cancelations and security deposits

[zach_wilson]

Recently I have seen an influx in cancelations, not a couple days out from the appointment but the kind where it is canceled the day of after being confirmed maybe as recent as the day before, and not canceling by saying sorry "I can not make it as my work schedule has changed" just simply going quiet. I could understand if it was a couple days out that gives one time to try and fill that slot. However when you tell someone else your week is booked solid, then two openings come up last minute you can not simply call them last minute, as that person may have already booked someone else in leu of you not being able to see them or may have set other plans. So the question arises, and has been asked before I believe, but is it fair to ask for a sort of security deposit, not saying on an hour appointment; but maybe anything above two hours. As this could lead to a conflict in our ability to schedule other appointments. So I propose what if it was asked that on a two hour rate of 350 that a security deposit be made for 50$ and maybe an overnight rate of 900 maybe 150$ something to hold down the appointment, as I also do not find it fair that when being flown out the flight comfirmation/ticket is the deposit as money has already been put in on the clients side to hold that appointment, so i feel it only fair something be made for longer appointments locally? Thoughts on this manner, does it happen to anyone else, etc.

 

xoxo zach

[robberbaron4u]

"Escorting" is a business, not a non-profit charity operation. "Time" is money. If the cancellation is on my part, and, I cannot give forty-eight hours notice to the "hire", I pay up on the scheduled session as a professional courtesy.

[jawjateck]

Well...I'll kick it off, with this client's perspective. I will never pay a cash deposit to secure an appointment; as you mentioned, the only up-front costs I incur are travel arrangements for a provider when necessary for an appointment. But that's just one man's personal take, and since there is diversity in the client world, there are others who will comply with your request to secure time with you. Based on your proposed fee structure, you will weed out some flakes, and it's a reasonable deposit amount, unlike some guys who request 50% or one-full night's fee upfront. If you enact the deposit, only you will be able to determine the cost-benefit, balancing fewer time-wasters with the occasional loss of a good client.

 

On a personal note, I feel for you, and wish you didn't have to experience so much crap to make a living. However, it's not unique to your line of work.

[seeker630]

I think it's reasonable, although it may discourage some clients, but how would you collect this deposit - and in a way that protects the client's identity if he prefers not to divulge it?

[SteveEscort]

I think it's reasonable, although it may discourage some clients, but how would you collect this deposit - and in a way that protects the client's identity if he prefers not to divulge it?

 

I only take deposits if it's a new client and they want me to travel a considerable distance to them. It works well, no clients have ever questioned it. They obviously want the best rail fare price and so if they book 7 days in advance I can usually get a 75% discount with the train company which benefits them. I won't book my train ticket until a prepayment is made. One a few occasions I have purchased a train ticket and had a regular client cancel, however, they've always refunded my costs. I've never had a problem with it

[zach_wilson]

Anton I like the prepayment way of wording it as it is very hard to put it into an easy to understand term that also is not offensive. And as you stated, the prepayment may not be a requirement however if one wanted to make sure that time slot stayed open for them they had the option to do it and make sure that period of time is set aside for them and there is no chance of that being double booked, however, if one were to opt not to do a prepayment and request the appointment time be held you could still do that and in the event one come along willing to do a prepayment for the time simply email, or contact the other one and inform of the policy and state the time had been prepayed, however then you must make clear that is what it does. seeker I feel you could ask for it paypal, however im unsure. I have just seen so many times recently where the emails are consistent until the day of then the day of the emails stop and there isnt any word. this could be dangerous if the person gave an address, and your supposed to drive two hours to see them, as if they dont respond that day to confirm and you drive all that way your out travel cost, and your out four hours of your time. I feel the cancelations are becoming quite a contravirsy as I understand this is not the first time deposits, etc has been brought up. However Anton as you stated most ask for 50% to full, that I feel is a lot however if it is like I had stated it should be just a measure of good faith to know both of us will hold up our end of the deal.

[maxwellissmart]

Recently I have seen an influx in cancelations, not a couple days out from the appointment but the kind where it is canceled the day of after being confirmed maybe as recent as the day before, and not canceling by saying sorry "I can not make it as my work schedule has changed" just simply going quiet. I could understand if it was a couple days out that gives one time to try and fill that slot. However when you tell someone else your week is booked solid, then two openings come up last minute you can not simply call them last minute, as that person may have already booked someone else in leu of you not being able to see them or may have set other plans. So the question arises, and has been asked before I believe, but is it fair to ask for a sort of security deposit, not saying on an hour appointment; but maybe anything above two hours. As this could lead to a conflict in our ability to schedule other appointments. So I propose what if it was asked that on a two hour rate of 350 that a security deposit be made for 50$ and maybe an overnight rate of 900 maybe 150$ something to hold down the appointment, as I also do not find it fair that when being flown out the flight comfirmation/ticket is the deposit as money has already been put in on the clients side to hold that appointment, so i feel it only fair something be made for longer appointments locally? Thoughts on this manner, does it happen to anyone else, etc.

 

xoxo zach

 

You and me both, sister.

 

This has been one of the worst months I've ever had with escorting—with cancelations, no-shows and just plain "hey, let's fuck with an escort" BS. I'm hoping summer kicks into high gear shortly.

[BostonPhil]

You can use Paypal to do this but it will expose both real names. Clients gone silent is always annoying, the prepayment idea is a good one for first time clients. I would think even mentioning it will show you if the client is serious or not by their reaction. Ironically, look what came across my computer this morning:

 

http://thenycblacklist.blogspot.com/

[BostonPhil]

You and me both, sister.

 

This has been one of the worst months I've ever had with escorting—with cancelations, no-shows and just plain "hey, let's fuck with an escort" BS. I'm hoping summer kicks into high gear shortly.

 

Tell me about it. Thank god for regulars.

[tom1980]

You can use Paypal to do this but it will expose both real names. Clients gone silent is always annoying, the prepayment idea is a good one for first time clients. I would think even mentioning it will show you if the client is serious or not by their reaction. Ironically, look what came across my computer this morning:

 

http://thenycblacklist.blogspot.com/

 

I'm a serious client. I only contact escorts when I am ready to make an appointment. I'm respectful and considerate. Hiwever, if you proposed a prepayment or deposit before meeting me the first time, you may draw the opposite conclusion. I'd assume you are a hustler and would not show up for the appointment. I'd assume that you are running a scam and that you aren't interested in actually seeing clients. Now if I'd met you before and canceled on you multiple times at the last minute, I wouldn't be surprised if you wanted to charge me a deposit. But for a first meeting, I'd see it as a huge red flag.

[BostonPhil]

I'm a serious client. I only contact escorts when I am ready to make an appointment. I'm respectful and considerate. Hiwever, if you proposed a prepayment or deposit before meeting me the first time, you may draw the opposite conclusion. I'd assume you are a hustler and would not show up for the appointment. I'd assume that you are running a scam and that you aren't interested in actually seeing clients. Now if I'd met you before and canceled on you multiple times at the last minute, I wouldn't be surprised if you wanted to charge me a deposit. But for a first meeting, I'd see it as a huge red flag.

 

I think if an escort is experiencing a lot of trouble with this it is something they can consider.

[citylaw1]

Zach,

 

I think that a 10% deposit is certainly reasonable. If you were versatile I would happily pay that deposit and fly you to me!

[tom1980]

I think if an escort is experiencing a lot of trouble with this it is something they can consider.

 

Certainly, consider all options. But if new clients react badly and the escort ends up losing more business by demanding a prepayment, the escort should not be surprised. Maybe other clients would be willing to pay money to a guy they've never met simply because he has hot pictures posted online, but I'd think it was a scam and stay far far away. I'd question whether he'd demand more money after the first payment or change his mind about other terms for the meeting. Maybe he would no longer be willing to host me and demand that I rent a hotel room. Maybe his car would "break down" and he'd demand that I prepay for his taxi. Whatever might be coming, I'd avoid the problem by not giving him money in the first place.

[unsub2O17]

Hi Tom,

 

 

 

I appreciate that you are bringing this up. Especially when I do a lot of traveling expenses can be high, cancellations are more of a risk than otherwise, and then it can happen that I ask a small prepayment.

 

One client actually got hesitant for the reason you just described. What I wrote him back was simple; I have only good reviews and if I'd take someone's money and then not show up, I can expect a bad review to appear soon. That would totally screw up the reputation I had carefully built up so far. It's not easy to build up a good name and it takes a lot of time. I wrote the client that I'd be making clearly more money by keeping my appointments and showing up, instead of just taking a small prepayment and then not show up. That took away his concerns.

 

Nevertheless I think it's always good to be alert and I'm not saying that you should be less careful. I'm only showing what things look like at "our" side of the game.

 

Sincerely, Anton.

 

That's what this forum is for. But I have to vote with Tom here. Before I even ask for an appointment, I am serious about it (most especially including first time). I will do just about anything I can to keep it. I'm risking my time and ego. The escort is hopefully making his decision on my persona as well as his financial situation. We're both taking risks.

[tom1980]

Anton -- if you are travelling to see me, then I agree that you have some risks and that a prepayment might be in order. But for a standard two or three hour incall or an pitfall in the same city, I'd almost definitely move on to the next guy. If the escort has many good reviews like you, I'd be willing to consider it, but I would probably pass because even if I'm comfortable that the escort isn't running a con, the demand for prepayment would be offputting and make me wonder if the escort is someone I could connect with.

[jgoo]

Try a few test cases with new guys who want to hire you locally by suggesting the small downpayment as a way to "guarantee" their chosen time slot. You can gauge the reaction and make an assessment if you are possibly losing serious clients who frown on this or avoiding the guys who play games with escorts by not being serious about keeping appointments. You'll have to work out the logistics for getting the payment and keeping track of things but it is probably a good exercise and you may learn quite a bit from it. Good luck! Of course if I were to hire you, I would probably fly you to me so its not an issue (I'd fly you up for an enjoyable overnight including a nice sushi meal).

[zach_wilson]

Try a few test cases with new guys who want to hire you locally by suggesting the small downpayment as a way to "guarantee" their chosen time slot. You can gauge the reaction and make an assessment if you are possibly losing serious clients who frown on this or avoiding the guys who play games with escorts by not being serious about keeping appointments. You'll have to work out the logistics for getting the payment and keeping track of things but it is probably a good exercise and you may learn quite a bit from it. Good luck! Of course if I were to hire you, I would probably fly you to me so its not an issue (I'd fly you up for an enjoyable overnight including a nice sushi meal).

 

 

Thank you jgoo,

Certainly I agree to come to the matter with caution, however it does seam it is happening more so with locals, as flying out the prepayment is the flight confirmation so you are right it is not a problem. I agree approaching it as a "gaurantee" that time slot will be theres may entice one to do it more so, also reviews(as stated on here by a few) may have another role to play in it because I can certainly see where one would think it a scam from someone with one or no reviews. Your idea of an overnight sounds like a lot of fun by the way .

 

xoxo zach

[maxwellissmart]

You can use Paypal to do this but it will expose both real names. Clients gone silent is always annoying, the prepayment idea is a good one for first time clients. I would think even mentioning it will show you if the client is serious or not by their reaction. Ironically, look what came across my computer this morning:

 

http://thenycblacklist.blogspot.com/

 

I think there's a way around this where you don't expose your name to the receiver. I never use PayPal but when that dude who wanted to pay for pics contacted me, I investigated it.

[BostonPhil]

you can set it up as a business account but then if they find out you are using it for some sort of adult payment they will freeze the account.

[maxwellissmart]

you can set it up as a business account but then if they find out you are using it for some sort of adult payment they will freeze the account.

 

Just thaw it back with your hotness.

[Guest Connoisseur]

Hopefully bringing this topic to the forum will generate some ideas beyond an advance/prepayment. I have never cancelled without notice well in advance of any overnight I scheduled and I've never cancelled on a weekend or week long appointment, but of course know other have done as the OP explained. I have to add though that, even for well reviewed guys, I would never provide an advance or prepayment. When travel is involved, I always pay for the round trip airfare up front but I am less concerned the guy is a flake when I'm getting his real name and I'm paying an airline, not him.

[down_to_business]

Prepay non cancellable or changeable airfare, yes, not a problem, I pay directly to the airline and the escort has my show of good faith but he also has no way to sell the ticket and rip me off. Pay a deposit for or per-pay an appointment, never again- it happened twice and I was completely ripped off. Escorts have no-called no showed on me time and time again- maybe 33% of all the appointments I make. If I prepay you, there is no incentive for you to show up and I have almost no recourse. Yes, I can write a bad review but you get the last word and could easily say 'look at all my other reviews that are good.. I did no such thing..I don't know who this person is..or fill in the blank with any excuse you want.'

 

I think it sucks that people treat you this way and I believe in honoring my obligations, but there are plenty of escorts who flake out and no show for appointments to and they don't ever reimburse me for my time or expenses.

[nate_sf]

Sorry to hear you've been having these problems Zach. As an alternative to a deposit, maybe you can ask/require that they confirm the morning of the appointment. If they don't confirm, you are not obligated to hold the appointment. I have a freelance gig I do from time to time, and that's what the guy who runs it requires everyone to do since the flake factor is high. No confirmation, consider yourself cancelled (or at least the appointment time is opened to someone else).

 

For travel, including a long drive, I think it's fair to ask for gas money beforehand. Then both of you should confirm the appointment with each other the morning of. I've heard that Square (http://www.squareup.com) is an alternative to Paypal, allows you to take credit card payments with your smartphone. I haven't looked into whether you can take payments over the internet though, but have heard from others that the service is useful for payments in general.

 

And another blacklisting site! http://blacklistednow.blogspot.com

I have not posted to it, but recognize one problem client I had who is listed on it with several complaints.

[SteveEscort]

Sorry to hear you've been having these problems Zach. As an alternative to a deposit, maybe you can ask/require that they confirm the morning of the appointment.

 

Very much the policy I have Nate. I respectfully ask clients to ring me by 10am to confirm if its an appointment 11am to 3pm. If he's booked for 3pm onwards, I ask if he will confirm by 1pm and for evening appointments I ask clients what time they're checking in to their hotel and whereever possible to text me when they set of from their home location, just a text will suffice until they check in.

 

I run this procedure for regulars and new clients, no one is treated differently

[JT Brooklyn]

This Cancellation Issue goes back to the HOOBOY Days! It's the Downside to a Job that overall PAYS damn well in CASH No Tax!

 

Ya gotta "suck it up" on Cancellations! As the "Professionals" well know..The Regulars pick up the Cancellation Clients well enuff!

 

The Secret is get as many REGS as possible!