Grant LA - Fail

[slcguy1]

Is this the Grant you all are discussing? https://www.massagem4m.com/gay-massage-los-angeles/kidzeus/

Edited May 14, 2016 by slcguy1

[+ Gar1eth]

Is this the Grant you all are discussing? https://www.massagem4m.com/gay-massage-los-angeles/kidzeus/

 

That's him all right. I'd give both my nuts to look like him. On the other hand if I gave both my nuts, why would it even matter.

 

Gman

[rvwnsd]

I actually had an amazing experience with Grant recently, that being said, there should be a place for masseurs to review clients.

 

I am a masseur as well, and most of the time I do not know who is going to show up. Is the person clean? Is the person going to kill me? lol

 

Would you want to massage you?

ask yourself that question and then think about how the masseurs must feel

when you show up to the door.

 

If the chemistry is not right, it can end badly for both parties involved. Some clients are not clean, are not friendly, and can easily hide behind their computers, with no photos, no number. Masseurs put themselves out there, and can be victims of bad customers, who are rude, insensitive, and aggressive.

 

The saying "The customer is always right" is not always the case.

 

Perhaps you ought to ask yourself whether you would want you to massage you. "You" being someone who joined the site yesterday and proceeded to take a rather disparaging tone with people who could be potential clients. Is that the type of energy you would want your masseur to bring to a massage?

 

While we are on the topic of hiding behind a computer, where is the link to your massage ad?

[MikeBiDude]

I actually had an amazing experience with Grant recently, that being said, there should be a place for masseurs to review clients.

 

I am a masseur as well, and most of the time I do not know who is going to show up. Is the person clean? Is the person going to kill me? lol

 

Would you want to massage you?

ask yourself that question and then think about how the masseurs must feel

when you show up to the door.

 

If the chemistry is not right, it can end badly for both parties involved. Some clients are not clean, are not friendly, and can easily hide behind their computers, with no photos, no number. Masseurs put themselves out there, and can be victims of bad customers, who are rude, insensitive, and aggressive.

 

The saying "The customer is always right" is not always the case.

Always amuses me when posts over 4 years old get resurrected. Makes me question motive as well...

[hotmuscCUBLA]

"Would you want to massage you?"

Maybe not, but as a masseur that's the job you've taken on. If you just want to massage the hot guys you've missed the point of the business.

 

"If the chemistry is not right, it can end badly for both parties involved."

As a masseur the burden is on you to make the chemistry work. What you're describing is more like a hookup. There are a few masseurs and escort who really should be on Grindr instead, and work out some sort of compensation system to cover the difference if they don't think a trick is hot enough.

 

"In a recent court ruling, a Virginia cleaning business successfully sued Yelp, forcing them to provide the identity of reviewers who had provided disparaging remarks. The business owner had requested the names of the reviewers to determine if they were real customers. The court ruled that the reviewers were not protected by freedom of speech laws if it could be proven that they were not customers of the business. This is a potentially significant case for review sites, and one that could protect companies from false claims made by competitors or others seeking revenge."

 

 

 

my point is.. who knows if the original post is by a real client, an ex who felt jilted, or a jealous person.. or a bad client.. who was drunk etc..

 

there are clients out there who really should be in therapy, rather than seeing a massage therapist. and trolling sites

 

maybe I did not go about saying what I meant to say in the right way, but come clients think they can just come into a person's home and act like a "douche bag. "

 

and taking a job on does not mean therapists should act like a doormat for other's problems

Edited May 15, 2016 by hotmuscCUBLA

[hotmuscCUBLA]

He has wild mood swings. My first time he was enthusiastic, all nude OK massage with lots of extras. He cancelled second time. The third time, he was fully clothed, me fully draped, strictly legit and very quiet. At one time, his ad said for in shape men only. I think in a previous thread, a poster stated he did not accept Asians. I'll leave it for others to find out which personality will show up next. He's gorgeous though!

 

I saw Grant a few days ago. I am in great shape, but I am 3/4 Chinese. he was very friendly, and quiet. so not sure what you mean by "personality" which would be hard to gauge after 2 massage appointments. sometimes masseurs talk, sometimes they don't and maybe he was in a relationship or dating someone? when you were draped?

 

seems to me you think you know a lot about him. are you even a client or just a person trolling threads?

Edited May 15, 2016 by hotmuscCUBLA

[Nvr2Thick]

"In a recent court ruling, a Virginia cleaning business successfully sued Yelp, forcing them to provide the identity of reviewers who had provided disparaging remarks. The business owner had requested the names of the reviewers to determine if they were real customers. The court ruled that the reviewers were not protected by freedom of speech laws if it could be proven that they were not customers of the business. This is a potentially significant case for review sites, and one that could protect companies from false claims made by competitors or others seeking revenge."

 

 

 

my point is.. who knows if the original post is by a real client, an ex who felt jilted, or a jealous person.. or a bad client.. who was drunk etc..

 

there are clients out there who really should be in therapy, rather than seeing a massage therapist. and trolling sites

 

maybe I did not go about saying what I meant to say in the right way, but come clients think they can just come into a person's home and act like a "douche bag. "

 

and taking a job on does not mean therapists should act like a doormat for other's problems

 

Your speculation is plausible, but it's still speculation. You're detailing various and wildly differing scenarios where clients could have been at fault. I could easily speculate on all the wildly different scenarios where masseurs mistreat clients or build a base of false positive reviews.

 

We don't know who you are either. It's equally reasonable or suspect to suppose that you, a hot muscle cub, could represent a scenario proving that Grant performs better for good-looking built guys. It's reasonable to speculate, since you seem to have joined this forum for the express purpose of responding to four year old comments about Grant, that you might actually be Grant or Grant's friend.

 

The advantage that this forum has over review postings on Yelp or one of the massage sites is that we start to develop some background on the frequent posters. We can gain insights into the potential credibility of a forum member. Over time we can come to trust the comments a member makes. Other times we develop mistrust for long-time whiners or clearly vindictive personalities. We'll come to trust your comments more as you participate in the forum and show interests beyond Grant.

[hotmuscCUBLA]

I gotcha

 

I actually have hired escorts before, from reading reviews here, and happened upon the thread about him. and just posting my thoughts. I have written reviews, but only on the sites they appear. I thought I would pop in and offer my opinions coming from a view point as a therapist, who had a good session with another. I just had a good experience.

 

M4M and masseurfinder all track IP addresses and MAC addresses, a MAC address is the address specific to a computer. so therapists themselves cannot write their own reviews. Not sure if you knew that or not..

 

even if someone has been on here a long time, it does not prove they had a booked appointment...

[Nvr2Thick]

even if someone has been on here a long time, it does not prove they had a booked appointment...

 

We can gain insights into the potential credibility of a forum member. Over time we can come to trust the comments a member makes. Other times we develop mistrust for long-time whiners or clearly vindictive personalities. We'll come to trust your comments more as you participate in the forum and show interests beyond Grant.

 

That's why I've chosen the words "potential credibility" and "come to trust". Nothing is definitive, of course. We can also come to trust a masseur or escort if he is good at disguising false review or soliciting reviews from fans.

 

M4M and masseurfinder all track IP addresses and MAC addresses, a MAC address is the address specific to a computer. so therapists themselves cannot write their own reviews. Not sure if you knew that or not...

 

There are a dozen ways around this limitation, but let's just agree that therapists cannot write their own reviews from their own computers. A therapist may have a smartphone, a friend with a computer, or access to a public library.

[hotmuscCUBLA]

public libraries block all adult sites. even coffee bean does .. it is much much easier on this site.. no tracking. no identities .. at all.. just sign up and boom review..

 

It would take a lot of friends to put up what some masseurs have. One has about 185 reviews. I have about 46 friends on FB.. lol..

 

cell phones would still be attached to the IP, and I don't even think they will allow reviews from cell phones, even smart phones have a MAC address

 

all messages, client accounts, everything on M4m and masseurfinder that a client sends through, emails etc are traced and stored in their systems.

 

so bottom line.. much easier to leave reviews here, and again, absolutely no proof of a booked appointment.

 

but yes. a therapist could go to 185 friends' homes and write reviews.. so i guess ignore all the reviews on M4m, as well as masseurfinder everyone. they are all fake .. LOL.. only trust the reviews here..

 

FYI you can tell at least on M4M how many people have a history of leaving reviews.. but youd be suprised at how many people would rather leave a negative review from a bad experience, than a good one from a good experience..

 

 

This is why some people write negative reviews

• 1) Your success reminds them of their failure: In the Solid Self confidence program i said that most people don't like anybody to become more successful than them. Even though good people still get that feeling still they don't let it control them. Unstable ones on the other hand let that feeling take over them and they might give you negative reviews just to prevent you from succeeding. (see also Why success will make you enemies)
  
• 2) Feeling worthless: People who are in your same industry and who aren't doing as well as you might feel worthless when they see you making it to the top and so they might give you negative reviews, and even believe in them, just to protect their self esteem
  
• 3) Jealousy of your success: I have witnessed many cases where people who didn't try a product gave it a negative review just because they were too jealous of the person selling it. By the way a negative comment or harsh face to face criticism is also considered one type of negative reviews
  
• 4) Because you are happy with it: Mean people feel bad when they see someone feeling happy or proud. This is why people who are proud with their products the most get the most negative reviews
  
• 5) To feel important or in control: So many people who don't have enough self esteem try to control others in order to feel good about themselves. By controlling the result somewhere else they can feel in control of their lives even if that feeling lasts for few minutes
  

that is coming from a psychology website

 

so if you dont realize that actually happens

Edited May 15, 2016 by hotmuscCUBLA

[+ Gar1eth]

"In a recent court ruling, a Virginia cleaning business successfully sued Yelp, forcing them to provide the identity of reviewers who had provided disparaging remarks. The business owner had requested the names of the reviewers to determine if they were real customers. The court ruled that the reviewers were not protected by freedom of speech laws if it could be proven that they were not customers of the business. This is a potentially significant case for review sites, and one that could protect companies from false claims made by competitors or others seeking revenge."

 

 

 

my point is.. who knows if the original post is by a real client, an ex who felt jilted, or a jealous person.. or a bad client.. who was drunk etc..

 

there are clients out there who really should be in therapy, rather than seeing a massage therapist. and trolling sites

 

maybe I did not go about saying what I meant to say in the right way, but come clients think they can just come into a person's home and act like a "douche bag. "

 

and taking a job on does not mean therapists should act like a doormat for other's problems

 

Hopefully my long involvement on the Forum as well as my generally non-confrontational demeanor will serve me in good stead here. I wrote the following about Grant a while back in this thread.

 

He used to escort under the name Jack Lyons, and he had very good reviews for years. I met him for a weekend once probably 5 years ago. I won't say it was my best experience, but it definitely wasn't my worst. He has a bit of an odd personality- but I probably do too. When I met him he looked pretty much then like the pictures he shows now. He is an incredibly handsome guy.

 

Gman

 

From having spent a weekend with Jack/Grant, I can readily believe he runs hot and cold on clients. He also seemed to be extremely odor sensitive which may impact his skills. In any case while I had a good time with him, Grant is not in the top echelon sphere of escorts like @Mikegaite, @Tygerscent (Tyger from Portland), @andrewjustice, @raulgmanzo, or the soon to be departed @Alec Andrews. These escorts seem to be able to see a wide variety of clients. Jack/Grant has a more quirky personality. I could readily see him not interacting well with some clients based on their body type.

 

Gman

Edited September 4, 2016 by Gar1eth

[Nvr2Thick]

public libraries block all adult sites. even coffee bean does .. it is much much easier on this site.. no tracking. no identities .. at all.. just sign up and boom review..

 

It would take a lot of friends to put up what some masseurs have. One has about 185 reviews. I have about 46 friends on FB.. lol..

 

cell phones would still be attached to the IP, and I don't even think they will allow reviews from cell phones, even smart phones have a MAC address

 

all messages, client accounts, everything on M4m and masseurfinder that a client sends through, emails etc are traced and stored in their systems.

 

so bottom line.. much easier to leave reviews here, and again, absolutely no proof of a booked appointment.

 

but yes. a therapist could go to 185 friends' homes and write reviews.. so i guess ignore all the reviews on M4m, as well as masseurfinder everyone. they are all fake .. LOL.. only trust the reviews here..

 

FYI you can tell at least on M4M how many people have a history of leaving reviews.. but youd be suprised at how many people would rather leave a negative review from a bad experience, than a good one from a good experience..

 

 

This is why some people write negative reviews

• 1) Your success reminds them of their failure: In the Solid Self confidence program i said that most people don't like anybody to become more successful than them. Even though good people still get that feeling still they don't let it control them. Unstable ones on the other hand let that feeling take over them and they might give you negative reviews just to prevent you from succeeding. (see also Why success will make you enemies)
  
• 2) Feeling worthless: People who are in your same industry and who aren't doing as well as you might feel worthless when they see you making it to the top and so they might give you negative reviews, and even believe in them, just to protect their self esteem
  
• 3) Jealousy of your success: I have witnessed many cases where people who didn't try a product gave it a negative review just because they were too jealous of the person selling it. By the way a negative comment or harsh face to face criticism is also considered one type of negative reviews
  
• 4) Because you are happy with it: Mean people feel bad when they see someone feeling happy or proud. This is why people who are proud with their products the most get the most negative reviews
  
• 5) To feel important or in control: So many people who don't have enough self esteem try to control others in order to feel good about themselves. By controlling the result somewhere else they can feel in control of their lives even if that feeling lasts for few minutes
  

that is coming from a psychology website

 

so if you dont realize that actually happens

 

If you spent much time on this forum you'd know that we're all quite aware of clients who write vindictive negative reviews.

 

The masseur sites blocking reviews from a masseurs MAC and/or IP is meaningless. You can try to stack the deck with this 185 number, and stretch the truth about public Internet access and cell phones, but you're wrong. A masseur running Chrome on his phone via cellular data or public wifi will instantly bypass the MAC / IP limitation. I've been on questionable websites including the major masseur and escort sites from libraries and BestBuy computers often. Any smart person with Google can find his way around the MAC / IP limitation on his own system anyway. Positive reviews are at least as suspect as negative ones. I could easily create ten positive reviews and ten negative reviews for a masseur, whether I was or wasn't that masseur. Any masseur can easily submit his own reviews.

 

One phrase you should take away from your pop psychology post is "some people". You're making this your entire platform. Some people write negative reviews because they get poor service. The OP on this post is as suspect as you are. He created a profile, slammed Grant, and disappeared. Lohengrin and Gar1eth, on the other hand, have track records on this forum. While either one could have an axe to grind on negative reviews and comments or could be currying favor when they speak positively, at least we have some context around their statements.

 

It's becoming more and more clear that you have an agenda. You're in over your head, however, when it comes to rationalizing technology. There's no proof of a booked appointment on any review. The reviews on Daddy's are open for a reply, and the escort or masseur gets the last word. On the forum plenty of escorts and masseurs have come on board to provide direct rebuttal, or created a well or thinly disguised alias. On the masseur sites there are ways to delete bad reviews or switch profile names to disconnect from bad reviews to have them age out. It's no easier here or harder on the masseur sites to leave a bad review. The escorts and masseurs that don't like this site usually don't because they don't have control of content, since it's not associated with the ad they paid for.

[hotmuscCUBLA]

If you spent much time on this forum you'd know that we're all quite aware of clients who write vindictive negative reviews.

 

The masseur sites blocking reviews from a masseurs MAC and/or IP is meaningless. You can try to stack the deck with this 185 number, and stretch the truth about public Internet access and cell phones, but you're wrong. A masseur running Chrome on his phone via cellular data or public wifi will instantly bypass the MAC / IP limitation. I've been on questionable websites including the major masseur and escort sites from libraries and BestBuy computers often. Any smart person with Google can find his way around the MAC / IP limitation on his own system anyway. Positive reviews are at least as suspect as negative ones. I could easily create ten positive reviews and ten negative reviews for a masseur, whether I was or wasn't that masseur. Any masseur can easily submit his own reviews.

 

One phrase you should take away from your pop psychology post is "some people". You're making this your entire platform. Some people write negative reviews because they get poor service. The OP on this post is as suspect as you are. He created a profile, slammed Grant, and disappeared. Lohengrin and Gar1eth, on the other hand, have track records on this forum. While either one could have an axe to grind on negative reviews and comments or could be currying favor when they speak positively, at least we have some context around their statements.

 

It's becoming more and more clear that you have an agenda. You're in over your head, however, when it comes to rationalizing technology. There's no proof of a booked appointment on any review. The reviews on Daddy's are open for a reply, and the escort or masseur gets the last word. On the forum plenty of escorts and masseurs have come on board to provide direct rebuttal, or created a well or thinly disguised alias. On the masseur sites there are ways to delete bad reviews or switch profile names to disconnect from bad reviews to have them age out. It's no easier here or harder on the masseur sites to leave a bad review. The escorts and masseurs that don't like this site usually don't because they don't have control of content, since it's not associated with the ad they paid for.

 

 

it is interesting this person only left one review on one specific person? and he has over 65 reviews on masseurfinder. And it also seems interesting the therapists/masseurs cannot respond . In over my head? no need to go there.

[tchm]

... I am in great shape, but I am 3/4 Chinese. he was very friendly, and quiet. so not sure what you mean by "personality" which would be hard to gauge after 2 massage appointments...maybe he was in a relationship or dating someone

 

Glad you had a good experience. ... maybe the fact that you are " in great shape" had something to do with it. I, too, had a great first experience with him even if I don't consider myself in "great shape." He was friendly, loquacious and had a very "open personality " at first (why do you think I called again, twice? and would have been a multiple repeat customer ). But a cancellation and an unpleasant second session lost him this client. At the end of the day, that's what it was - a commercial transaction. I loved eating at Chipotle but when they served contaminated food, I wrote an unfavorable review and brought my business to Subway . I, as a consumer, am not interested if Chipotle is "dating" or "in a relationship." All I care about is getting as good a product/service as first advertised.

Edited May 17, 2016 by tchm

[hotmuscCUBLA]

"Subway said it is phasing out a chemical from its breads that is also found in yoga mats and shoe soles."

hey! enjoy your subway..

[TJR]

I visited Grant a few times this summer. I was in need of more of a therapeutic massage and Grant was excellent. I would recommend him in the future.

[+ dutchmuch]

TJR, welcome to The Spa!

 

Which Grant are you referring to?

 

https://www.massagem4m.com/search_advancedResults.cfm?keyword=grant&q=grant

[+ Gar1eth]

TJR, welcome to The Spa!

 

Which Grant are you referring to?

 

https://www.massagem4m.com/search_advancedResults.cfm?keyword=grant&q=grant

 

Dutch, this entire thread is about the masseur who used to escort under the name Jack Lyons. I don't know whether he has a current massage ad or not as he seems to come and go.

 

Gman

[Nvr2Thick]

This is the second person to create a profile and go to this four year old thread to say something positive about Grant, as his first activity on the forum.

[rvwnsd]

This is the second person to create a profile and go to this four year old thread to say something positive about Grant, as his first activity on the forum.

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Joey-Tribbiani-Shocked-Reaction-Friends.gif

[tennisjock]

Seems a bit suspicious to me. But maybe just me. The one going by grant now has had several names changes over the past few years here in LA. Massage was good. attitude was not ,..tried to repeat and then he tried to upsell a full play session for the next time...wasn't interested enough to try for the third time

Edited September 5, 2016 by tennisjock

[+ VeryHappyCustomer]

Is this the Grant people are discussing? My experiences with him were fine. Excellent massage skills. If anything, he was unexpectedly friendly. I sure was flattered. Maybe he also had an escort ad and got the appointments mixed up. If so, he must have thought I cheated him when I paid for a massage.

 

http://m2.masseurfinder.com/mf/t/w97crb.jpg

[+ Gar1eth]

Is this the Grant people are discussing? My experiences with him were fine. Excellent massage skills. If anything, he was unexpectedly friendly. I sure was flattered. Maybe he also had an escort ad and got the appointments mixed up. If so, he must have thought I cheated him when I paid for a massage.

 

http://m2.masseurfinder.com/mf/t/w97crb.jpg

 

That's him all right. Gosh it must be nice to be so handsome.

 

Gman

[TJR]

Thanks Dutch.

 

To the skeptics, all of this negativity around someone who I thought was a good masseur didn't sit well with me, so I opened an account and decided to hit this thread first.

[+ Gar1eth]

Thanks Dutch.

 

To the skeptics, all of this negativity around someone who I thought was a good masseur didn't sit well with me, so I opened an account and decided to hit this thread first.

 

From having met him, I'm sure technically he's great. But from personal knowledge and from what people have said, my feeling is that Grant doesn't do well with people he is isn't attracted to.

 

Gman