Take your judgement elsewhere

[zeyfur]

How long before daddy locks this thread.

[jankeedaddy]

Can I nominate this for the "Best post of the Year" contest?[/color]

 

http://in10words.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/burns-flying-monkeys.jpg?w=510&h=382

 

I thank you and your little dog Toto. But, there's a lotta year left. You do wrok marvelllllous in those ruby cha cha shoes.

[Guest Rabbi Hy]

I believe the person being talked about is somewhat, if not all, anti-semetic. I did not like his postings on my question about the hiring of a Jewish escort.

[citylaw1]

I will never understand anyone becoming upset over postings on an escort board from anonymous posters. How little self confidence must one have to be affected by this nonsense?

[zeyfur]

Talk about hitting a man when he is down and cannot respond ....

[RockHard]

I will never understand anyone becoming upset over postings on an escort board from anonymous posters. How little self confidence must one have to be affected by this nonsense?

 

1. Prohibiting hate speech has nothing to do with self-confidence, no matter what kind of internet board you're on.

2. Escorts may use an alias but many aliases are not anonymous. If you're known in your work life as John Holmes, then you ARE John Holmes (legally, too).

3. Anonymous humans are still human. It's not like machines are posting here. Whether you're anonymous or not, IMO, hate speech must never be tolerated.

[Guest Magnus]

I believe the person being talked about is somewhat, if not all, anti-semetic. I did not like his postings on my question about the hiring of a Jewish escort.

 

Rabbi I agreed with you when you put up your original post:

 

First of all I am not Jewish, but find this comment somewhat offensive. Not only are you making assumptions about the poster's user name, but I thought we were a community of inclusivity.

 

Originally Posted by jjkrkwood

If you ARE indeed a practicing Rabbi, isnt the hiring of escorts "frowned upon" ?

 

Rabbi, althoughI don't think he's Jewish, Tory Mason gets super turned on by, and speaks, a bit of Hebrew. And he's in LA, though more of a bottom.

http://www.rentboy.com/Listing.aspx?lid=259686

 

And yes, there are questions about his meteoric rise to over 1,000 posts in such a short period of time (not sure what "level" that makes you in Candyland).

 

However, I think we should all embrace the message in this photo. (Hint: it's somewhere below the nipple )

 

http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_li8f2mmTlD1qgjmowo1_r1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1328490803&Signature=k8RyNq6LbqDTKZl8fLAzSjwR2kM%3D

 

Or for those of you with more delicate sensibilities:

 

http://www.carryabigsticker.com/images/btn_imagine_peace_275.gif

[bigvalboy]

I believe the person being talked about is somewhat, if not all, anti-semetic. I did not like his postings on my question about the hiring of a Jewish escort.

 

Yes he lost me and other posters here as well with his comments... my email lit up like a Chandelier...I refused to get involved, but he sent more than a few over the edge..

[+ glutes]

The Sympathy of Zeyfur

 

How long before daddy locks this thread.

Talk about hitting a man when he is down and cannot respond ....

 

 

Then why don't you stop looking at this thread?

 

JJJerkWood has used this M-F as a Piñata for months, it is time for some of his own treatment...

 

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/66/PI%C3%91ATA.jpg/800px-PI%C3%91ATA.jpg

[zeyfur]

Please carry on trying to dictate which threads other posters should look at or comment upon.

[+ sam.fitzpatrick]

http://www.carryabigsticker.com/images/btn_imagine_peace_275.gif

 

I am enjoying the peace and quiet with the absence. I must confess that I have typed and deleted many posts since the offender joined the site not knowing whether I would need to defend my post. Not that I don't mind a good healthy debate and will gladly participate in one; I've noticed more than one "newbie" that was attacked and stopped posting. One even had such a negative experience that he believed that his hiring interests were "not normal" and he strongly considered returning to the closet and not continuing his exploration of gay life.

 

I've also noticed that since this individual joined the site, that the number and frequency of escort postings has dropped drastically. As I began hiring three years ago, this site was invaluable to having great escort experiences, and it was due to contributions from both clients and escorts. If one poster has caused the absence of escort postings, I'm hoping a long time-out leads to the return of more escorts making contributions.

[wayout]

I just want to say that regardless of the history of this individual who has been timed out or our own personal belief that it may be justified it is better if we all take the high road and not go overboard on criticizing a fellow member, especially as they currently can not respond or defend themselves. The powers that be have taken the action they feel is appropriate and we should leave it at that. To whose benefit does it serve to bring up past transgressions (real or perceived)? If it is to provoke some soul searching in the individual who has the time out, then I respectfully suggest that has a small chance of being successful. Time will tell if the time out modifies any behavior. Remember that the problem with "kicking someone when they are down" is that the person likely will not stay down forever. Let's just move on.

[RockHard]

I am enjoying the peace and quiet with the absence.

 

Me too.

 

Then why don't you stop looking at this thread?

 

I, too, find it odd when only one or two posters call for a fairly innocent thread to be closed. Makes me suspect a troll.

 

Frankly, I think it's very important that Daddy see and read the thoughts and feelings of his members. Unless you write him privately, which most don't do, how on earth can the owner gauge the pulse of the board?

 

the problem with "kicking someone when they are down"

 

That phrase is inappropriate in this context and I find it offensive. No one was stricken with cancer. No one lost a loving parent or child. No one lost his house or job. A troll got punished for his outrageous troll behavior. It is never appropriate to go soft on hate speech.

 

Let's not forget, Daddy removed the offending post. The board can no longer be reminded of those hateful words. For the health of the board, that's a good thing. To forget and move on is never good when it comes to hate.

 

the person likely will not stay down forever

 

The troll loves attention, no matter how negative. Let's not forget she revealed her "battle" agenda in her PM to me, which I posted (a screen shot) on the "vote off the island" thread.

 

Trolls will always find a way to operate here. It's been that way for as long as I can remember.

[bigvalboy]

To whose benefit does it serve to bring up past transgressions (real or perceived)?

 

While I agree with your statement 100%. If you go back and read this thread completely, I think you will see that jj was perceived by a lot of people as being a 'Bully'.... that is a reality, and while I do not believe we really are "kicking him while he is down" he is after all a big boy and in his own words, 'more than capable of defending himself', I do think what I see a lot going on here is pure "venting", I think that helps a lot of people just air their frustrations, and in the end a healthy process for many members to go through. This thread I believe is probably just about done, but some things just needed saying.

[Bosguy]

Let it rest. Damages have been done and issues have been addressed. Let's all move on in a positive manner and wish all involved a meaningful resolution to issues.

 

Boston Bill

[wayout]

That phrase is inappropriate in this context and I find it offensive. No one was stricken with cancer. No one lost a loving parent or child. No one lost his house or job. A troll got punished for his outrageous troll behavior. It is never appropriate to go soft on hate speech.

 

Let's not forget, Daddy removed the offending post. The board can no longer be reminded of those hateful words. For the health of the board, that's a good thing. To forget and move on is never good when it comes to hate.

 

I respectfully disagree that the phrase is necessarily inappropriate in this context.....the phrase relates to saying or doing something to someone who has no way of defending themselves at the time of it being done to him and that is the current situation while the person is on a time out. There is obviously no comparison to cancer, losing loved ones, etc. but that does not mean that a member here shouldn't be given the chance to defend their actions/posts even if we think they may be indefensible and offensive to some or many here. The mechanism to address situations that transgress TOS is in place and we have to have trust that Daddy will act in the best interest of the forum when issues are brought to his attention.

 

This whole situation is evidence that the "hate speech" was dealt with in the way established by Daddy so I don't think we can say that there was any softness involved.

[zeyfur]

Everyone has gathered together to bash JJ and anyone who tries to do otherwise is either a troll or does not have the right to free speech.

 

Glutes and Bigvalboy got timeouts and came back.

 

Steven Draker was banned and came back.

 

But JJ should be banned forever.

 

Others can have a second chance.

 

' All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others '

[RockHard]

the phrase relates to saying or doing something to someone who has no way of defending themselves

 

The discussion in this thread is mostly about thanking Daddy for taking action against a rule breaker. No one is "saying or doing" anything "to" anyone.

 

Frankly, I think thread is thoughtful, and I'm glad Steven Draker started it.

 

that does not mean that a member here shouldn't be given the chance to defend their actions/posts

 

When you push the limits of the TOS and receive a Time-Out, you give up your right to a defense. That's the way punishment works.

 

From what I've observed since 2006, no one gets banned forever here. Sure, some of the hateful queens from Hooboy days no longer post (as far as one can tell) but others do.

[JT Brooklyn]

The discussion in this thread is mostly about thanking Daddy for taking action against a rule breaker. No one is "saying or doing" anything "to" anyone

 

 

When you push the limits of the TOS and receive a Time-Out, you give up your right to a defense. That's the way punishment works.

 

From what I've observed since 2006, no one gets banned forever here. Sure, some of the hateful queens from Hooboy days no longer post (as far as one can tell) but others do.

 

Totally Agree!

[bigvalboy]

Totally Agree!

 

Ditto for me as well!! RH is 'spot on' in his analysis...

[leigh.bess.toad]

From what I've observed since 2006, no one gets banned forever here

 

Well I do know of one permanent ban, but that was for conduct behind the scenes of the forum that was so egregious it certainly warranted it. I don't know of any permanent ban because of behavior on the forum itself.

[zeyfur]

For me , what is even more disappointing is that this thread was started by Steven Draker , a poster who I respect so much , a poster who always called for calm and called for people to move on when JJ's comments were causing friction.

 

Mikey posted earlier this year that JJ's comments kept him grounded but has now changed his tune in view of the time-out.

 

I looked at the thread on Jewish escorts and not one person called JJ anti-semitic to his face When he was around.

 

Glutes needled JJ endlessly when he posted his intention to meet a guy with a massive silicon filled dick. Glutes said no normal person could find it attractive. Yet if JJ did find such things attractive and was saying so on the forum , why should it be a problem as it was his choice ?

[josephga]

I personally never thought of him as a bully. He doesn't self edit. Blunt, what you see is what you get. There's others on here that have criticized and attacked others and received no punishment for it..

[+ nycman]

How quickly the "oppressed" become the "oppressors".....

 

PS I hate all time outs and any oppression of free speech.

I've made my case years ago on this board and don't need

to again. On this point I respectfully disagree with Daddy.

[wayout]

The discussion in this thread is mostly about thanking Daddy for taking action against a rule breaker. No one is "saying or doing" anything "to" anyone.

 

While the thread started off mostly with thanking Daddy, it has devolved into other issues as well. Reviewing the posts it is pretty clear that there are many more posts that can be clearly identified as saying something negative and/or taking pot shots towards the person on the time out. So there are plenty of instances in the thread that is contrary to your point.

 

 

When you push the limits of the TOS and receive a Time-Out, you give up your right to a defense. That's the way punishment works.

 

The right to defend oneself isn't available while the person is being punished, but at the same time it does not give others the right to gloat, take pot shots, etc. This is where it becomes distasteful and seems to be "kicking someone when they are down".