Sean Caden

[rguer]

I agree with citylaw1 that his experience is worth posting about - as the case was presented here, the escort acted like a flake, and it's reasonable to inform us of that.

 

Many other issues, some of them interesting, have been brought up over the course of the thread, so I don't think it's been unreasonably long. Recently, however, some of the responses have been closer to personal attacks than to rational discussion, so perhaps the thread has reached the end of its useful life.

 

Perhaps citylaw1 can tell us about his recent experience with the guy who thinks he's a dolphin. Was this in a sexual situation? Did someone have to wear flippers?

[jjkrkwood]

I agree with citylaw1 that his experience is worth posting about - as the case was presented here, the escort acted like a flake, and it's reasonable to inform us of that.

 

Many other issues, some of them interesting, have been brought up over the course of the thread, so I don't think it's been unreasonably long. Recently, however, some of the responses have been closer to personal attacks than to rational discussion, so perhaps the thread has reached the end of its useful life.

 

Perhaps citylaw1 can tell us about his recent experience with the guy who thinks he's a dolphin. Was this in a sexual situation? Did someone have to wear flippers?

 

rguer, it is not uncommon for escorts to be "incommunicato" for long periods of time, nor can you expect the escort to remember Who you are if he has never met you before. And certainly you can never expect an escort to make corresponding with you his priority; this point strictly has to do with how the escort views and runs his business. Yes, in comparison to other experiences the OP may have had negotiationg with hires, THIS one may have stood out for all the wrong reasons in his mind, but to turn around and brand the boy a flake, to me, is a disservice.

As I have said before, the OP could have just related his experience with boy without all the add-on narrative and labelling. We the readers could then draw our conclusions from the "facts"... For me, this post has always been the OP's retaliation against a boy who turned him down. Nothing more, nothing less, and YES it is only MY opinion.

[instudiocity]

Instudio, I agree with everything you have said, but you, I and anyone else who has voiced an opinion contrary to the OP will only continue to be rebuffed by the OP, because he JUST CANT SEE the error of his ways. Who else would turn a simple "turning down of an offer" into a mini-series...

Well, jj, you may rest assured that when I find myself South 120 miles, I will be TASTING THE WARES (BOY), just so I can REVIEW how hot he really is!

[maxwellissmart]

So you write a negative review that can't even be posted based on Daddy's Reviews Terms of Service, and bitch about Sean on two message boards. You're the mature one, right?

 

So you felt the need to share common ground, but that common ground was a third party. You offered none of yourself nor requested anything from Sean in the way of establishing common ground.

 

Speaking of Door Of Trust, did you see what your 26th hour poke said? Me: So I assume that you're not interested? If I'd gotten that text the next day, my response would have been, "Who the FUCK ARE YOU?"

 

Seriously, you need someone to say, you should have written? "Hey Sean, City again from yesterday. Are you interested in planning a trip to see me in Florida? I'd love to have you come visit." And in your response to his "How Much $" could have been, "I see an overnight rate on your ad, but I'm thinking you'll be away from San Diego for the better part of 3-4 days with travel time and your visit with me. Can we set a flat rate for your time - of course, I'll pay all your expenses."

 

Well, you've made the point that all you're looking for is to penetrate a rectum. I tend to pay escorts for their time, their presence in the appointment, and for their preparation. I don't assume I'm going to poke them, until they actually say, "Fuck ME!" in the appointment. Everyone I hire has the option to stop the encounter at any point during the encounter - I'm all about safety, comfort and willingness. I do let them know what I want to do during the appointment, but I would never do anything without their consent in the moment. Maybe that's why I have the opportunity to have repeat appointments with my guys. Maybe that's why they like to travel and dine with me off the clock. Just saying, people mirror the treatment they are receiving.

 

Heavy traffic = poor, inexperience and dumb. Wow, that you could actually write that drivel is unbelievable.

 

I hope to one day have the opportunity to share a drink with you. I really want to see how you get the drink to your lips with your head so far up your own ass. (SARCASM!)

 

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment and give some insight as to how an escort might think about receiving a message such as citylaw's—since I am too lazy to look back and see if an escort has actually already responded, and it appears Client A and Client B, C, D, and E are just arguing at this point. Don't get me wrong, I think just about everyone who has posted has made some very good comments.

 

1) I am Sean, Mark II. Someone texts me. Yay—a potential client. After all, I did set myself up for receiving clients via text and specify that I like to receive them from "serious clients" in my ad.

 

2) Hmm, it's someone using the old "someone told me about you" line—yes, I've heard that one before. However, I guess it is a possibility, seeing how I am reviewed, was a coverboy on Hooboy and I live in a market (San Diego), where word-of-mouth knowledge of my "talents" might by passed around.

 

3) And great, they're from out of town. Again though—I do have myself advertised as being available for at least an overnight, and most importantly: I never judge anyone before I get to know them. In fact, I believe this so much that I actually put it into my ad copy. So, maybe they're on the up-and-up and I should pursue the opportunity to make at least $2000.

 

4) Of course, I don't want to seem too interested, that might make my ability to negotiate more weighted in their favor, if they want longer than one day. And they might be a flake. So let's give them a firm "maybe, how about some details/more information?"

 

5) Hmm... June 2nd, well—that's not too far away. Let me think about it. (oh look, a string/butterfly/a bee in my car = instant distraction—i.e., I forget to continue the thread of conversation).

 

Now up to this point I can give Sean the benefit of the doubt, because I could very easily think just like he did and since it's a text conversation—respond just like he did.

 

But then it's all downhill from there. Anytime I make a mistake—I admit to that mistake, especially when it could cost me a lot of money. At the very least, Sean could have said: "I'm sorry, I meant to get back to you. Can you send me some more info? Can you give me a call directly? Actually, I'm afraid that my personal responsibilities keep me from traveling, but are you planning to be in the area soon?"

 

As it is, he's a dick, and an amateur. And you can find plenty of those for free online. I deal with potential clients who waste my time, all the time. It's one thing to come on the board and bitch about them, but with only a few exceptions I generally treat them all at face value—they've contacted me and they want to give me money to get in my pants. I think Sean is one of those pretty boys who gets lots of kisses and attention lavished upon him, so much so that he just doesn't know what to do with it all.

 

And he's probably let it go a little bit to his head, and that's a shame that he promises respect and auras and sensitivity and a whole lot else but can't follow through with something as simple as typing "hey, I'm sorry it won't work out for me. Good luck with your search."

[instudiocity]

I agree with citylaw1 that his experience is worth posting about - as the case was presented here, the escort acted like a flake, and it's reasonable to inform us of that.

 

Many other issues, some of them interesting, have been brought up over the course of the thread, so I don't think it's been unreasonably long....

One must consider the reason for Citylaw1's original post and his subsequent posting of the text message sequence after his originally saying he wouldn't post his text sequence. Frankly, CityLaw1 is pissed off - (if he's not, forgive me and he needs to delete some more of his posts) and that's the bottom line. CL1 is trashing a guy (Sean Caden). He doesn't deserve trashing (and if I'm wrong, I'll be vilified and maybe time-out-ted here).

 

The bottom line is this: The whole thread is ridiculous. Any asshole who would bitch about 'the text message sequence' as posted isn't worthy of being laid -with or without money or with three time the money...

 

I'm just sayin'

 

I mean, give me a fucking break! Who would get on an airplane to travel across the nation to meet a BEE-eye-ITCH who can't text message his desires, or feelings, or wants in a decent way? Worse than that - Citylaw1 by his on admission just wants to fuck the boy. Come-on! There's no THERE, there!

[instudiocity]

I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment and give some insight as to how an escort might think about receiving a message such as citylaw's—

LOL! MAX, I'm in total lust and thank you for defending Citylaw1. He doesn't deserve all my trashing, but he does deserve SOME!

 

Max, where's your ad? Have I got to fly to DC just do get you naked?

[jjkrkwood]

Max, I always respect your comments, and always consider them knowing they are coming from the voice of experience in the escort arena. And for the most part, you are Right again here. However, for me, its a "should-coulda-woulda" situation. Yes perhaps if he cared and was more responsible, he would have handled his interaction with the OP differently. But he DIDNT, and the conclusion many can draw is that he is a dick. BUT we didnt need the OP to tell us that. We get that from the facts. That was MY point. The OP is carrying on about this like a bitter old maid who had her 401k stolen by some "gentleman caller"..... Its excessive and unnecessary. The boy didnt care.... leave it at that !

[jjkrkwood]

LOL! MAX, I'm in total lust and thank you for defending Citylaw1. He doesn't deserve all my trashing, but he does deserve SOME!

 

Max, where's your ad? Have I got to fly to DC just do get you naked?

 

Good luck with that Instudio.... HE wont even meet me for lunch (and I told him he could order the most expensive thing on the menu too)....

[unsub2O17]

Good luck with that Instudio.... HE wont even meet me for lunch (and I told him he could order the most expensive thing on the menu too)....

 

Sorry, guys. Max is moving to Chicago!

[maxwellissmart]

Max, I always respect your comments, and always consider them knowing they are coming from the voice of experience in the escort arena. And for the most part, you are Right again here. However, for me, its a "should-coulda-woulda" situation. Yes perhaps if he cared and was more responsible, he would have handled his interaction with the OP differently. But he DIDNT, and the conclusion many can draw is that he is a dick. BUT we didnt need the OP to tell us that. We get that from the facts. That was MY point. The OP is carrying on about this like a bitter old maid who had her 401k stolen by some "gentleman caller"..... Its excessive and unnecessary. The boy didnt care.... leave it at that !

 

JJ, Sean's behavior is a metaphor for what goes on in both the escort world and on this board—that is, people will turn a blind eye to whatever it is they don't want to see, and will pretend that it didn't happen. I've gotten in flame-wars with escorts and clients alike over what should have been cut-and-dried situations of directly and blatant dishonesty, and they STILL want to give the escort the benefit of the doubt because their dick might be in his ass or mouth someday. People love their spotless ideas of fantasy, and few want to be the guy who is the Debbie Downer and spoils it all—especially when money is involved. I disagree that "we get that from the facts" is a valid statement—well, a lasting statement might be a better phrase—because it will go in one ear and out the other. Sean may be a perfectly lovely experience once you get past the door with the correct key, but in this case he acted like a jerk. And he managed to do that in remarkably little time and with very few words. While I do think that citylaw is more upset than he's admitting and perhaps more so than he should be, considering he's not new at the hiring game and should have a thicker skin considering he's a lawyer—it's no different than when I go off on a Facebook rant for a dozen posts about how the cashier at the grocery store is a complete moron and should be strung up. Then I cool off, let it go and move on. I'm glad citylaw did post the thread, because some of the followups were different from each other and yet still were quite on the money, and that's what the board is for—to learn how to hire, how to enjoy, how to avoid making mistakes, and how to share your experience with escorts.

 

That said, I laughed my ass off at the stolen 401K comment.

[instudiocity]

Good luck with that Instudio.... HE wont even meet me for lunch (and I told him he could order the most expensive thing on the menu too)....

You've offered him, himself? LOL!

[seeker630]

Many other issues, some of them interesting, have been brought up over the course of the thread, so I don't think it's been unreasonably long. Recently, however, some of the responses have been closer to personal attacks than to rational discussion, so perhaps the thread has reached the end of its useful life.

 

I agree - why keep throwing gasoline on a dying fire.

[orbital sander]

zzz...

 

Huh, what?

[BostonPhil]

Good luck with that Instudio.... HE wont even meet me for lunch (and I told him he could order the most expensive thing on the menu too)....

 

You told me if I ordered the most expensive thing I would have to take my pants off.

[maxwellissmart]

You told me if I ordered the most expensive thing I would have to take my pants off.

 

I met Phil for lunch just the other day and then we made sweet love. He can tell you that I'm stunningly handsome, right Phil?

[BostonPhil]

I met Phil for lunch just the other day and then we made sweet love. He can tell you that I'm stunningly handsome, right Phil?

 

I barely got my pants off before I exploded the first time.

[instudiocity]

You told me if I ordered the most expensive thing I would have to take my pants off.

EXACTLY!

If I'm dinng with an escort, his ass better be worth more than the best steak on the menu!

 

FYI, BostonPhil, your ass is on the Special VIP, gotta fuck it right, menu! I saw it right there!

[jjkrkwood]

You told me if I ordered the most expensive thing I would have to take my pants off.

 

Yeah but thats because YOU are young, slim and blue-eyed, he's old and washed up !

[BostonPhil]

EXACTLY!

If I'm dinng with an escort, his ass better be worth more than the best steak on the menu!

 

FYI, BostonPhil, your ass is on the Special VIP, gotta fuck it right, menu! I saw it right there!

 

Where is this menu and can I get a copy? Am I available on diningin.com

 

Yeah but thats because YOU are young, slim and blue-eyed, he's old and washed up !

 

But let me tell you, his ass is nice and firm. And yummy!

[citylaw1]

What's at play here is that you overreacted to an escort's response to your terse texts, became pissed when he wanted to know how much he would earn from this cross-country jaunt, and are disappointed that you did not receive the empathy you expected from the members of this board. Before you tell me that texts, by nature, are terse, let me tell you that I text in complete thoughts and sentences. Several of my friends also text in complete sentences, including a few who are not college graduates. Communication skills, which are the heart of this matter, are not necessarily a function of education level, income, or breadth of experience. As instudiocity pointed out, you wold have been better served had you texted a complete thought. Even a text that read "Hi, I am interested in hiring you for a long weekend that would require cross-country travel. May. I call or e-mail you with details" would have been an improvement over what you wrote. You have received some helpful suggestions here. Instead of denigrating the members' suggestions by stating you find the members to be less educated, wealthy, and experienced than those of the other board, take them to heart and use them to improve your engagement skills.

 

While texting paragraphs might be for some, it's not for me. I sent an introductory text offering a deal. His responses were much more "curt" than mine. Had he shown a desire to travel, I, of course, would have suggested a phone conversation. Had Sean allowed email communication I would have been more elaborate in my invite to drop 4K into his wallet. I am not denigrating members for their suggestions. If you're gonna come at me and accuse me of lust and other nonsense, you better spell the fucking words right.

[BostonPhil]

Come on guys, lighten up. It is just ass.

 

I won't say either person was right or wrong without the perspective of the person on the other side. Yeah he might not have been so savvy this day, but is that really worth damaging his business over? Is it worth all this time and energy? The only thing harmed has been his business and reputation which he pretty much did himself.

 

What bothers me is the relative ease you all are attacking each other. We are all people. We are all unique. We all communicate differently.

 

Move on.

[josephga]

I agree move on. nothing to see here

[JT Brooklyn]

Since the Majority of "Working Guys" and there's quite a few now who donot get any Biz from Daddys Chit-Chat and the ones discussed around here get MAYBE 10% in a good week.. Ain't nobodys Business gonna be ruined!

 

BUT...The quickest way to "screw him" or any WG and not in a good way $$$ around here out of his 10% BIZ is to drag "Chit Chat" Threads on and on...about him!

 

There is a point at least around here where..Any Publicity "Bad is Good" is not always True...As a few WG around here have found out in the Past over the Years going back to HOOBOY Days!

[citylaw1]

So you write a negative review that can't even be posted based on Daddy's Reviews Terms of Service, and bitch about Sean on two message boards. You're the mature one, right?

 

I wrote in a forum that is dedicated to the "discussion of escorts." I discussed an escort. That isn't appropriate?

 

So you felt the need to share common ground, but that common ground was a third party. You offered none of yourself nor requested anything from Sean in the way of establishing common ground.

 

Right. I was establishing that I knew someone that fucked him in a hotel in San Diego and recommended him. I wasn't proposing marriage here. Do you think that traveling escorts are expecting flowers at the airport and a horse drawn carriage through the park on the way to a hotel?

 

Speaking of Door Of Trust, did you see what your 26th hour poke said? Me: So I assume that you're not interested? If I'd gotten that text the next day, my response would have been, "Who the FUCK ARE YOU?"

 

You probably have an old phone on your flowered bed quilt. Most of us have I Phones. And EVERY boy that I've hired has had one. These little gadgets store texts as a grouping from each individual. He knew exactly who I was.

 

Seriously, you need someone to say, you should have written? "Hey Sean, City again from yesterday. Are you interested in planning a trip to see me in Florida? I'd love to have you come visit." And in your response to his "How Much $" could have been, "I see an overnight rate on your ad, but I'm thinking you'll be away from San Diego for the better part of 3-4 days with travel time and your visit with me. Can we set a flat rate for your time - of course, I'll pay all your expenses."

 

I could have sent this if I chose to. I chose not to. In a phone conversation a lot would have taken place. Sean could have said "call me." Again, I'm not the one that suggested texting as a means of arranging an appointment.

 

Well, you've made the point that all you're looking for is to penetrate a rectum. I tend to pay escorts for their time, their presence in the appointment, and for their preparation. I don't assume I'm going to poke them, until they actually say, "Fuck ME!" in the appointment. Everyone I hire has the option to stop the encounter at any point during the encounter - I'm all about safety, comfort and willingness. I do let them know what I want to do during the appointment, but I would never do anything without their consent in the moment. Maybe that's why I have the opportunity to have repeat appointments with my guys. Maybe that's why they like to travel and dine with me off the clock. Just saying, people mirror the treatment they are receiving.

 

"Poke" is a Facebook term for waking someone online you weirdo. I have arranged countless travel with escorts over 10 years sir. Many of which are repeat appointments. I have probably 10 reviews on this site, and in 10 years of hiring I have never written a bad review or started a negative thread regarding an escort. Now you've got me pegged as a rapist...lol.

 

 

Heavy traffic = poor, inexperience and dumb. Wow, that you could actually write that drivel is unbelievable.

 

Where did I say this? I said that this site experiences heavier traffic. I then mentioned that I receive answers to my escort related posts more consistently there. I never surmised that traffic=poor, inexperienced and dumb.

 

I hope to one day have the opportunity to share a drink with you. I really want to see how you get the drink to your lips with your head so far up your own ass. (SARCASM!)

[citylaw1]

Come on guys, lighten up. It is just ass.

 

I won't say either person was right or wrong without the perspective of the person on the other side. Yeah he might not have been so savvy this day, but is that really worth damaging his business over? Is it worth all this time and energy? The only thing harmed has been his business and reputation which he pretty much did himself.

 

What bothers me is the relative ease you all are attacking each other. We are all people. We are all unique. We all communicate differently.

 

Move on.

 

I related an experience with an escort here. I was then attacked.