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This is a question for both escorts and clients, but I'm posting it here because of the large number of escorts who identify themselves as bisexual. I'm bisexual and have known that I'm attracted to both men and women since 7th grade, which is when I first started noticing an attraction to other guys. I'm not always (or necessarily ever) equally attracted to both sexes. Instead, my bisexuality goes through phases or cycles where I'm mostly attracted to one sex for a little while, and then for no reason that I can identify, it starts to shift to the other gender.

 

For the last several months, I've been primarily attracted to women (which is part of the reason why I haven't been as involved in this forum). However, my feelings have started to shift toward men again now. Sometimes the shift is gradual, but usually it is quite abrupt. A week ago, I only felt like watching straight porn (I've never been into lesbian porn; watching two women demonstrate their ability to sexually satisfy themselves without the need of a man has never particularly turned me on). I also couldn't take my eyes off women while working out at the gym. Then a few days ago, my attention started shifting from girls to guys at the gym, and I got the urge to start watching gay porn again. Now I don't feel like watching straight porn, gawking at women, or having sex with my wife (the last being the real cause for angst).

 

My question is, do other bisexual guys have the same issue? Do you find yourself attracted to both men and women all of the time? Does your level of attraction to each gender remain constant, or does it go through cycles? If it goes through cycles, do you shift abruptly or gradually? Just wondering if any other guys have the same issue and, if so, how you deal with it.

 

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Tom

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This is a question for both escorts and clients, but I'm posting it here because of the large number of escorts who identify themselves as bisexual. I'm bisexual and have known that I'm attracted to both men and women since 7th grade, which is when I first started noticing an attraction to other guys. I'm not always (or necessarily ever) equally attracted to both sexes. Instead, my bisexuality goes through phases or cycles where I'm mostly attracted to one sex for a little while, and then for no reason that I can identify, it starts to shift to the other gender.

 

For the last several months, I've been primarily attracted to women (which is part of the reason why I haven't been as involved in this forum). However, my feelings have started to shift toward men again now. Sometimes the shift is gradual, but usually it is quite abrupt. A week ago, I only felt like watching straight porn (I've never been into lesbian porn; watching two women demonstrate their ability to sexually satisfy themselves without the need of a man has never particularly turned me on). I also couldn't take my eyes off women while working out at the gym. Then a few days ago, my attention started shifting from girls to guys at the gym, and I got the urge to start watching gay porn again. Now I don't feel like watching straight porn, gawking at women, or having sex with my wife (the last being the real cause for angst).

 

My question is, do other bisexual guys have the same issue? Do you find yourself attracted to both men and women all of the time? Does your level of attraction to each gender remain constant, or does it go through cycles? If it goes through cycles, do you shift abruptly or gradually? Just wondering if any other guys have the same issue and, if so, how you deal with it.

 

Thanks,

 

Tom

 

 

I am not bisexual so I do not have any first hand experience. I do however have several close friends that describe themselves as bisexual. Out of curiosity, I have had numerous and lengthy conversations with them in regards to their sexuality.

 

What I have learned is that two of them tell me that they are equally attracted to both men and women all the time. It depends on the situation and circumstances as to how they feel sexually toward another gay or straight person at any given moment. I have been out at gay bars with them, and they have seen a straight women and have gone home with them. We were on vacation once and the reverse happened. It is a concept of reality that as a 100% gay man I just can't quite understand. Both have been in significant relationships with both sexes.

 

My other friend, who was married and has children, has told me that much like yourself, his desire for the opposite sex runs in cycles. He will go for long periods of time attracted only to one sex, and then for reasons that he can't explain, abruptly change.

 

I remember one time we were living together as room mates. We were hiring escorts and generally having a scandalous time together. One day he got a letter from his ex-wife who announced she was coming from overseas for the summer and was going to stay with us. When she arrived, she was stunning, and very sexual. He was like a kid in high school, falling in love for the first time. I was amazed at how he was so attracted to her, and was able to shift his sexual desire the way that he did. In conversations with her, she told me that he had always been bisexual and able to shift back and forth. The marriage had not worked, she said, because she was unable to share him with other men. She said that had he cheated on her with a women, then she could have combated that, but when he would become attracted to other men, she just did not know how to deal with that situation, but it was clear that they both stilled loved each other. Sadly his children were less understanding and they had become estranged.

 

So I don't think that there are any easy answers, or norms if you will. We are all sexual beings, and the degree to which we are attracted to the opposite sex, I would surmise, are just numbers on a scale...

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I am attracted too both in different ways, I love fucking a women because they are submissive creatures.. I love the fact it's not all based on looks in seducing a women, it's based on masculine behavior.. I love getting fucked by men because I am giving that masculine power away too them and men are more attracted too physical appearance.. When clients ask me it's hard to explain, I have found myself equally attracted, or lean towards one or the other depending on my mood..

 

A lot of my gay and straight girl friends have a difficult time understanding, but I guess this is my best explanation.

 

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I am attracted too both in different ways, I love fucking a women because they are submissive creatures.. I love the fact it's not all based on looks in seducing a women, it's based on masculine behavior.. I love getting fucked by men because I am giving that masculine power away too them and men are more attracted too physical appearance.. When clients ask me it's hard to explain, I have found myself equally attracted, or lean to wards one or the other depending on my mood..

 

A lot of my gay and straight girl friends have a difficult time understanding, but I guess this is my best explanation.

 

Griffin

 

I think much of what you have said is also shared by my friends. I to have a difficult time understanding my bisexual friends, and in all fairness, they have a difficult time explaining to me the emotions that they feel. I am embarrassed to say this, but for a long time I did not believe in bisexuality. I really thought that any man who claimed to be bisexual and was sleeping with men, was really gay and in denial about it. From talking with friends, I realize that bisexuality is a complex and fascinating emotion, and most likely impossible to define.

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good query, Tom1980.

 

I have found that sexuality is cyclical overall. we all go in cycles in terms of what we like, and its not just with orientation.

 

as an example, think of how you masturbated ten years ago. if you were masturbating ten years before that, think of how you did it then. my point is that we change some of the things we do or the things we are sexually excited about, over time. if you watch porn, think of how the porn content or activity that gets you off has changed over time. if toys are you thing, consider how you've changed with your interest in toys over the years. maybe a favorite toy from 5 years ago just doesnt have the same appeal now... and yet, maybe you've come back to another toy over time. this exercise is particularly effective if you have a bulk of years behind you; for example if you're old enough to reflect on some aspect of your sexuality when you were a teenager, and then going on from there. sexual interests are fluid. for a bisexual who is "healthy" in their bisexuality, I think it is easier to accept the fact that they are bisexual (to themselves) and then perhaps on a subconscious level, recognize that they have choices.

 

I'm being super careful about discussing sexual orientation and choices, because many gays and lesbians have stated that their same sex interest is absolutely not a choice. I myself see two sides of the coin with gays and lesbians. I have seen many gay, lesbian, and straight people have activity outside of their orientation label. but that is an entirely different subject. my point here is that healthy bisexuals, along with people who describe themselves as heteroflexible or homoflexible, have already acknowledged the fact - to themselves - that they have a choice.)

 

for an academic approach to this, you may want to read Fritz Klein's The Bisexual Option: http://www.bisexual.org/thebisexualoption.html

for a novel whose protagonist is a male bisexual (somewhat rare), you might want to read John Irving's latest book, In One Person: http://john-irving.com/in-one-person-by-john-irving/

 

hope this helps!

keep thinking about your sexuality, it'll keep you from going blind!

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I am totally gay, but I do participate in "swinger" activity from time to time. I see some men float between sexual contact with men and women in a single session with relative ease. At least in the case of these men, they seem not to have gay or str8 phases......rather they live a permanent bi-sexual phase (or at least it appears so).

 

My impression is that it is easier for women to be bisexual than men. One recent study indicated almost twice as many women indentified themselves as bi-sexual as men did. This did not surprise me at all.

 

I think bi-sexuality probably can be sub-divided into 4-5 sub categories:

 

- Basically str8 but able to play with same sex under limited circumstances.

- Basically gay but able to play with opposite sex under limited circumstances.

- Transitioning from identifying as str8 to identifying as gay. "Bi-sexual" is a more comfortable label.

- Fully bisexual either continually or in phases (as the OP suggests).

 

I'm sure there are other subsets as well.

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Tom, I totally get where you are coming from. I am exactly in the same situation that you are. I go through cycles where I totally lean one way and then snap and go right into the other. I find that my friends, straight and gay, just don't get it and are very close minded. I just feel like we are all sexual beings and like what we like and there is no reason for some of the harsh judgements that get thrown at us.

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I think much of what you have said is also shared by my friends. I to have a difficult time understanding my bisexual friends, and in all fairness, they have a difficult time explaining to me the emotions that they feel. I am embarrassed to say this, but for a long time I did not believe in bisexuality. I really thought that any man who claimed to be bisexual and was sleeping with men, was really gay and in denial about it. From talking with friends, I realize that bisexuality is a complex and fascinating emotion, and most likely impossible to define.

 

This is what the 'common knowledge' was. I think most scientists believed this. I'm still not sure it's totally wrong. I could certainly see someone just admitting to himself/herself that they have 'homosexual' feelings. If you can't handle it- I'm thinking that thinking you are bisexual might be a way to ease the discomfort initially.

 

As for escorts- in many cases I think it's a way for straight guys to make money off of us. I'm not sure why that should be any different than a gay escort making money off of us. But emotionally to me, for some reason, it does. Of course the majority of these 'in reality straight escorts' are tops only , so I never meet them anyway.

 

 

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I just don't think everyone is 100 percent anything. I'm not 100 percent gay. I've slept with women and enjoyed it. It's not my default but it's there. None of my friends are strictly gay or straight. They've all tried the other side, some enjoying it more than others, but nonetheless going there when and if the opportunity presents itself in a desirable manner. I think labels like straight and gay are safe because they define a strict boundary but not necessarily an accurate one. I've had more sex with "straight as an arrow" men then I care to recall as I'm sure many of use have. My vote is to get rid of labels altogether. I'm a man, I have sex with men 80 percent of the time and women 20 percent of the time. It's fine no matter which percentage I'm in and my partners enjoy themselves. That should be all that matters.

 

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Thanks for all of the thoughtful responses. I think it is often difficult to discuss bisexuality openly because of the assumption BVB and Gman note. Stagger seems to have suffered some of the same misunderstanding and lack of tolerance that I've experienced. Straight and gay men alike often assume you are really gay but in denial. I've tried explaining that there isn't much to deny if I'm admitting that I'm attracted to other men, but they still assume I have a hidden agenda in professing to be attracted to women as well as men -- as if by labeling myself bisexual rather than gay I think it makes me more manly. I'm sure there are guys who feel this way and are 99% gay (I tend to agree with Lohengrin's sliding concept). I even had one guy tell me he knew I was doing that because he did it himself for a while before he was willing to admit he was "totally gay." Personally, it doesn't make sense to me because I do not believe labeling myself as bisexual offers social solace; bisexuality seems to be even less socially acceptable than homosexuality because of the assumption that the bisexuals are really homosexual but unable to be completely true to themselves.

 

Thanks again for allowing me to discuss an issue that has been very confusing to me for a long time and for being understanding and confirming that other people go through the same thing. Knowing that you are not alone can be very empowering, and I sincerely appreciate the responses you all have provided to this thread.

 

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Thanks for all of the thoughtful responses. I think it is often difficult to discuss bisexuality openly because of the assumption BVB and Gman note. Stagger seems to have suffered some of the same misunderstanding and lack of tolerance that I've experienced. Straight and gay men alike often assume you are really gay but in denial. I've tried explaining that there isn't much to deny if I'm admitting that I'm attracted to other men, but they still assume I have a hidden agenda in professing to be attracted to women as well as men -- as if by labeling myself bisexual rather than gay I think it makes me more manly. I'm sure there are guys who feel this way and are 99% gay (I tend to agree with Lohengrin's sliding concept). I even had one guy tell me he knew I was doing that because he did it himself for a while before he was willing to admit he was "totally gay." Personally, it doesn't make sense to me because I do not believe labeling myself as bisexual offers social solace; bisexuality seems to be even less socially acceptable than homosexuality because of the assumption that the bisexuals are really homosexual but unable to be completely true to themselves.

 

Thanks again for allowing me to discuss an issue that has been very confusing to me for a long time and for being understanding and confirming that other people go through the same thing. Knowing that you are not alone can be very empowering, and I sincerely appreciate the responses you all have provided to this thread.

 

Tom

 

It was an excellent thread Tom. It allowed me to reflect on the many conversations I have had with friends. You learn a lot by listening. I changed many of my views on bisexuality after talking with those that consider themselves bisexual. Hoped this conversation helped you...Cheers, BVB

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Really good thread, Tom. I enjoyed reading what others had to say here. I think when I was younger, I tended to see things in more compartmentalized fashion and would have agreed that for most men claiming to be bisexual, they were really gay but in denial. Now that I'm older, I tend to take a more nuanced view that seems in accord with what others have written here. Maybe I should hire a female escort sometime to see what I have missed out on. . .

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Right now I am a man who has slept with men and women. Many more men than women; more times with women than men. I do not choose to use the conventional labels for my sexuality, as sexuality is fluid and the traditional definitions tend to restrict rather than encompass.

 

Given the choice today, I would pick the person to whom I was most attracted. Right now that would probably be a man, but that is hardly a certainty.

 

It has been in the past that the scope of men I found attractive was very limited in physical type and demeanor, but now I find myself more easily attracted to men. I have fostered this by playing games in my head in which I try to find something attractive about each man that passes me by on the street. As for my attraction to women, I have always had a "type" but that was a guideline and not a rule. However, I was never a "if it moves I'll fuck it" kind of guy, as many of my friends were certainly that way.

I recall being in college and a raucous party turning hedonistic. I was walking down the hall and was pulled to a room by a guy I had nicknamed Lance Romance. He told me he had three women in there and needed help. I walked in and there were three women there, naked as was Lance by this time. He told the ladies to strip me down as he smeared peanut butter and then jelly on their bodies. He then instructed me to lick it off of them as he did the same. i remember the sexiest part of this encounter was watching Lance as he moved among the women, having one suck him and then fucking another and kissing the third and encouraging me to join in. The encounter is mostly a drug fueled haze in my mind, and in reliving it the numerous times I have, I can barely recall the women, yet every detail of Lance's body and movements are seared into my head, even though Lance and i never touched. Lance clearly fueled my sexual satisfaction that night, while the women brought my body to orgasm. Trying to define this interaction as straight or gay or bisexual is inaccurate. I have stopped trying to compartmentalize my sexuality since then.

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Right now I am a man who has slept with men and women. Many more men than women; more times with women than men. I do not choose to use the conventional labels for my sexuality, as sexuality is fluid and the traditional definitions tend to restrict rather than encompass.

 

Given the choice today, I would pick the person to whom I was most attracted. Right now that would probably be a man, but that is hardly a certainty.

 

It has been in the past that the scope of men I found attractive was very limited in physical type and demeanor, but now I find myself more easily attracted to men.

I have fostered this by playing games in my head in which I try to find something attractive about each man that passes me by on the street. As for my attraction to women, I have always had a "type" but that was a guideline and not a rule. However, I was never a "if it moves I'll fuck it" kind of guy, as many of my friends were certainly that way.

I recall being in college and a raucous party turning hedonistic. I was walking down the hall and was pulled to a room by a guy I had nicknamed Lance Romance. He told me he had three women in there and needed help. I walked in and there were three women there, naked as was Lance by this time. He told the ladies to strip me down as he smeared peanut butter and then jelly on their bodies. He then instructed me to lick it off of them as he did the same. i remember the sexiest part of this encounter was watching Lance as he moved among the women, having one suck him and then fucking another and kissing the third and encouraging me to join in. The encounter is mostly a drug fueled haze in my mind, and in reliving it the numerous times I have, I can barely recall the women, yet every detail of Lance's body and movements are seared into my head, even though Lance and i never touched. Lance clearly fueled my sexual satisfaction that night, while the women brought my body to orgasm. Trying to define this interaction as straight or gay or bisexual is inaccurate. I have stopped trying to compartmentalize my sexuality since then.

 

Gee, PK, your story got me hot. At this point in my life, however, the only gratification is going to be the peanut butter. Since I don't do this sort of scenario anymore either as you described, I can once again buy Crunchy. Before, all my partners insisted on Creamy. One of the nice aspects about getting older - you can buy the kind of peanut butter that brings you pleasure without worrying about dermabrasion from the nut chunks.

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I am attracted too both in different ways, I love fucking a women because they are submissive creatures..

 

I'm curious: what do you mean by "submissive?" They're more willing to do what you want, interested in participating in bondage as a sub..?

 

I I love the fact it's not all based on looks in seducing a women, it's based on masculine behavior..

 

Definitely agree, though I'd broaden it to "It's based on a masculine persona."

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Like men and women, I like both crunchy and creamy peanut butter. I don't like them equally all the time. At some points of my life, I've preferred crunchy and at other times, I've preferred creamy. It's been a while since I've had crunchy . . . maybe I'll buy some today.

 

I'll probably use the peanut butter analogy in the future when talking about sexuality because it's something that even people who identify as completely straight or gay might be able to relate to. All peanut butter gives me pleasure just like all sex is enjoyable, but sometimes I really want the crunchy kind and at those times, creamy just won't cut it.

 

Thanks again to everyone for sharing and for the thoughtful responses.

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I've always believed that bisexuality (at varying degrees) is far more prominent in our society than anyone would admit. However, for most bisexuals I suspect societal pressure tends to lead them to chose a hetero life style since in the long run it is the path of least resistance.

 

For me personally, I'm certainly gay. Oddly, there is only one aspect of women I do find hot. Eating a woman out is a real turn on to me. I could go to town eating a woman out, but that's about all I enjoy doing. Unfortunately, not many women seem interested in a guy that just wants to eat them out and nothing else, so I'll stick to men where I enjoy a much larger range of activities.

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I had a client a week or so ago who, as we were lying in bed talking, mused about telling his adult daughter that he's gay. this is something we discuss regularly; he has been in the process of coming out for at least a year now.

 

but this time he said, "maybe I'll just tell her I'm bi first."

 

now let me say, way before this thread was written, I've been aware of the gay-man-using-bi-identity-as-a-crutch phenomenon. as an openly bi man, who also has dealt with all the ways straight or gay people deny the very existence of male bisexuals, it's bothered me for a long time. naturally, I couldnt condone his latest plan.

 

"but John*", I sputtered, "you're NOT bi!"

 

"yeah, but it'll be..." and then he trailed off. I think he trailed off because even in the dim lighting in my bedroom, he knew that I had a look of sharp disapproval on my face. I don't even think he was looking at me then - but we know each other pretty well, and I suspect he felt my glare.

 

"come on," I said, "you need to be honest. when you're ready to tell her, you'll just tell her the truth - without using the bi thing as a crutch."

 

he mumbled something like "yeah.." I held him a little harder. and we just lay there for a few minutes in silence.

 

 

 

 

*not his real name

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I had a client a week or so ago who, as we were lying in bed talking, mused about telling his adult daughter that he's gay. this is something we discuss regularly; he has been in the process of coming out for at least a year now.

 

but this time he said, "maybe I'll just tell her I'm bi first."

 

now let me say, way before this thread was written, I've been aware of the gay-man-using-bi-identity-as-a-crutch phenomenon. as an openly bi man, who also has dealt with all the ways straight or gay people deny the very existence of male bisexuals, it's bothered me for a long time. naturally, I couldnt condone his latest plan.

 

"but John*", I sputtered, "you're NOT bi!"

 

"yeah, but it'll be..." and then he trailed off. I think he trailed off because even in the dim lighting in my bedroom, he knew that I had a look of sharp disapproval on my face. I don't even think he was looking at me then - but we know each other pretty well, and I suspect he felt my glare.

 

"come on," I said, "you need to be honest. when you're ready to tell her, you'll just tell her the truth - without using the bi thing as a crutch."

 

he mumbled something like "yeah.." I held him a little harder. and we just lay there for a few minutes in silence.

 

 

 

 

*not his real name

 

He was at least bi- enough to father a daughter. I don't think I could have 'performed' with a woman- or at least I've never achieved an erection at the site or thought of one. Possibly in the situation - when I was younger -if I had been manually stimulated. Right now it's hard enough getting hard for what I like.

 

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As a “bisexual” male myself, and one who has many bisexual and straight guys working with his agency, I can say that over the years, I have learned and observed that all these words are primarily labels. I think you can use them to give people some common reference on who you enjoy being with, but there is one huge component that people often leave out. It’s not who you have sex with that makes you gay bi straight it’s who you choose to be emotionally involved with. Sex is pleasurable regardless of who its with, we are designed that way. Many studies have shown that men who define themselves as straight have had at least one homosexual relationship in their lifetime where they had orgasm. We men who enjoy sex with men and opening admit it or pursue it do damage to men who are not open about it or accepting of the fact that sex with another male can be equally or more pleasurable. Men (and women) of all sexualities will say if a man has sex with another man, like in gay for pay or escorting even, that he's not entirely straight. However, if a gay man has sex with a woman, he is still gay. It’s called internalized homophobia and we all suffer from it in some degree due to less than accepting societal norms regarding same-sex relationships, sexual and emotional.

We all go through cycles in our attraction. I could go for years thinking a red head is hot and desirable then start being attracted to blondes only. Humans are sexual beings just like any mammal. Men are biologically designed to have sex as much and often has possible. Women go through menopause. Men can father children until the day they die at 90 years old. We crave sex and when we don't have it it can cause us pain (blue balls). Humans are sexual animals, male humans are the more sexual of the two, biologically speaking. Perhaps if we just accept that fact, and don't label our behavior and try to place it neatly in a labeled box, we'd all be happier and some of the discrimination and denial of equal rights for men who enjoy men would disappear. I am no different from a gay or straight man, nor are they different from me. Many of my straight-identified escorts love "gay" sex but would never date a male, because they don't have the desire to bond with one. However, by having experiences with men, their world has opened up and those neat boundaries of gay, straight bi have become cloudy and less important to them.. They like me see sex as sex, it’s enjoyable and fun.. let’s leave it at that.

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As a “bisexual” male myself, and one who has many bisexual and straight guys working with his agency, I can say that over the years, I have learned and observed that all these words are primarily labels. I think you can use them to give people some common reference on who you enjoy being with, but there is one huge component that people often leave out. It’s not who you have sex with that makes you gay bi straight it’s who you choose to be emotionally involved with. Sex is pleasurable regardless of who its with, we are designed that way. Many studies have shown that men who define themselves as straight have had at least one homosexual relationship in their lifetime where they had orgasm. We men who enjoy sex with men and opening admit it or pursue it do damage to men who are not open about it or accepting of the fact that sex with another male can be equally or more pleasurable. Men (and women) of all sexualities will say if a man has sex with another man, like in gay for pay or escorting even, that he's not entirely straight. However, if a gay man has sex with a woman, he is still gay. It’s called internalized homophobia and we all suffer from it in some degree due to less than accepting societal norms regarding same-sex relationships, sexual and emotional.

We all go through cycles in our attraction. I could go for years thinking a red head is hot and desirable then start being attracted to blondes only. Humans are sexual beings just like any mammal. Men are biologically designed to have sex as much and often has possible. Women go through menopause. Men can father children until the day they die at 90 years old. We crave sex and when we don't have it it can cause us pain (blue balls). Humans are sexual animals, male humans are the more sexual of the two, biologically speaking. Perhaps if we just accept that fact, and don't label our behavior and try to place it neatly in a labeled box, we'd all be happier and some of the discrimination and denial of equal rights for men who enjoy men would disappear. I am no different from a gay or straight man, nor are they different from me. Many of my straight-identified escorts love "gay" sex but would never date a male, because they don't have the desire to bond with one. However, by having experiences with men, their world has opened up and those neat boundaries of gay, straight bi have become cloudy and less important to them.. They like me see sex as sex, it’s enjoyable and fun.. let’s leave it at that.

 

Just an aside- I've never had 'blue balls' in my life. Now when I was younger I usually masturbated daily. But even when I occasionally tried to give up masturbating for a few days or more, I never had ' blue balls'. On the other hand I would be the last person to say I'm a normal male.

 

Gman

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As a 100% gay total bottom in every aspect of my sex life I still find being a voyeur of straight couples having sex and straight porn gets me harder than most gay porn. There is something so amazingly hot watching a square jawed dark featured super masculine "straight" muscle guy muff diving a hot pussy....just saying! :) We all fall somewhere on the Kinsey scale in reality, but subconsciously I think I might be somewhere in the middle!

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