Inexpensive nyc escorts?

[seeker630]

 

 

 

This isn't your daddy's USA. We may be the wealthiest nation in the world-but we are also the most indebted nation on earth. Broke ass nation who is at the top isn't a good combination. Nothing wrong in looking for value-that doesn't make you cheap, just practical.

 

Very true!

[+ FreshFluff]

On backpage nyc, the advert with A&F models is asking for a hefty 1000 per hour. Way beyond what i feel comfortable with.

 

OT but important: These may not be the print models one would expect for $1000/hour. Anyone who works in the front part of an A&F store has the title "Abercrombie and Fitch Model." (See #2 here.) I learned this when a student's resumes had "A&F Model" on it.

[Becket]

I agree it's psychological. I am happy to pay $220 but always second guess myself at the $250 and up range. I don't know what it is. Thirty bucks shouldn't matter one way or another. Silly I suppose.

[Frequentflier]

Browsing thru NYC escorts on Rentboy, I was amazed that $300 seems to be the current going rate for many of the hot-looking boys. It made me wonder if there are still bargains in the Big Apple to be found out there in the post holiday season?

I used the Rentboy filter on the Advanced Search option looking only for well-built White guys (that's my preference), 35 and under, who have a posted price of $225 or less.

 

I don't know if you're thinking about doing more than one hour with someone, but you might decide on who you'd like to spend time with and then ask if there is a multiple hour rate. I've hired in NYC and sometimes the second and third hours drop quite a bit from the first hours $300. If you average the two to three hours you might find yourself at the $225 per hour you prefer. Just an idea.

[Frequentflier]

Many can afford $300 per hour but choose not to and maybe thats why they can afford to pay $300 per hour if they chose to. Read The Millionaire Next Door book. Real money never looks down its nose at how other people choose to spend their dough and isn't cavalier about how someone else spends either. One can be a savvy buyer and end up with a great time at a good price. I don't do single hour appointments and if I did, I've never pay $300 even though I could afford it. No reason to and if I'm was disappointed I'd rather be out $200 than $300. So its true its perception because maybe others wouldn't care if they were disappointed and out $300. I just wouldn't call someone out for being "cheap" if they want to spend less than $300 an hour, its their wallet, not mine and I didn't earn the money that's in theirs.

[Frequentflier]

Get ready for your comfort level to creep up. The Federal Reserve with Obama's blessing is printing currency and devaluing the dollar. It is the classic government response to high deficits and growing debt. Inflation will be the result of Washington's policies.

 

Really ?? Anyone is welcome anytime they want to pay their share of 10 + years of wars, pay more taxes than in the past to support 30,000 + wounded veterans for the rest of their lives, pay back the Bushy 2 tax cut many including myself didn't deserve during wartime and didn't need, take in their aunt/uncle/granny/whomever is living off Medicaid and/or getting far more in Medicare benefits than they ever paid in for. Without all of those cash outlays the debt would be lower - its just math - we pay more, the Fed borrows/prints less. Funny, when talking about getting services and not paying for them....got a mirror handy for those in the aforementioned situation(s)? I think we should have a separate war tax every time we enter into one, no new debt, all related expenses paid by the special tax in the year incurred.

[uwsman2]

Hey, no politics in this forum, right?

[+ bigjoey]

Just my comment on why prices are going up and will continue to rise. Yes, Bush was terrible and added to the debt; water under the bridge; that Bush was terrible is not even debatable but that does not excuse the current administration. What the current administration is doing is making the situation worse; past terrible behavior does not excuse present terrible behavior. The fact remains is that the current administration's economic policy is terrible, adding to the debt that means the Fed borrows more, etc.

 

Rent boys have to pay their bills; unfortunately New York City is an expensive place to live or stay. Currently, Jon Ramsey is sleeping in the other room (to which I will return shortly); he goes to NYC about every six weeks or so and stays at a good hotel in Times Square and complains to me about how the costs have gone up on the hotel and food which makes his stays less profitable; he either raises prices or does not come or goes to a cheaper hotel. Next week, I am traveling with "Ross" (of Maximum fame, now on his own); he lives in an old walk up building in a shared rental and sees costs going up and talks about it as well (his old apartment was about 450 square feet and he was paying a lot of money for that). My third "regular" who "works" NYC is Arek and I hear the same from him: constant increases in everything in NYC. They all cite specific examples to me of why New York is becoming too expensive for an ordinary person to live there.

 

Large tax increases in New York are going through now on a state level; those will ripple through the economy there, too. I expect to see New York just to continue to see ever increasing prices at a faster pace than the rest of the country. The top escorts will do very, very well as their service levels are so high they will attract the very wealthy who can pay the prices. The men who shop at Harry Winston's and wear hand made Italian suits and shoes and who live on Park or Fifth Avenues and have Tiffany lamps lighting their rooms with Renoir and Degas paintings can afford the ever higher prices. HOWEVER, the escort who is not beautiful, offers average services, whose personality does not sparkle, who does not offer intelligent conversation, etc will not be able to command the higher prices. Why shouldn't the top escorts charge the highest prices; they are business people and should maximize their incomes before they reach their "Do not sell by" dates.

 

Are there "bargains" to be had? Yes, but they will be harder to find as even the average or poor escort will need to cover their ever increasing living expenses What is the poor gay man who can not afford the higher prices to do? What is the senior gay man on a fixed income or depending on the low interest rates this administration loves to do? Use to "left overs" from the rich or use their hand or move to an area with lower cost of living that will have lower priced escorts that reflect that lower cost of living.

 

I have been on this board almost from the beginning. The topic of escort prices pops up every so often with guys remembering when an hour was $50 and how they will never pay more. I am saying everyone should not only get use to today's high prices but get ready to pay more.

[down_to_business]

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I have been on this board almost from the beginning. The topic of escort prices pops up every so often with guys remembering when an hour was $50 and how they will never pay more. I am saying everyone should not only get use to today's high prices but get ready to pay more.

 

The above message is a paid political advertisement by the Escort Union for driving up prices.

 

If you think driving potential clients away and catering to the shrinking top 10% is the best model to operate your business then by all means go for it. It might be unrealistic to pay a professional courtesan $50 an hour but NO you absolutely don't have to accept as a fact that $300+ an hour is the new normal. By all means if you want to pay that (or more) go for it. But to make clients think they are cheap, oppressive, terrible, low-lifes etc simply because they want to live within their means or even simply don't want to spend that kind of money is sheer bullying and wrong. Stop trying to make others feel bad about themselves for wanting fun while living within their means. Also stop trying to make other escorts feel bad about themselves for charging reasonable rates that work for them and their clients.

 

As to your assessment on todays pricing, I will offer a counter argument. The majority of jobs being created are in the low wage service industry (i.e. hotels, restaurants etc.). When these guys realize they can make $10 an hour flipping burgers or $100 an hour going out for a nice dinner followed by a night at the theater and an intimate evening-- how many do you think will opt for flipping burgers? As more and more enter the arena (supply), prices fall. These guys that do this for $100 an hour- guess what- they might not be named escort of the year but they are enthusiastic about it, enjoy what they are doing and actually show-up.

 

If you think making $100 an hour is chump change to these guys- you are the one who needs to get used to things. The market will set the prices, not what you or some other escorts hope the price to be.

 

Note: I am no way making any argument that the pricing should be $100 an hour in New York or any other market.

[Xander]

The above message is a paid political advertisement by the Escort Union for driving up prices.

 

If you think driving potential clients away and catering to the shrinking top 10% is the best model to operate your business then by all means go for it. It might be unrealistic to pay a professional courtesan $50 an hour but NO you absolutely don't have to accept as a fact that $300+ an hour is the new normal. By all means if you want to pay that (or more) go for it. But to make clients think they are cheap, oppressive, terrible, low-lifes etc simply because they want to live within their means or even simply don't want to spend that kind of money is sheer bullying and wrong. Stop trying to make others feel bad about themselves for wanting fun while living within their means. Also stop trying to make other escorts feel bad about themselves for charging reasonable rates that work for them and their clients.

 

As to your assessment on todays pricing, I will offer a counter argument. The majority of jobs being created are in the low wage service industry (i.e. hotels, restaurants etc.). When these guys realize they can make $10 an hour flipping burgers or $100 an hour going out for a nice dinner followed by a night at the theater and an intimate evening-- how many do you think will opt for flipping burgers? As more and more enter the arena (supply), prices fall. These guys that do this for $100 an hour- guess what- they might not be named escort of the year but they are enthusiastic about it, enjoy what they are doing and actually show-up.

 

If you think making $100 an hour is chump change to these guys- you are the one who needs to get used to things. The market will set the prices, not what you or some other escorts hope the price to be.

 

1. You don't want a $50 escort.

2. The market (supply) will not magically grow in the next year or two. There is way too much of a social stigma against escorting.

3. Raw bareback bottoms in Atlanta charging $100/hr deserve to be shamed. The rate and the service is unreasonable.

4. $100/hr IS chump change. Especially when tax and holiday season rolls through and I only see one client a week. If that.

5. I've been told by numerous clients (usually travelers from NYC or abroad) that my rate was so low that they have passed over my ad a few times in fear of me being 'too used'. My rate is reasonable for Atlanta.

6. Your intimate dinner/theater idea wouldn't really roll unless you were doing an overnight. At which point, you really are spending $50-$100/hr

7. Escorts are a luxury service. If you want to 'live within your means' then go see a cheap hooker.

[down_to_business]

1. You don't want a $50 escort.

2. The market (supply) will not magically grow in the next year or two. There is way too much of a social stigma against escorting.

3. Raw bareback bottoms in Atlanta charging $100/hr deserve to be shamed. The rate and the service is unreasonable.

4. $100/hr IS chump change. Especially when tax and holiday season rolls through and I only see one client a week. If that.

5. I've been told by numerous clients (usually travelers from NYC or abroad) that my rate was so low that they have passed over my ad a few times in fear of me being 'too used'. My rate is reasonable for Atlanta.

6. Your intimate dinner/theater idea wouldn't really roll unless you were doing an overnight. At which point, you really are spending $50-$100/hr

7. Escorts are a luxury service. If you want to 'live within your means' then go see a cheap hooker.

 

Can't argue with you because I think your rates fall within the paramaters of reasonable for your market. I don't like that you would call others who do charge lower rates than you cheap hookers, but if you must degrade me and/or them to feel better about yourself, so be it.

 

Personally I usually only hire for 1 hour for a first meeting with a new escort. After that I usually only do weekends or longer term vacations. I do not advocate any escort charge $100 (not that it is wrong to do so) per hour in any market. It was used only for comparisson purpose to minnimum wage to make a point.

[Xander]

There was/is no degrading of anyone here. Facts are just facts.

[+ Gar1eth]

If prices keep going up-well I lived without sex until I was 41. I guess it's a good thing that now,I'm 52, not quite as horny due to being older, and can't always ' get it up' without medicinal help- or even then sometimes. And it's not like I'll be getting it anywhere else unless my right hand and I get along which is not always the case. I'll definitely miss all the handsome and friendly men I've met over the years- oh yeah - not to mention the actual sex and kissing.

 

Gman

[raife]

The above message is a paid political advertisement by the Escort Union for driving up prices.

 

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As to your assessment on todays pricing, I will offer a counter argument. The majority of jobs being created are in the low wage service industry (i.e. hotels, restaurants etc.). When these guys realize they can make $10 an hour flipping burgers or $100 an hour going out for a nice dinner followed by a night at the theater and an intimate evening-- how many do you think will opt for flipping burgers? As more and more enter the arena (supply), prices fall. These guys that do this for $100 an hour- guess what- they might not be named escort of the year but they are enthusiastic about it, enjoy what they are doing and actually show-up.

 

If you think making $100 an hour is chump change to these guys- you are the one who needs to get used to things. The market will set the prices, not what you or some other escorts hope the price to be.

 

Point well made! I'm in Los Angeles and I'm awash in alternative offers of totally bedworthy sexy guys charging $300 or less for 3-4 hours (or overnights if I wanted them) I hardly even consider $200/hr any more because I run out my new hire monthly quota below the $150/hr level. Grindr, Craigslist, Backpage et al have driven real-life prices way down and non-pro guys are needing to outprice the competition even though cost of living here is through the roof. Get off of rentboy.com (the Neiman-Marcus catalog of escort prices) and come back to where the pricing wars predominate! Leave NM to the rich.

[+ Gar1eth]

Point well made! I'm in Los Angeles and I'm awash in alternative offers of totally bedworthy sexy guys charging $300 or less for 3-4 hours (or overnights if I wanted them) I hardly even consider $200/hr any more because I run out my new hire monthly quota below the $150/hr level. Grindr, Craigslist, Backpage et al have driven real-life prices way down and non-pro guys are needing to outprice the competition even though cost of living here is through the roof. Get off of rentboy.com (the Neiman-Marcus catalog of escort prices) and come back to where the pricing wars predominate! Leave NM to the rich.

 

 

Must be nice to have the Social Apps work for you- although I'm not sure how you find guys willing to escort on there. I gave the Social Apps up and not just for Lent. As an out of shape middle aged guy who is rapidly getting older, all they did was frustrate me with pictures of handsome guys that I'd never be able to get.

 

Gman

[anotherjohnindupont]

Really ?? Anyone is welcome anytime they want to pay their share of 10 + years of wars, pay more taxes than in the past to support 30,000 + wounded veterans for the rest of their lives, pay back the Bushy 2 tax cut many including myself didn't deserve during wartime and didn't need, take in their aunt/uncle/granny/whomever is living off Medicaid and/or getting far more in Medicare benefits than they ever paid in for. Without all of those cash outlays the debt would be lower - its just math - we pay more, the Fed borrows/prints less. Funny, when talking about getting services and not paying for them....got a mirror handy for those in the aforementioned situation(s)? I think we should have a separate war tax every time we enter into one, no new debt, all related expenses paid by the special tax in the year incurred.

 

Don't forget fat people and all their health problems paid by us, most of them are in conservative states who get so much money from the Federal Government (KY, AL, MS, TN, WV, AR, OK, WY, MO, etc).

 

If you love your country, go on a diet. Talk is cheap!

 

Having said this, there's a forum for this kind of topics.

[Frequentflier]

"If you want to 'live within your means' then go see a cheap hooker"

 

Some statements are very revealing...and not everything revealed is appealing. There are a lot of reasons behind someones rates and rates don't correlate to value, class or quality. In part that reinforces why we should do some due diligence including seeking out and reading reviews and it seems forum posts. And still we all know there are real gems that haven't been reviewed and aren't participants (yet perhaps) on sites like this one. Most of the companions I've been with haven't been reviewed on this site. Rates lower than someone else's doesn't mean they are "bad" or not as good as someone who asks more. I don't the word hooker, much less the words cheap hooker and in particular on this site I think we should avoid using it. A lot of us enjoy the company of companions and I've never been with one, good or bad, I'd refer to with the "H" word.

[down_to_business]

"If you want to 'live within your means' then go see a cheap hooker"

 

Some statements are very revealing...and not everything revealed is appealing. There are a lot of reasons behind someones rates and rates don't correlate to value, class or quality. In part that reinforces why we should do some due diligence including seeking out and reading reviews and it seems forum posts. And still we all know there are real gems that haven't been reviewed and aren't participants (yet perhaps) on sites like this one. Most of the companions I've been with haven't been reviewed on this site. Rates lower than someone else's doesn't mean they are "bad" or not as good as someone who asks more. I don't the word hooker, much less the words cheap hooker and in particular on this site I think we should avoid using it. A lot of us enjoy the company of companions and I've never been with one, good or bad, I'd refer to with the "H" word.

 

If you thought that statement was telling... What did you think about this one from another thread??

 

Someone once wanted to do a cam session with me and pay over paypal. The paypal payment email was spoofed (fake) and I caught him early on. I then realized he was emailing from his company email. Oops, accidentally hit the forward button.

 

While I would never want to see anyone try to ripoff someone else or waste their time, the fraud was detected and no harm was done. I absolutely think it deserved never speaking to this attempted fraudster (time-waster, jerk etc.) again. Did it really warrant runing some persons career and life over?? I mean jeez, I have been ripped off airfare by an escort before and yes I have their real name but it never even entered my mind to try and ruin their life over it. Even if I did want 'revenge' or tried to do something stupid or retaliatory in the heat of the moment-- I would NEVER feel good about it or wear it as a badge of honor.

 

All I can say is I am so thankful I never met this person, never shared any personal information with this person, and never will have anything to do with this person. I have no need for any such kind of person in my life!

[Xander]

Glad to see you'd defend a sleazebag criminal's career, down_to_business...

 

I believe forwarding an email should not be considered obscene revenge. If I wanted "real" revenge I could have made things a lot worse. I believe it is each of our responsibilities to bring our own personal, reasonable, law-abiding, justice. And forwarding a federally criminal payment-spoof email to an employer did just that. If you disagree, then my response is simple: don't try to screw me?

 

But, because the above was taken out of context, I repeat: Clients are always assured discretion. If you try to scam and cheat me, you are not a client; you are a criminal who will be dealt with as such.

 

Rates lower than someone else's doesn't mean they are "bad" or not as good as someone who asks more.

 

You are correct, and I never said that they were bad - its just all in how semantics are reflected upon. The simple matter of fact is, for the VAST majority of providers, when rates are exceedingly low ($50, $75...) they are not escorts, and they are not selling time. They are selling their cheap ass. If that is true - then what does it make them? Surely not an "escort".

Speaking of NYC - James and I just got home from NYC. It was all good and fun at the Black Party until I had to run off and get interviewed and during that time James was drugged by some dude. He's okay because he figured out what was happening early on and was able to find me, but there was no security to go to at the event at all. I found a staff member and explained the situation and he told me that "it happens". What kind of fucking response is that?

 

All I can say is I am so thankful I never met this person, never shared any personal information with this person, and never will have anything to do with this person. I have no need for any such kind of person in my life!

 

One last thing... it is in bad taste and rhetoric to refer to me as "this person".

[+ Gar1eth]

Glad to see you'd defend a sleazebag criminal's career, down_to_business...

 

I believe forwarding an email should not be considered obscene revenge. If I wanted "real" revenge I could have made things a lot worse. I believe it is each of our responsibilities to bring our own personal, reasonable, law-abiding, justice. And forwarding a federally criminal payment-spoof email to an employer did just that. If you disagree, then my response is simple: don't try to screw me?

 

But, because the above was taken out of context, I repeat: Clients are always assured discretion. If you try to scam and cheat me, you are not a client; you are a criminal who will be dealt with as such.

 

 

 

You are correct, and I never said that they were bad - its just all in how semantics are reflected upon. The simple matter of fact is, for the VAST majority of providers, when rates are exceedingly low ($50, $75...) they are not escorts, and they are not selling time. They are selling their cheap ass. If that is true - then what does it make them? Surely not an "escort".

Speaking of NYC - James and I just got home from NYC. It was all good and fun at the Black Party until I had to run off and get interviewed and during that time James was drugged by some dude. He's okay because he figured out what was happening early on and was able to find me, but there was no security to go to at the event at all. I found a staff member and explained the situation and he told me that "it happens". What kind of fucking response is that?

 

 

 

One last thing... it is in bad taste and rhetoric to refer to me as "this person".

 

So sorry about James. Glad he recovered without incident. Is there anyway you can tell us what happened, so some of the naive among might learn to spot a similar situation?

 

 

 

Gman

[sincityboy2010]

YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR! People like you AMAZE me. You expect a top notch quality escort at less than $300? You have absolutely NO respect for escorts or what we do. WOW. Good luck and be sure to hide your wallet bc at the prices you are willing to pay you are probably going to get some shady guy who will rob you.

[seeker630]

YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR! People like you AMAZE me. You expect a top notch quality escort at less than $300? You have absolutely NO respect for escorts or what we do. WOW. Good luck and be sure to hide your wallet bc at the prices you are willing to pay you are probably going to get some shady guy who will rob you.

 

I'm not sure what qualifies you to make such statements. How many escorts have you hired - and how many were under $300?

 

And lots of guys here can tell you from their own experience that paying 300 is no guarantee of a 'top notch quality' experience. I have had some mediocre experiences for 300 & some first-rate sessions for 200.

 

Please note that I am not criticizing your rates, nor disputing your right to charge what you think is reasonable and appropriate.

[robberbaron4u]

As an practical man of affairs, I think SinCityBoy2010 is tantalizing in his no-nonsense, "big bucks" on the table approach to the "business".

[biguy]

Gman...try some testosterone cream....only the prescription stuff from a doctor. Will work wonders for those low in testosterone (usually u guys over 50)

[+ Gar1eth]

Gman...try some testosterone cream....only the prescription stuff from a doctor. Will work wonders for those low in testosterone (usually u guys over 50)

 

I appreciate the advice. But from what I've seen in the medical studies, it may have effects on how you feel- but not good proof of efficacy on erections- although I have to keep in mind that for years scientists in the 70's to 80's and probably before, said the actions of anabolic steroids on athletic performance was only due to the placebo effect. Athletes used to 'laugh' when their doctors told them this because they knew it was more than a placebo effect.

 

I was on the injections for over a year. My testosterone wasn't below normal, but was at the lower end of normal. My origin urologist said that if I wasn't getting erections at things that would normally arouse me- then that level of testosterone was too low for me. Sometimes it seemed like it helped and sometimes it didnt. The effects were never dramatic in any case. It didnt help me stay hard forever and sometimes didnt seem to be doing anything. I still had to take Viagra or Levitra- and again often neither the testosterone or Viagra/Levitra seemed to be doing anything. So I stopped the injections about a year ago. A second urologist I saw several months after I first stopped taking the injections disagreed with the first urologist's

opinion about my low normal level being too low relatively for me. So who knows. Doctors- can't live with'em can't live without 'em.

 

Gman