104 Guys Busted in Long Island New York Prostitution Sting

[sdvjm]

Did you guys hear about this? Apparently they busted 104 guys in Long Island that responded to ads placed on Backpage.com. Here's a link to the article: http://www.myfoxny.com/story/22490107/nassau-da-identifies-alleged-prostitution-customers. Thoughts? Reactions?

[bigvalboy]

The issue as I see it is the process by which these men were handled. I agree with the attorney representing those that were arrested...I think that he makes a good case when he says, "We have a system of justice that presumes innocence, and waits till after a conviction before punishing people"...."To humiliate or punish people before they have their chance to be heard in court is to undo the very essence of our criminal justice system."

[sdvjm]

Here is a link to the Daily News article: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/104-johns-nabbed-nassau-county-pay-sex-article-1.1361717. There is a screen shot with the ads placed, two of the ads were posing as male escorts.

[ross06]

I guess that is why it's best to stick with guys who have been reviewed before from rentboy or m4rn.

[Frequentflier]

The issue as I see it is the process by which these men were handled. I agree with the attorney representing those that were arrested...I think that he makes a good case when he says, "We have a system of justice that presumes innocence, and waits till after a conviction before punishing people"...."To humiliate or punish people before they have their chance to be heard in court is to undo the very essence of our criminal justice system."

 

But people in the United States don't really believe in someone being "innocent until proven guilty". The government loves the "perp walk" and most could care less about what that or doing what has been outlined in the articles does to someone's life, even if later proven innocent. When arrested its front page news, when proven innocent maybe last page in a lower corner. Remember Dominique Strauss Kahn against whom NYC eventually dropped the charges? He may or may not be a creep but the way NYC handled his arrest, with help from the press, his political career went down in flames and it cost his wife millions. Locally, we had a high school teacher & coach accused of inappropriate behavior with some high school girls. He was suspended without pay, he and his family harassed in public, nearly went bankrupt with legal fees and then charges were dropped when the girls admitted they lied. No punishment for the girls at all and the teacher left teaching because of the experience. Nobody reimburses the legal fees and if you search his name most of the responses are his arrest, not that charges were dropped. Maybe all newspaper editors and police chiefs should go through the experience of being arrested and being front page news.

[Epigonos]

I find it fascinating that police departments and district attorney offices ALL over this country are constantly complaining about being understaffed and underfunded and thus are unable to fight and to prosecute major crimes YET they are willing and able to squander/waste millions of police and prosecutor dollars and hours on bullshit like this.

[bigvalboy]

But people in the United States don't really believe in someone being "innocent until pr oven guilty". The government loves the "perp walk" and most could care less about what that or doing what has been outlined in the articles does to someone's life, even if later proven innocent. When arrested its front page news, when proven innocent maybe last page in a lower corner. Remember Dominique Strauss Kahn against whom NYC eventually dropped the charges? He may or may not be a creep but the way NYC handled his arrest, with help from the press, his political career went down in flames and it cost his wife millions. Locally, we had a high school teacher & coach accused of inappropriate behavior with some high school girls. He was suspended without pay, he and his family harassed in public, nearly went bankrupt with legal fees and then charges were dropped when the girls admitted they lied. No punishment for the girls at all and the teacher left teaching because of the experience. Nobody reimburses the legal fees and if you search his name most of the responses are his arrest, not that charges were dropped. Maybe all newspaper editors and police chiefs should go through the experience of being arrested and being front page news.

 

You are absolutely correct. At the risk of opening old wounds, when reading your post I was reminded of Trayvon Martin. I like many here, within the first 48 hours, made the assumption that Zimmerman was automatically guilty. He was guilty in the 'court of public opinion' long before all the facts came forward.

 

I was asked by a forum member to withhold my opinion, at least until more information had come forth. The danger he sited was in presumed guilt. We now find out, that at the very least, there is far more to this case than anyone could have imagined. I am as guilty as the media or anyone in jumping to conclusions. People seeing the faces of these men in the media will assume they are guilty, and will never know if any of them are found innocent.

 

I don't remember who the member was who said that to me, but I always wanted to just say to them how right they were.

[JoeyBryant]

Each rendezvous was captured on hidden cameras, sealed when johns agreed to pay between $50 and $100 for sex acts.

 

Here we go again....

[+ deej]

I find it fascinating that police departments and district attorney offices ALL over this country are constantly complaining about being understaffed and underfunded and thus are unable to fight and to prosecute major crimes YET they are willing and able to squander/waste millions of police and prosecutor dollars and hours on bullshit like this.

 

It happens every time one of them is up for reelection. A prostitution bust (or multiples of them) is guaranteed press (which is another conversation entirely).

[BaronArtz]

Jeez. I had no idea this was going on. Thanks for posting this information. Shows you how careful you need to be. Imagine being 'in the closet', married, well known in your community and THIS happens to you. It's just awful. Is it even legal to entice people like that?

[MscleLovr]

I agree with a lot of what's been said, but I have one question. Perhaps posters who are more knowledgeable about the US legal system can comment, but would the men have protected themselves legally if they had first asked "Are you a police officer"?

[+ azdr0710]

would the men have protected themselves legally if they had first asked "Are you a police officer"?

 

the conventional wisdom is that asking that question does not protect you at all....

 

if one of us must meet with an unknown guy, the most important rule is DO NOT equate money with sex acts....agree on a price beforehand ("for time only") and request that money not be discussed at all at the meeting and, if a client, tell the escort that payment will be at the end of the meet....do not answer if the escort or client wants to re-confirm or discuss the terms again at the meet....most of us know all these guidelines, but want to make sure all here know them.....always best to stay with well-reviewed guys here at Daddy's, but I know there are others out there with alluring ads....

[Frequentflier]

I find it fascinating that police departments and district attorney offices ALL over this country are constantly complaining about being understaffed and underfunded and thus are unable to fight and to prosecute major crimes YET they are willing and able to squander/waste millions of police and prosecutor dollars and hours on bullshit like this.

 

Great point about the whining versus how they choose to spend their oh too limited tax dollars.

 

My personal opinion is that unless clients meeting escorts is happening on a street corner, we shouldn't care that two adults meet up on line and then in person even if one is getting paid for their time/companionship. Now if the escorts are particularly handsome eye candy and want to stand on the street....wait...I just caught myself....I probably shouldn't disagree with what I just said...my mind wandered...no...we shouldn't let them do that Maybe in a specific area of that city that's ok? NO!! Yikes, I better stop typing...

[+ Chris Eisenhower]

I agree with a lot of what's been said, but I have one question. Perhaps posters who are more knowledgeable about the US legal system can comment, but would the men have protected themselves legally if they had first asked "Are you a police officer"?

 

No. Police are not required to reveal their status, especially when undercover.

[Michael Wayne]

sickening. The whole thing is just sickening. I have cautioned this forum before about craigslist and backpage as well as adam 4 adam. Deals are a plenty......BUT.....At what cost and at what price? I have rarely if EVER heard of a rentboy, m4rn or rentmen sting bust. I have dropped all my ads from bp and cl. a for a is basically a site for illegal drug use which is not my thing. So they will be setting up stings on GRINDR. While I can always find n=ice new clients on these sites lately I feel as if i shall just concentrate on the big three plus hourboy.com instead of risking all kinds of problems. http://www.rentmen.com/mikeyusatop

[Diverdan]

The DA in this case only cares about publicity and getting re-elected... it is not about guilt or innocence... just publicity. I do believe that they have a case against the DA for the methods used in this situation, but even if the court throws out the cases, the damage has been done. Tragic waste of tax payer dollars, IMHO.

[cany10011]

I don't think i could ever be interested in being propositioned in meeting a hooker for 50 to 100$.... if it's too low i don't even bother.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

Each rendezvous was captured on hidden cameras, sealed when johns agreed to pay between $50 and $100 for sex acts.

 

Here we go again....

[Irtwo]

Sdvjm, thanks for the link with the actual ads. One of the male ads is still up.

 

http://longisland.backpage.com/MaleEscorts/cute-sexy-and-smooth-white-guy-next-door-gino-33/39805339

 

Interesting racial aspect to this as well. The majority of NY Backpag ads for male escorts are Black, yet the 2 ads the police ran were for White guys, one even makes a point of it in the title. Not sure what to make of that.

 

Looks like both ads are still up:

 

http://longisland.backpage.com/MaleEscorts/looking-for-a-light-day-or-evening-snack-27/39731846

[JoeyBryant]

Sdvjm, thanks for the link with the actual ads. One of the male ads is still up.

 

Wow, good research, Are people still responding? For any clients who think this could happen to 'anyone', note some of the things in these ads:

 

1. $80/hr
   
2. sexual fun
   
3. secret wild side.
   
4. the way the phone number is spelled instead of written out (although it could be use to also not be detectable under google, but most posters on BP don't realize that): The Hundred Code[1] is a three digit police code system. This code is usually pronounced digit-by-digit, using a radio alphabet for any letters, as 505 "five zero five" or 207A "two zero seven Adam". source -wiki
   
5. *Incalls Only, but may be able to travel to you, but prefer Incalls at my room. (what the fuck?)
   
6. the cutesy heart symbols being used in the ads.
   

 

See the bullshit? Does any of this make any sense? This ad is riddled with incongruities. Also, why would someone say 420 friendly? An escort that is...? That leaves the escort wide-open (unless he lives in Colorado lol) for an easy drug bust if for nothing else.

 

Also the guy who is advertising $80 looks pretty hot. Now think about, wouldn't you be suspicious if you seen a similar quality Mercedes selling for $1,800 cash? It'll probably be a sting to get you to purchase a stolen vehicle

[Frequentflier]

Sdvjm, thanks for the link with the actual ads. One of the male ads is still up.

 

http://longisland.backpage.com/MaleEscorts/cute-sexy-and-smooth-white-guy-next-door-gino-33/39805339

 

Interesting racial aspect to this as well. The majority of NY Backpag ads for male escorts are Black, yet the 2 ads the police ran were for White guys, one even makes a point of it in the title. Not sure what to make of that.

 

Looks like both ads are still up:

 

http://longisland.backpage.com/MaleEscorts/looking-for-a-light-day-or-evening-snack-27/39731846

 

Whats next, you pick up a $20 bill they left on the ground (nobody is anywhere in site) and they arrest you for stealing because the $20 belonged to somebody at some point? I remember seeing the District Attorney, before 420 became partially legalized in Colorado, on 60 minutes. He said that before the current laws were passed that his office stopped prosecuting people who had small quantities because 1) juries wouldn't convict them and 2) his constituents made it clear that they didn't want him spending money on what they felt were acts that shouldn't be criminal. So, unless/until people in the Long Island area say otherwise the police and DA aren't likely to pull the sticks out of their asses on these activities.

[Frequentflier]

I read "Zimmerman" above and think I'd due an "attaboy" for not commenting about him.....

[SFSteve]

Sdvjm, thanks for the link with the actual ads. One of the male ads is still up.

 

http://longisland.backpage.com/MaleEscorts/cute-sexy-and-smooth-white-guy-next-door-gino-33/39805339

 

Interesting racial aspect to this as well. The majority of NY Backpag ads for male escorts are Black, yet the 2 ads the police ran were for White guys, one even makes a point of it in the title. Not sure what to make of that.

 

Looks like both ads are still up:

 

http://longisland.backpage.com/MaleEscorts/looking-for-a-light-day-or-evening-snack-27/39731846

 

 

Those pictures are cropped versions of the ones in this ad on BP in San Francisco from last Friday:

 

http://sfbay.backpage.com/MaleEscorts/male-star-here-for-your-pleasure-27/13496081

 

The Garden City ones are a week earlier, but I've seen his ad before. I assume they jut lifted them from BP.

[Steven_Draker]

Why would you take the risk and approach some random guy on Backpage.com or the erotic section of Craigslist (now defunct) and proposition money in exchange for sex?

[mmk123]

well, when people are horny and think they can get something nice looking relatively cheap they think with their cock and not their head

[Guest boiworship08]

Very good points, Joey.