a paragraph such as the one you have written for this post. Explain that you require the money be present at the time you arrive though you will not assume possession of the money until after the visit. If you arrive at the clients and the circumstances are not met, you may find yourself making a u turn and heading back home. Most clients will understand why you are asking to see the money upfront and those who would take offense are probably ones with whom you would rather not deal

 

For me, I am just glad the escort arrives on time or at all. Lately even the very well reviewed ones I have tried to hire have either been very late, hours late, or did not show up at all.

[down_to_business]

I'm thinking, with all due respect, that your big mistake is choosing to settle down 1.5 hours away from Boston.

 

I respect that you've got three hours of travel time, but, as a client, that isn't my problem. You've made that choice, and if I'm looking for a one hour appointment, I'll choose someone who is available for one hour. Some potential clients will find you so irresistible that they'll agree to two hours, but others will choose someone else.

 

As far as getting money up-front, the basic reality of the business you've chosen is that there is some risk. There is risk for the escort and risk for the client. For better or worse, you're not in a position to shift all that risk to the client. Savvy clients will not pay upfront.

 

So, the question isn't really about what is fair and what isn't fair. The question is, can you get enough business if you require 2-hour minimum appointments and a deposit up front? I think you're a good guy, and I think you deserve to have these requirements. But, I think you'll make more money if you don't.

 

You're going to get stood up sometimes, and you're going to get ripped off sometimes. Sorry about that.

 

We'll worded, thoughtful post.

 

Kevin Slater

 

+1

 

You nailed it!

[bigvalboy]

I'm thinking, with all due respect, that your big mistake is choosing to settle down 1.5 hours away from Boston.

 

I respect that you've got three hours of travel time, but, as a client, that isn't my problem. You've made that choice, and if I'm looking for a one hour appointment, I'll choose someone who is available for one hour. Some potential clients will find you so irresistible that they'll agree to two hours, but others will choose someone else.

 

As far as getting money up-front, the basic reality of the business you've chosen is that there is some risk. There is risk for the escort and risk for the client. For better or worse, you're not in a position to shift all that risk to the client. Savvy clients will not pay upfront.

 

So, the question isn't really about what is fair and what isn't fair. The question is, can you get enough business if you require 2-hour minimum appointments and a deposit up front? I think you're a good guy, and I think you deserve to have these requirements. But, I think you'll make more money if you don't.

 

You're going to get stood up sometimes, and you're going to get ripped off sometimes. Sorry about that.

 

+2 Perfect analysis....

[whipped guy]

Location, location, location... as the saying goes!!!

 

What corndog said... And my first reaction was why so far away from where the clients woukd be??? Of course, you probably found a very nice New England area that appealed to you... However, you need to make business decisions that are rational for the type of business that you are in. I would only make the move to that area 1.5 hours away from Boston if there would be enough work not only from Boston, but the immediate surrounding area as well. There is an extremely famous escort who operates in the New England area... no prize for figuring out who it is... and he travels extensively to clients in the area, including Boston. He also travels to other areas of the country, but has other business interests in the area as well. As a result, I would assume thst his business model is working for him. What you need to do is sit down and analyze the situation from a business standpoint and in a sensible manner.

 

Therefore, if this is going to be your business you need to choose a business model that will work as smoothly and efficiently as possible. Perhaps, it might be advantageous to consider working closer to the action...and still be somewhat near the area that you really desire. Not to sound flippant, but if you want to live on a farm and raise chickens... and that's what you really want to do... and you can supplement your escorting income selling eggs, then go for it. Otherwise I would build my escorting business closer to the action, save for the future, and only then make that move 1.5 hours away from the big city... Just my sincere point of view. Why would you want to take unnecessary risks that would only complicate matters and reduce your profits!!!???

[Guest Starbuck]

As a New Englander, I couldn't help contemplating places about an hour and a half out of Boston -- the Cape, the New Hampshire seacoast -- and understanding their appeal. But, starting with corndog's very thorough response, you get the idea of what you'd be facing. Many of us live where we live for business/employment reasons during our working lives and only get to live where we want to live in retirement. There's a choice here, but it's often driven by financial needs/goals.

 

On another front, the indisputable fact of the matter is that having more "rules and regulations" than other guys is not going to help your business. I respect the right of any seller in any business to set the terms of sale and to stick to them, but he has to be damn sure he can play that hardball game before he announces those rules or he quickly slips into a posture of compromise and negotiation just to be covering his bottom line. It can be a tough position from which to recover.

 

I get the sense that many (if not most) of the clients here are (or have been) businessmen and that nothing you've expressed in terms of either aspiration or frustration comes as any surprise. Almost ALL OF THEM have been burned by clients too--almost ALL--because, generally speaking, a lot of time and service (and very often the product as well) are provided in advance of payment. There's a risk in that. And there are unethical people who will exploit the risk. But very often the LARGER risk is that more revenue will be lost by changing a traditional business model.

 

Not saying it's impossible for you, and I understand that you are coming from a place of being liked and well-regarded, but I think you'd be hurting yourself with the changes you are contemplating.

[Griffin Donavon]

Wow, thank you for all the really thoughtful replies back. I do understand your taking time out of your Friday to write this. Let me tell you guys some of the story..

 

The far travel from Boston is due to personal things, I run a non-profit foster home for dogs with a friend whom is really sick. My intentions is to be back in Boston so I can accommodate in calls, I'm just needed in my home-town at the moment for the statement I made above and other things that are private.

 

My goal is too be in Boston in the copley area, as for now I need to make adjustments. I really appreciate all the feedback, you guys are great. I'm going to soak all this in before making a decision, on the business aspect.. I do have a website and new pictures taking from a professional photographer coming very soon that you all will like..

 

Thank you so much for being so kind!

Griffin

[bigvalboy]

Wow, thank you for all the really thoughtful replies back. I do understand your taking time out of your Friday to write this. Let me tell you guys some of the story..

 

The far travel from Boston is due to personal things, I run a non-profit foster home for dogs with a friend whom is really sick. My intentions is to be back in Boston so I can accommodate in calls, I'm just needed in my home-town at the moment for the statement I made above and other things that are private.

 

My goal is too be in Boston in the copley area, as for now I need to make adjustments. I really appreciate all the feedback, you guys are great. I'm going to soak all this in before making a decision, on the business aspect.. I do have a website and new pictures taking from a professional photographer coming very soon that you all will like..

 

Thank you so much for being so kind!

Griffin

 

Well Griffin that certainly changes the equation. "Yes you do need to soak all of this in." Lots to think about. Good luck in sorting out all the logistics. A non-profit foster home for dogs, is a most admirable endeavor, and many here will understand your commitment.

 

It might be just me, but as a client, if I knew an escort was at a distance that was not particulary convenient for me, but the reason was his commitment to a foster home for dogs, personally I wouldn't hesitate to travel to him or do the minimum 2 hour that he required. Not everyone will understand, but I think if clients knew, perhaps they would be more inclined to accommodate the situation a little more. In the end however, only you will know what will work best for you.

[Guest countryboywny]

Good on you, Griffin! From a purely business perspective, you got some excellent advice. But sometimes we fail to consider that there are other things in your life that are just as/more important. That you would give your time and care to our furry friends that need help speaks volumes about who you are. More so than how hot your body is or other "surface" considerations. How about some place in between Boston and the dogs? Very best to you!

[Guest Starbuck]

So, Griffin, your challenge is one of prioritizing, and with the additional information from you, it's clear that ONLY YOU can set those priorities and all that the rest of us can do is offer business (and/or dog-loving) perspective.

 

I caught your reference to other personal reasons (beyond the pups), so I understand that you've got a complex challenge in front of you. If it was only a matter of the dogs, I would ask if maximizing your income potential might allow you and your friend to hire an employee that you paid for. In other words, rather than taking the risk of losing too much income, you might still come out ahead in terms of money-in-the-bank if you stayed in Boston and, out of your earnings, paid an employee's salary. But, again ... I heard the reference to other factors.

 

I would just STRONGLY ADVISE YOU not to wade too deep into thinking that the appealing nature of your non-profit venture will persuade many customers to inconvenience themselves, pay more or pay up front. Years of business experience provided me with ample evidence that neither mortgages nor school tuitions nor cancer-stricken wives (and, so, not even puppies) will keep businessmen from making really hardcore, life-impacting decisions about the fate of others. The sentiment that my friend BVB expressed is a nice one, but don't try taking it to the bank.

 

Whatever you decide, whatever is right for you, please go into it with your EYES WIDE OPEN--and that means, with a clear sense of a worst-case scenario.

[gallahadesquire]

For those of us who also live in the Sticks of Massachusetts, perhaps you could give a mild indication of where you are living? I tend to hire for no less than two hours anyway, but if you're only a half-hour away, that would make me feel more likely to hire.

[whipped guy]

I get the sense that many (if not most) of the clients here are (or have been) businessmen and that nothing you've expressed in terms of either aspiration or frustration comes as any surprise. Almost ALL OF THEM have been burned by clients too-- And there are unethical people who will exploit the risk.

Oh, so true!!! If many of us here were able to collect all the hard earned cash that was rightfully earned over the years, but never received, many would be able to hire Griffin... or any other favorite escort... as our own personal escort and probably for life... That would certainly solve Griffin's dilemma... but unfortunately we all live in that same imperfect world!

 

But very often the LARGER risk is that more revenue will be lost by changing a traditional business model.

EXACTLY!

 

So, Griffin, your challenge is one of prioritizing, and with the additional information from you, it's clear that ONLY YOU can set those priorities and all that the rest of us can do is offer business (and/or dog-loving) perspective.

 

I would just STRONGLY ADVISE YOU not to wade too deep into thinking that the appealing nature of your non-profit venture will persuade many customers to inconvenience themselves, pay more or pay up front.

 

Whatever you decide, whatever is right for you, please go into it with your EYES WIDE OPEN--and that means, with a clear sense of a worst-case scenario.

Starbuck is spot on!!! Life is a series of choices... we are condemned to choose... some of us make better choices than others... so THINK RATIONALLY prior to choosing!

[bigvalboy]

I would just STRONGLY ADVISE YOU not to wade too deep into thinking that the appealing nature of your non-profit venture will persuade many customers to inconvenience themselves, pay more or pay up front. Years of business experience provided me with ample evidence that neither mortgages nor school tuitions nor cancer-stricken wives (and, so, not even puppies) will keep businessmen from making really hardcore, life-impacting decisions about the fate of others. The sentiment that my friend BVB expressed is a nice one, but don't try taking it to the bank.

 

Griffin this is sound advice. While my heart will always be toward someone who has the fortitude to establish a foster home for dogs, and I would personally be more accommodating to someone in your position, others might not be. In the end I must say that Starbuck is spot on. It is what the majority of your clients will want/expect from you. Think carefully about your plans and develop a sound business plan. Best of luck going forward.

[+ purplekow]

Since i have been the only one to state that it probably is not a big deal, let me reinterate. Let people know up front. Some will hire some will not but as a popular and professional escort, if you do all the other things well, you will develop a clientele which will be regulars and your fear of being stood up will be reduced. As far as that other escort in New England, if you show up without drama, you will be ahead in the game.

[Decatur Guy]

Sometimes this board exasperates me to no end. Then I read a TERRIFIC thread like this and I am sold all over again.

 

Good luck to you, Griffin. I think there are a lot of sound points all around. Let us know how this all works out.

[whipped guy]

Regardung PK's contribuiton to this thread, I am not going to specifically reference any particular portion of his statements. However, I did laugh out loud at one particular thought of his!!! Of course PK is indeed renownd for making that happen quite a bit here!!!

[bigvalboy]

Soooo no one is going to talk about "pink dildos and butt plugs?" I will admit that initially, it did get me to peek....

[whipped guy]

Soooo no one is going to talk about "pink dildos and butt plugs?" I will admit that initially, it did get me to peek....

As did I... which tells me that Griffin does have some good business sense in the "attention grabbing" department!!! That alone reassures me that he will ultimately make the best decision to balance his needs.

 

Actually, I was hoping that the thread was going to include "pink floggers" as well... and don't laugh I was just at a website where that was one of the choices!!!!... actually TWO of the choices... "pink" and "dark pink with a slight shine"!!!

 

Don't worry, I'm ordering mine in basic black... the bullhide verson... very tough... high intensity... nothing sissy...

[bigvalboy]

As did I... which tells me that Griffin does have some good business sense in the "attention grabbing" department!!! That alone reassures me that he will ultimately make the best decision to balance his needs.

 

Actually, I was hoping that the thread was going to include "pink floggers" as well... and don't laugh I was just at a website where that was one of the choices!!!!... actually TWO of the choices... "pink" and "dark pink with a slight shine"!!!

 

Don't worry, I'm ordering mine in basic black... the bullhide verson... very tough... high intensity... nothing sissy...

 

funny stuff...and I too think that Griffin is/will be a savvy business man.

[gallahadesquire]

As did I... which tells me that Griffin does have some good business sense in the "attention grabbing" department!!! That alone reassures me that he will ultimately make the best decision to balance his needs.

 

Actually, I was hoping that the thread was going to include "pink floggers" as well... and don't laugh I was just at a website where that was one of the choices!!!!... actually TWO of the choices... "pink" and "dark pink with a slight shine"!!!

 

Don't worry, I'm ordering mine in basic black... the bullhide verson... very tough... high intensity... nothing sissy...

 

Is that with the choker or opera-length pearls?

[corndog]

Explain that you require the money be present at the time you arrive though you will not assume possession of the money until after the visit.

 

With all due respect to PK, I disagree that this is a good solution. When escorts ask that the money be out and visible upon arrival, I consider this just the same as them requiring payment up front. If the guy is there to rip me off, he's going to grab the money and go, so I may as well pay when he arrives. Paying an escort upfront leaves the client absolutely no recourse if the escort is a fraud.

 

I would consider an upfront payment policy from an extremely well reviewed and/or well known escort (like Griffin), but generally speaking, payment upfront is a deal-breaker.