Cum: When is it safe to swallow --how long does the HI...

[+ Lucky]

no:-(

[jack]

I know this has been discussed before. I understand the HIV virus doesn't last long out in the open -- once out of the body. I simply have a growing desire to suck on this guys spent cock which will have his cum on and around it. I've been seeing him for a couple months and for me it would be enriching to suck on his cock after he has cum.

 

I did have a super neat escort last year who would kiss me with my own cum. That was very loving and romantic for me and a profound generosity by him. Plus, I've had guys suck me off in video peep shows, then spit out the cum.

 

I'd like to suck this guys spent cock and, probably, would follow up with a slow deep kiss with his cum from my mouth. Is it a go, or no. :*

[trilingual]

Actually, there was just a recent report of a study (I believe from UCSF) that followed several hundred men who only do oral sex. All were negative and none of them converted to positive. The conclusion is that the risk of HIV infection via oral sex is vanishingly small.

 

Of course, you have to take into consideration your own comfort zone. If you don't feel you want to take a risk, don't. But there's no good evidence that HIV infection can be transmitted orally, barring bleeding cuts or sores in the mouth at the time of contact. (I'm not sure there's even any evidence that there's a danger in the case of oral bleeding; it's more of a common sense precaution.)

 

Also, saliva apparently has some anti-HIV properties, and gastric acids would do away with HIV on contact.

 

CAVEAT COCKSUCKERS: Just because HIV doesn't seem to be transmitted orally doesn't mean that other diseases can't be. You can definitely get gonorrhea or syphilis or herpes through oral sex, and there's been a documented upswing of those diseases among gay men. If you're sexually active, get checked for gonorrhea and syphilis regularly by your doctor or local STD clinic. If you engage in oral sex and something seems to be going on there, get your throat swabbed and a culture made. The standard blood test won't detect oral gonorrhea, and doctors/clinic workers won't necessarily think about it unless you bring it up.

[KY_TOP]

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Thanks Tri,

This is actually one of the most educated answers I've scene posted on this subject.

[ServeUncutUncle]

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It appears that Sucking dick is less dangerous than Mobile Phones on Freeways. Already more American have died in 2002 in Mobile Phone related Traffic Accidents than in The WTC Twin Towers disaster. But then Any country that mandates Security Locks on Asprins but not on Guns needs to sort out its prorities.

 

MAKE LOVE ... NOT WAR:+

[+ Charlie]

Since you know this has been discussed before, and you seem to basically know the answer already, I doubt that this is a genuine question. Instead, you seem to be asking for encouragement to do something you are somewhat afraid to do. I used to work on an AIDS hotline, and we learned to recognize certain people who would call again and again with the same question (there was a guy we called "the hangnail man", who called at least once a week to ask whether it was safe to finger-fuck a prostitute). You have an internal conflict here that you need to resolve, and simply asking for information will not do it.

 

Nevertheless, the information here is accurate and probably can't be repeated too often, so the thread may have good effects on someone else.

[+ Cock Eyed Optimist]

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Charlie,

 

Your reply was very perceptive and helpful....something I wouldn't have thought of. You are correct, many of us need the same question rehashed just as a means to put a new light on the issue. Thanks!

 

;-)

[Jeff]

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I think it's a good point that people who ask often are looking for an answer to validate their wish, not necessarily the right answer. While I don't doubt the study that was referenced, the reality is you never know, especially if you swallow. You could have a scratch in your throat or back of your mouth you were unaware of, etc. I have a close friend who over and over told me there is no risk, I'm paranoid, it's proven, there are studies, etc. etc.... and he ended up swallowing the cum of an HIV+ boyfriend (sad and stupid, he now admits), and he is now HIV+. They never had unprotected intercourse, and he wasn't doing the same with anyone else. Was he one in a million? Maybe. But in retrospect, he certainly doesn't think now that it was worth it; for him whether he was one out of a million, or one out of one, it doesn't make a difference. And it's sad, he's a great guy, and this year has been particularly tough on him.

[Guest Merlin]

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Perhaps it true that gastric juices destroy the HIV virus. But remember, many diseases are primarily transmitted through oral ingestion, such as e-coli, botulism, undulant fever, typhus, thyphoid, and many others. These do not have the same need to get to the blood stream that HIV does, but it is difficult to see why all these survive the gastric juices, but HIV is said not to.

[guyinsf]

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The only problem with making inferences from anecdotal reports like this is that (a) it presumes that the man would be honest if he did engage in other behaviors which might have put him at risk for HIV infection and (b) it presumes that he, in fact, did not get infected in another way that is "safer" but not "safe."

 

While there is certainly a group of gay men who are upfront about having unprotected anal sex, I think that many guys who almost always use condoms but have a slip from safe sex are reluctant to be honest about it due to any number of reasons, including shame, guilt, fear of negative reactions from their friends, denial, and more. I also don't know anyone who sucks dick but does absolutely nothing else that could lead to infection. A failed condom during anal sex? How about fingering someone or being fingered? This is unlikey to cause an infection but it cannot be ruled out, particularly if there are any cuts involved and/or precum or cum is present. Sharing toys? Etc, etc.

 

I'm not saying that cocksucking is definitely 100% safe, but the data (not only from the recent study but also from the spread of the virus through the gay community in the U.S.) indicates it poses an extremely low or no risk. Aside from abstinence, nothing is guaranteed. We all need to assess what we are comfortable with and act accordingly.

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

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Although the HIV virus is very deadly once it enters your bloodstream, outside of this, it is actually a very delicate virus and is easily killed.

[Guest Love Bubble Butt]

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I agree with just about everything said here. Many guys who become infected often times feel ashamed that they have acquired a virus that most now consider to be preventable. I think some guys who do slip up on their safe sex practices and get infected will sometimes "angelize" how they got it so that they can appear in a more sympathetic light. And I understand (not to be confused with condoning) why they do this considering how much discrimination and hostility HIV+ gay men experience from other gay men. And they're human, they're upset and scared.

 

On the subject of swallowing, it is really amazing all of the contradictory information that is still out there after all these years. But overtime and after a lot of reading, it is *my* understanding that the issue isn't swallowing as much as it is allowing them to cum in your mouth in the first place. Although not absolute, allowing someone to cum in your mouth is what puts you at the most risk. At this point, swallowing is not as much the issue since stomach acids will kill the virus. Again, this is just my understanding and I'm sure it contradicts what many others believe or have read.

 

All you can do is ask, read, and study as much as possible and make an informed decision for yourself as to what risks you are willing to take. Nothing is guaranteed.