Is the fly in overnight a disappearing thing?

[Michael Wayne]

I find that an unfortunate byproduct of our touring is that fewer and fewer clients are flying escorts in for overnights. I really enjoy that aspect of my job so that is why I am posting. Every fellow escort I have talked shop with lately agrees with this. It seems that in the client's mind that if we are going to travel on our own dime to the area they live in and get a hotel then there is no reason for them to fly us in. If I were a client this is how I would think. It makes sense and in todays' economy it really makes sense. I am all for touring and I love touring but I do miss being flown in. How do yall as clients and escorts feel about this? All comments are encouraged. Sorry for not posting for a while now but I have been traveling and touring which is why i guess this thread came to me. http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[gcursor]

Still doing it

 

I flew in the people I saw last year and I am doing that this year as well.

 

gc

 

I find that an unfortunate byproduct of our touring is that fewer and fewer clients are flying escorts in for overnights. I really enjoy that aspect of my job so that is why I am posting. Every fellow escort I have talked shop with lately agrees with this. It seems that in the client's mind that if we are going to travel on our own dime to the area they live in and get a hotel then there is no reason for them to fly us in. If I were a client this is how I would think. It makes sense and in todays' economy it really makes sense. I am all for touring and I love touring but I do miss being flown in. How do yall as clients and escorts feel about this? All comments are encouraged. Sorry for not posting for a while now but I have been traveling and touring which is why i guess this thread came to me. http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[Michael Wayne]

glad to hear that. I hope you had good times.

[ted]

I'm flying guys in a lot less. Air fares are increasing faster than my income. I fly one guy in on a semi-regular basis. Often, I flew a guy in and he ended up staying a lot longer and seeing other clients. Since I paid their airfare both ways, it seemed to me I was being taken advantage off; if it only happened once, and maybe just one extra night, thats okay because obviously if they don't stay over I'm springing for it anyway. However, it became the norm to stay an extra week in many cases. The guy I still do it for, if he stays over, he picks up half the air and we're both happy.

[+ sam.fitzpatrick]

A couple of months ago I flew in my first guy, but it was for a weekend rather than an overnight.

[gcursor]

Thawing out

 

I just can't do a weekend for some reason. I mean I have trouble figuring out what we'll do with an overnight and I don't know WHAT we would do for a weekend. I guess we could play checkers, watch tv, maybe thaw out the freezer, sort some clothing drawers or something like that...

 

but in all seriousness, what are weekends like?

 

gc

 

A couple of months ago I flew in my first guy, but it was for a weekend rather than an overnight.

[instudiocity]

Just what is the AIRPORT designator for your vending machine?

I flew in the people I saw last year and I am doing that this year as well. gc

[rocky]

Hi, well my two cents probably won't count but here I go. I too would bring young men up from Florida to where I'm at at upstate NY where getting some nice companionship is difficult at best; but the cost for a weekend and flight, well I did look locally for some fun. We can't do anything about the airlines and it gets worse as you try to schedule between when

your escort can arrive and your work schedule. And as I mentioned you look more locally even though there's fun elsewhere.

[instudiocity]

Hi, well my two cents probably won't count but here I go. I too would bring young men up from Florida to where I'm at at upstate NY where getting some nice companionship is difficult at best ... as I mentioned you look more locally even though there's fun elsewhere.

Considering the escort pool in Manhattan one wonders why you're flying in Floridian talent... Can't you pay 'travel' or rent a car or something?

[KMEM]

Just what is the AIRPORT designator for your vending machine?

 

LOL.

 

KOIN?

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[instudiocity]

LOL.KOIN?

Then mine would be KONQ, KOiNk!

[bcohen7719]

If you really like someone who is from out-of-town, and see him for extended periods of time, it would only make sense to make sure his travel was defrayed or paid for

entirely.

 

The cost of travel becomes a small part of the over-all cost. It is also, from other points of view, something that is probably very appreciated and the right thing to do.

 

BC

[adriano46]

I used to often fly guys in -- usually for 2 or 3 days (*weekend), when I knew my work schedule was clear, no other commitments in the area, and when I could plan out a few days of great times; sometimes when I could take time off, for up to 6 days.

 

A decade ago I would do this more often: but that was when airfare and a week in an hotel was cheap enough to make it reasonable (including all meals, entertainment, tickets for events, and some shopping). A typical 5-6 day visit ran me about $2,000 including the fee for the escort (this was the end of the year 2000).

 

Boy how times have changed!!!!! $1,000 in most cases these days gets you a very "brief" overnight (since many escorts consider overnight to begin after 9:00 PM and ending by 6:00 AM -- and I prefer thinking an overnight is a good 12 hrs at least, so already it narrows the market of available guys).

 

I would only fly in guys I knew and who I know I could be comfortable around for more than 2 days, guys who were able to hold a conversation, who did not turn bitchy or cranky on me after 24 hrs, guys who were both attentive and sensitive to quiet time (meaning, they were comfortable just sitting and being together, not having to entertain them 24/7 with places to go, places to eat out at, places to see, etc...)

 

Bottom line -- I now do NOT fly guys in anymore: too expensive; and too costly for maintenance. I hire only locally, and only rarely now go for an all-nighter.

[Epigonos]

I have NEVER done overnights with guys I have not already met for an afternoon or evening. Thus I really only fly one escort in for overnights and extended periods of time. The idea of flying in an unknown for an overnight has never entered my mind.

[hunkymuscles]

I haven't been flown in by a client in a while now. I do miss doing that..hint, hint, hint

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[Michael Wayne]

I think adrianos' comments are very accurate. It seems the only fly ins left are to very rural areas far away from major cities......BUT.... I wish to redirect the thread toward TOURING. It is my feeling that it is more the touring than the economy or high air fares. I mean if I am going to Be in DC this spring then why would anyone in DC fly me in unless they want exclusivity or the timing of my visit did not fit their schedule. Are we as escorts hurting ourselves financially by touring? As to the point about flying in and staying on the clients' dime. I have never done that and I find that unprofessional although I can see where it would be tempting. Have a good weekend everyone and if yall are looking for a great getaway we have the FRENCH QUARTER FESTIVAL next weekend in New Orleans! Come on down.....

[JT Brooklyn]

It really doesn't make alot of sense "Financially" to Fly in any "Working Guy" IF you live in a Big City/Big Market!

 

The Airlines and DELAYS I'm sure can make this "Deal" not worth the effort alot of the Times. Sometimes it is probably better for the Client to Travel!

[geoffk]

flying in a guy from fla later this month, yes there are alot of guys in NYC, but i have met this guy and like spending time with him, so its worth flying him in, and keeping him in a manhattan hotel for 2 nights, staying manhattan gives him something to do when i cant be with him the whole time.

 

I think the tour is good for getting to know someone. Perhaps if you meet him on a tour and get to know him and like him you may want to be with him more often, so you will want to fly him in for your personal enjoyment another time.

 

geoffk.

[+ overeasy]

Because of the rural nature of my neck of the woods, and a lack of local talent, I usually fly gents in for occassional overnights and occassional weekends...when the wallet allows. These visits have, unfortunately, gotten more and more costly. I have also found that may times, I am faced with the "all day", 24-hour rate rather than an overnight rate...Although I have found that to be easing recently.

[Bart]

First overnight/weekends was my preferred method for meeting gentlemen for the past 6 years, the first being Michael Brandon. I have in general, enjoyed meeting the men, spending time, connecting and showing off my city. I can go down to Chicago but can be hassle at times, but only 1-1/2 away. This seemed like a good alternative. Even with touring gentlemen that I got to know they would fly into Chicago and then come up and see me for a couple of nights, the cost of airfare is the smallest piece of the pie for my cost. I have even paid the cost of the flight to Chicago and their transportation here which is not that much.

 

In the past 6 mos I have begun winding down these types of hires. Not so much the cost of travel but rates for the weekends, have been going up and these are my preferred time frames. Now I don’t hire on weekends but two nights during the week, Mon-Fri. The only qualifier is that my meetings are daytime, I leave before 7 PM and arrive back after 8 AM the next day, so they usually have 12-15 hours on their own and no client in their bed unless they wish to have their shingle out.

 

When I started hiring for these two night (although day would be better suited) most gentlemen were charging $700-900 overnight and "weekends" were $1,200-1,600. I had a couple of regular hires who kept things in that range. Those have gone by the board for various reasons in the last 16 mos. So many gentlemen charge $2000+, many $2500-$3500 even for non-NY. I realize the argument that they are there for me whether I am there or not is very valid. I don’t negotiate the rate, they simply give it to me and I accept or decline.

 

So over the past two years the quality of these meetings has declined while rates are going up. I have had 4 meetings where the gentlemen have missed their flights. These are not 8 AM flights but late morning early afternoon. They still expect their full rate even though they are up to 4 hours late and all I can do is say you are on your own until the next day because it is past my departure. They come in here agreeing the time frame and rathe than 8:30 the agreed time, they state times of 10,11 or noon. If I stayed the night would they stop performing at 7 and start up again at 10. I would say all but one of the gentleman i would hire this way, I have seen a decline in the overall quality of the meeting.

 

So Mike to your question I don’t think there is any one answer. Fares even if they go up $100-200 is not the big ticket item here, the rate being charged and sorry for saying this but for the value of the $, I will go back to my old stand by of 3-4 hours which most guys charge under 800 or less and as a client I get a lot more attention. For most guys they don’t need another booking for that day and I find more attentive to me than even with the overnight or weekend. So my guess is lower your rate and you may get more business.

[down_to_business]

I can only speak for myself, but that many escorts are touring does not affect my decision to fly an escort in at all. My reasons for doing this less is similar to Bart- the increasing rate of air travel, the escalation of overnight rates and 24 hour rates, and the decreased reliability of the escort to show up. I understand completely that emergencies come up at the last minute, etc., but all it takes is that one person who cancels on you at the last minute (or doesn't even bother to cancel and just doesn't show up) and losing the airfare you put up, driving and waiting at the airport, etc and it makes you so gun shy you just don't want to ever take that risk again.

 

I also agree that if the overnight and weekend rates went back to what they were and people stopped overnight only cover 10PM to 6AM (or whatever), that these type of bookings would return.

[KMEM]

Then mine would be KONQ, KOiNk!

 

All US airports start with "K" whether the traveling public knows it or not. But, there can only be 3 more letters or numerals with a total of four max. So, while there is no ONQ in the US, there is an OIN and INK. The former being Oberlin, KS, no doubt a podunk of some sort and Wink, TX, likely ditto. Now, I have had a lot of fun being in podunk USA more than once but it was very likely for a limited amount of time. 1-2 hours comes to mind.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

 

Otherwise, I UNDERSTAND your post.

[gcursor]

it's BOB!

 

Okay...if we're gonna play....

 

I've ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS wanted to visit this place: BOB (airport code)

 

gc

 

All US airports start with "K" whether the traveling public knows it or not. But, there can only be 3 more letters or numerals with a total of four max. So, while there is no ONQ in the US, there is an OIN and INK. The former being Oberlin, KS, no doubt a podunk of some sort and Wink, TX, likely ditto. Now, I have had a lot of fun being in podunk USA more than once but it was very likely for a limited amount of time. 1-2 hours comes to mind.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

 

Otherwise, I UNDERSTAND your post.

[KMEM]

So, you want to go to Bora Bora, French Polynesia? I am sure they will welcome you as tourism is their chief means of support. Have fun.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[instudiocity]

All US airports start with "K" whether the traveling public knows it or not. But, there can only be 3 more letters or numerals with a total of four max.

Best regards,

KMEM

 

Otherwise, I UNDERSTAND your post.

Yeah, I know the Kxxx rule and was trying to be funny. I didn't use KONT because I've been there and CANT pretty well describes Ontario CA... So I went with KONQ and then tried to sound it out.