You're fat and you're ugly and...

[gcursor]

So this evening on Twitter, there were a lot of negative comments being tossed around about fat people. I know that fat people are the bane of everybody's existence but making disparaging remarks (Seriously, you can't fit in THAT car!) just shouldn't be right at all. As gays/bisexuals/transgender, don't we get hated enough?

 

One guy was telling me that he doesn't hate fat people because they're not beautiful or not perfect but purely because of the health reasons. He said that he didn't like seeing this "fat person" on tv because they were promoting fat people who were happy with how they look.

 

Whatever way you would like to slice it, discrimination is discrimination. We can't all be young bronzed muscle gods with huge d**ks, can we? This starts to get into a slippery slope. Soon we'll say that people who don't have blonde hair are bad and so on and so forth.

 

What does everybody else think?

[Lookin]

What does everybody else think?

I think it's almost always about the person who's making the disparaging remarks. The comment may be directed to another person, but I think the guy who's making it is really just letting the world know he doesn't think very much of himself. His way of feeling better about himself - and hopefully convincing others - is to badmouth somebody else. I did it when I was in grade school, so I know how it works. But eventually we get a little smarter and more self-confident and stop doing it.

 

When's the last time you heard a person you respect and admire take a cheap shot at somebody else?

 

Best thing to do, in my opinion, is to stop hanging out with mean-spirited folks. They're a buzzkill.

 

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[josephga]

doesn't bother me if someone likes being overweight. I saw a show once where someone gave this plus model a hard time. if she was happy at that size so be it.

I've been in the position at times of being over weight as well as under weight. and the same people had something smart too say..

 

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[jjkrkwood]

Unfortunately, as long as there will be Mankind, there will also be prejudice. Nothing you're gonna do about it. As long as you know your OWN heart, and live by your own convictions

you'll be OK... We can debate whats right and whats wrong till eternity, people will feel what they feel. I have given up trying to change anyones mind on anything, or even trying to educate a person who's stuck in their own mindset. Its futile.... Their views will stand to prove the type of person THEY are. Thats judgement enough !

[EZEtoGRU]

I think it's almost always about the person who's making the disparaging remarks. The comment may be directed to another person, but I think the guy who's making it is really just letting the world know he doesn't think very much of himself. His way of feeling better about himself - and hopefully convincing others - is to badmouth somebody else.

 

Truer words never spoken. People who continue to throw out insults and call people names and get agressive are ultimately very unhappy with themselves and their lives. One has even posted in this very thread. I guess we need to give them a break sometime. Hard for me to do however. That takes a Mother Teresa.

[RockHard]

Me no fuck the Rosie O'Donnell types.

 

I feel kind of sorry for the fat queens at my gym. Many have been members for years but I never see them on the gym floor. They're always in the shower area, cruising the young muscle queens. And the young muscle queens want nothing to do with the fatties so I don't get their choices.

 

The fatties tend to be aggressive, too. If they walk in on someone having a private moment, they sit their ass down waiting for the action to start up again. It never does but it seems they enjoy breaking up someone's good time. (If I can't have sex, then I won't make it easy for you, kinda thing.)

 

If I walk in on two guys or a group scene in the sauna, I turn around and leave. If I wasn't there when the action started, there's no way I'm going to assume that anyone wants me to join in on their fun. It seems the fatties are so desperate for sex, they never take the hint or the high road, regardless how polite it may be.

 

I have plenty of overweight family and friends, and I love some of them dearly. But when it comes to sex, I can't get turned on by a guy who is 100 pounds overweight, especially if his blubber just hangs and jiggles.

 

I have had great sex with some men who were overweight, maybe by 40-50 pounds or so. There are a few guys who make a moderate pot belly and a football player's ass look sexy.

 

I once fucked a Midwest EMS worker, who would have been a Colt adonis had he dropped about 50 pounds. The guy was so masculine and oozed sensuality, he completely rocked my world and turned my tall ass upside down. I guess it was a plus that he had such a handsome face. Chemistry and mutual attraction can be very forgiving. But if it ain't there, there's no forcing it. Fatties would definitely get more sex if they dropped the excess.

[gcursor]

clarify

 

That's fine RockHard but there was nothing in my original post about having sex with a fat person. But I'm just trying to say why do we have to make disparaging remarks about fat people and why can't they be made to somebody's face instead of behind their back?

 

But I guess some other people in the thread have mentioned the reason why.

 

Gcursor

 

I feel kind of sorry for the fat queens at my gym. Many have been members for years but I never see them on the gym floor. They're always in the shower area, cruising the young muscle queens. And the young muscle queens want nothing to do with the fatties so I don't get their choices.

 

The fatties tend to be aggressive, too. If they walk in on someone having a private moment, they sit their ass down waiting for the action to start up again. It never does but it seems they enjoy breaking up someone's good time. (If I can't have sex, then I won't make it easy for you, kinda thing.)

 

If I walk in on two guys or a group scene in the sauna, I turn around and leave. If I wasn't there when the action started, there's no way I'm going to assume that anyone wants me to join in on their fun. It seems the fatties are so desperate for sex, they never take the hint or the high road, regardless how polite it may be.

 

I have plenty of overweight family and friends, and I love some of them dearly. But when it comes to sex, I can't get turned on by a guy who is 100 pounds overweight, especially if his blubber just hangs and jiggles.

 

I have had great sex with some men who were overweight, maybe by 40-50 pounds or so. There are a few guys who make a moderate pot belly and a football player's ass look sexy.

 

I once fucked a Midwest EMS worker, who would have been a Colt adonis had he dropped about 50 pounds. The guy was so masculine and oozed sensuality, he completely rocked my world and turned my tall ass upside down. I guess it was a plus that he had such a handsome face. Chemistry and mutual attraction can be very forgiving. But if it ain't there, there's no forcing it. Fatties would definitely get more sex if they dropped the excess.

[jjkrkwood]

Truer words never spoken. People who continue to throw out insults and call people names and get agressive are ultimately very unhappy with themselves and their lives. One has even posted in this very thread. I guess we need to give them a break sometime. Hard for me to do however. That takes a Mother Teresa.

 

Yup, thats me, and my insults are targetted at YOU, because you most aptly DESERVE being insulted. You picked your battle with me, now LIVE with it. Ill take this private, but you most loudly protested that. You are good at slingin the hash, but very weak about taking it back. Grow some Balls....you know, those things that MEN have...

[EZEtoGRU]

Well at least you didn't call me a name. Seems you learned at least something from Lookin' and my contributions to this thread. Let's see if you can keep it up for the next 10 minutes.

[jjkrkwood]

Well at least you didn't call me a name. Seems you learned at least something from Lookin' and my contributions to this thread. Let's see if you can keep it up for the next 10 minutes.

 

I can keep it up FOREVER, you should know at least that by now Bobo.... BTW, your burgers are in the mail.... have someone taste test them for you. Maybe a masculine str8 boy ? ROFL.....

[EZEtoGRU]

Good student. No name calling from now till forever. We'll be watching..........

[jjkrkwood]

Good student. No name calling from now till forever. We'll be watching..........

 

Not until I come up with some new insulting names just for You. That shoudlnt take too long, you are too easy bobo.... "I'll be Back".....

 

But I tread lightly since I know you are extremely attracted to masculine, str8 men, and name calling is a sign of aggressive masculinity, you may just want to HIRE me. I can say "bend over faggot" like the best of them....

[EZEtoGRU]

No chance of hiring you dear. You're not man enough for me. Time for you to go to bed and dream of tea parties and finger sandwiches.

[Lookin]

I can say "bend over faggot" like the best of them....

Do tell.!!. .http://developer.yahoo.com/messenger/guide/images/BattingEyelashes-Large.png

[jjkrkwood]

No chance of hiring you dear. You're not man enough for me. Time for you to go to bed and dream of tea parties and finger sandwiches.

 

Thats you PRINCESS. You wouldnt know a REAL man if he bit you in the ass, regardless what your bank withdrawals say from the money you've spent on your sick Fantasy....

[bigvalboy]

Good God Rockhard...do you always spew such hatred. Your fat friends and family must love you.

[TruthBTold]

Bye guys

 

I have started to take bets with myself of exactly how many replies I will be able to get thru before I have to click on to another thread because of the adolescent behavior of the one I am reading. Guess what this number was?

[bigvalboy]

I'm guessing 7....hope you read mine before you leave the building.

[Lohengrin1979]

I feel kind of sorry for the fat queens at my gym. Many have been members for years but I never see them on the gym floor. They're always in the shower area, cruising the young muscle queens. And the young muscle queens want nothing to do with the fatties so I don't get their choices.

 

The fatties tend to be aggressive, too. If they walk in on someone having a private moment, they sit their ass down waiting for the action to start up again. It never does but it seems they enjoy breaking up someone's good time. (If I can't have sex, then I won't make it easy for you, kinda thing.)

 

If I walk in on two guys or a group scene in the sauna, I turn around and leave. If I wasn't there when the action started, there's no way I'm going to assume that anyone wants me to join in on their fun. It seems the fatties are so desperate for sex, they never take the hint or the high road, regardless how polite it may be.

 

I have plenty of overweight family and friends, and I love some of them dearly. But when it comes to sex, I can't get turned on by a guy who is 100 pounds overweight, especially if his blubber just hangs and jiggles.

 

I have had great sex with some men who were overweight, maybe by 40-50 pounds or so. There are a few guys who make a moderate pot belly and a football player's ass look sexy.

 

I once fucked a Midwest EMS worker, who would have been a Colt adonis had he dropped about 50 pounds. The guy was so masculine and oozed sensuality, he completely rocked my world and turned my tall ass upside down. I guess it was a plus that he had such a handsome face. Chemistry and mutual attraction can be very forgiving. But if it ain't there, there's no forcing it. Fatties would definitely get more sex if they dropped the excess.

 

Your post has nothing to do with answering GCursor's questions, Rockhard, but it does speak to exactly what he is talking about. You assume a lot about the "fatties" in your gym and it's obvious from your tone that you consider them sub-citizens. You project attitudes and habits on them that may or may not be true all under the umbrella of them being "fatties" so they must be desperate, agressive trolls. On top of that, you even serve up the tired line of "Some of my best friends are fat." That little tune legitimizes you no more than the Congressman claiming to have gay friends while voting to uphold DOMA.

 

I will add that I agree with the replies here that ANYONE who must discriminate against others due to appearance really has a problem within themselves. Perhaps they have a fear of being overweight themselves or tie too much of their self worth in their good looks. Beauty never lasts but humanity will never realize that in my lifetime.

 

Regards,

Lohengrin1979

[bigvalboy]

Lohengrin as usual, is being very diplomatic, because he is a nice guy. I on the other hand like the direct approach, I think you to be a pathetic, digusting and a hateful human being.

[jjkrkwood]

Lohengrin as usual, is being very diplomatic, because he is a nice guy. I on the other hand like the direct approach, I think you to be a pathetic, digusting and a hateful human being.

 

Here. Here BVB......sing it out ! Seems to be several of "those" trolling around these here parts ?

Note to TBT above: its Not necessary to ANNOUNCE your leaving. Next time, just go....its OK...we wont be mad. Oh, and make sure the door closes tightly behind you. We wouldnt want any unsavory chararcters getting IN....

[MiamiLooker]

"You're fat and you're ugly"

Maybe it's not always a good idea to get a second opinion.

[gcursor]

Funny

 

hahahaha....this was funny MiamiLooker. Thanks for the laugh

 

"You're fat and you're ugly"

Maybe it's not always a good idea to get a second opinion.

[RockHard]

You can lead a horse to water...

 

but there was nothing in my original post about having sex with a fat person

 

So now there are restrictions on what we can say, how we respond to a subject? You put the words fat and ugly in a thread title on an escort board and the concept of sex with a fat and ugly guy should be thrown out the window? Please.

 

I'm just trying to say why do we have to make disparaging remarks about fat people

 

Maybe for the same reason it's now OK to say disparaging remarks about cigarette smokers. They both cost the health care system boat loads of money. And those of us who actually pay insurance premiums have to pay the increased costs of caring for controllable diseases, diseases that the patient can control. Nobody needs to smoke. Nobody needs to be fat.

 

Now, just because you're fat and you pay your insurance premium doesn't mean it's OK to stay fat. Given the easy access to reading materials these days, it's NO SECRET, being obese will kill you. Being obese means you eat too much or you're eating the wrong things, and you're probably not getting enough exercise. The serious rise in diabetes alone is very scary. People are having their limbs cut off because they refuse to give up ice cream. Am I the only one who thinks this is crazy insane?

 

Personally, I don't shame people into doing anything. But I tell all the fatties and smokers I love that I wish to help them get those issues under control. The only thing I can offer is support.

 

I'm also not condoning public disparagement, that is, rude comments in your face, to your face. But people will always look at the super fat with expressions of sadness and shame.

 

Rational thinkers (and the medical field) know that over-eating is a coping mechanism. It's easy to buy food and eat it to make you feel better. Eating is the easiest way for people who are unhappy to feel slightly less unhappy. But then the vicious cycle kicks in and before you know it, you're 100-200 pounds overweight, and miserable.

 

Some think shame and embarrassment are motivators. I say use whatever tool you can to convince people to change for the better.

 

do you always spew such hatred

 

Hatred? Please, big valley girl. What you see as hatred I know is tough love. I'm a successful businessman so I know how to fire good people who weren't up to the job. Sometimes in life it's necessary to be tough and compassionate at the same time. It's never easy.

 

Before you call a stranger names, someone you really don't know, think first. You have no idea what fat and ugly mean to me and the role they have played in my life. The only thing I see spewed is a bunch of denial and stupidity. Oh well, welcome to the internet. Welcome to life.

 

You assume a lot about the "fatties" in your gym

 

Not a lot. But since I don't know any of these men, I am making assumptions based on public behavior.

 

it's obvious from your tone that you consider them sub-citizens

 

My tone is not the same as your interpretation of it. I don't think it's fair or correct to state your interpretations of my tone as "obvious" fact.

 

You project attitudes and habits on them that may or may not be true

 

Just like on this board? Just as you interpreted my tone? Sweetie, that's human nature. Deal with it. One thing I do know, gay porn does not make its money off of filming sex with fat men. I get that it may be a fetish for some but that market segment is very small. There just aren't that many gay men who love having sex with fatties. It's a fact, deal with it.

 

so they must be desperate, agressive trolls

 

I didn't use the term troll. You did. Who is projecting now? And the intrusive behavior I saw on display appeared desperate and aggressive. I call it as I see it.

 

Beauty never lasts

 

Some gay men certainly see this as a beauty issue. I work with very handsome models, men that are far more beautiful than any escort I've ever met, so I know beauty is only skin deep, and fleeting. I see obesity as a health issue. Fat people beg the question, "How do you feel about your health?" in the same way cigarette smokers standing in huddles in front of their offices do. If you view life as precious, then why are you so aggressively facilitating your death, especially given the health facts that are so readily available to you? If you don't see life as precious, then why on earth would I want anything to do with you?

[jjkrkwood]

PLEASE, let me make this PERFECTLY clear. Rockhard is not another screen name that I use. I can see where you might find his comments and demeanor VERY silimar to mine, however we are 2 different people, and each of us speaks for ourselves. Please No hate mail to me... Tthe ONLY comment I posted as a reply to the OP question was on page 1. Also do not interpret THIS post as an endorsement of Rockhards comments. I remain neutral on those and believe he is entitlted to speak HIS own piece, whatever its reception is. .