The (Expensive) New Crew

[handyandy]

>"I've found that high-priced escorts are often arrogant and

>demanding and more concerned with their own happiness."

>

>Oh, really. My experience has been exactly the opposite,

>most recently

>with Kristian from Houston. I agree that paying $400 an hour

>is too

>steep. But hiring escort is similar to most things in life,

>the best escorts charge the highest fees. Next time you are

>in Houston, check out Kristian!

 

HUH?

Are you saying that Kristian is a high-priced escort?

 

Unless he has increased his rate *very* recently, his hourly rate is $200, which is in the "reasonable" $150-200 range that BG was talking about. There are are no higher hourly rates listed among his reviews. (I take it that the $1000 rates listed on some reviews are for overnights, which seems obvious from the descriptions.) The high-priced guys are $300, $400 and more.

 

So how is your experience with Kristian the opposite of what you quoted BG as saying?

 

Kristian is indeed a very nice guy, not arrogant, not demanding, etc., but *also* not high-priced. He has not let his looks and his success go to his head like some others have.

[Guest Kalifornia]

RE: Law And Order - Special Vice Unit

 

>>Two pints of clarification. I have never stated where in

>>Southern California I am employed. Rod assumed it was the

 

>

>Mark, don't you break the law every time you hire an escort?

> Wouldn't it upset you if someone told you you were to soon

>pay the price? (BTW are you a bottom? You and I don't get

>along, but I think cops are hot, so angry sex might be just

>what this animosity needs).

 

LOL that was pretty funny Rod.

 

Now back to reality, I have never stated in this message center that I have hired an escort. I have chatte about what type of guy I am attracted to, about gay sex though I have never said I have or would hire an escort.

 

Mark -Kalifornia

[Rod Hagen]

RE: Law And Order - Special Vice Unit

 

>LOL that was pretty funny Rod.

>

>Now back to reality, I have never stated in this message

>center that I have hired an escort. I have chatte about what

>type of guy I am attracted to, about gay sex though I have

>never said I have or would hire an escort.

>

>Mark -Kalifornia

 

Once again you are lying Mark:

http://www.male4malescorts.com/dcforum/DCForumID1/4297.html

 

"Kalifornia

Member since Jun-27-02

Sep-14-02, 08:18 PM (EDT)

 

1. "RE: Three weird things"

In response to message #0

 

It has been a strange few weeks for me too. One regularly reviewed escort on this site, though a first time hire to me, came over. We were about to get into some anal action and he asked about condoms. I was in the other room and yelled top drawer of the nightstand to the left of the bed. Well he had left and right confused and while he did find the condoms in the other nightstand, he also found my badge, unloaded weapon and ID. He apparently became freaked out and left. Hey I tried to explain to him that officers are also gay and we do hire escorts. If I was to arrest him why did I just suck his cock?

 

Then I met this guy at a hotel in a different city but here in California. He was so loud and energenic that the front desk called to ask if we would keep the noise down.

 

A few days ago I was in thee Castro and picked up a hot looking guy about 23. We worked out all the arrangements and decided to go to his place and it was closet. When I arrived he kissed me a few times then asked for double his requested fee. I just found a few reviews for him on this site, well it looks like him, and they are pretty mixed.

 

Maybe it is earth's rotation or something.

 

 

Mark -Kalifornia"

[btmstudnyc]

This post has been quite interesting.

 

I realize that some people don't want to pay. I also know for a fact that some guys charge high prices so that they don't have to "PUT OUT" as much over the course of the week. Everyone treats money their own way...To one person...$500 is ridiculous...to another...its peanuts (granted there are less people in this category.) A Chevy Blazer and Oldsmobile Bravada are essentially the same car. Why would people choose one over the other? Lots of answers to that question...eh?

 

I am an escort. My price is slightly higher because it takes a lot of energy for me to do. I also want to be genuine when I'm doing this particular work, I also have to weigh the costs of my public life (for some..that's not a concern...but for me it is.) I still like to escort....but I don't want to be that busy. I also give massages at a more resonable rate and make a good living off of it (even though some say that my bodyrub rates are high too.) Yes it's supply and demand, but it can also be a myraid of other things.

 

I think one of my clients put it into perspective to me. One day I referred someone else to him because I couldn't do it. He told me...You know JIM, I could hire any guy for cheaper or who is more ripped or more this or more that....but I want to be with YOU. He said..you're more than my type physically. You make me laugh, you make me feel alive, you make me feel motivated....CAN ANYONE PUT A PRICE ON THAT?

 

If you just want sex...I agree 100%, those are exorbitant prices.

If you just want company. That still may be high...especially for newbie escorts.

 

But if you want something that may transform you...There is no price.

 

WHO said this....It's all relative my dear!

 

Just like you sometimes wouldn't want an escort even for free...There are escorts who wouldn't take a million to put up with a client who gives them the heebie jeebies.

 

Didn't Robert Redford do a movie about this? Where he offered the wife one million dollars to sleep with him.

 

JIM

:+

[Guest ripped4rent]

Maximum Escorts

 

Just wanted to add my two cents about [link:www.maximumescorts.com|Maximum Escorts].

 

I used to work with them and I wanted everyone to know what great guys both Matt and Stephen are. I am sure many of you have talked to them on the phone a bunch, and they are just as friendly and supportive in person. I am not with them anymore just cuz I don't 'scort as often, but I still keep in touch ... I consider them friends. They treat their boys well and take what they do very seriously.

 

Ok, enough of the shameless plug for Maximum ... I hope it doesn't end up costing me work! Don't forget about us (reasonable priced) free-lancers!

[Guest Kenny021]

"If you just want sex...I agree 100%, those are exorbitant prices.

If you just want company. That still may be high...especially for newbie escorts.

 

But if you want something that may transform you...There is no price.

 

WHO said this....It's all relative my dear!

 

Just like you sometimes wouldn't want an escort even for free...There are escorts who wouldn't take a million to put up with a client who gives them the heebie jeebies.

 

Didn't Robert Redford do a movie about this? Where he offered the wife one million dollars to sleep with him."

 

Absolutely correct and makes the point exactly. If you are looking to be transformed, go to a shrink....(of course you won't get laid but you're not looking for that, you're looking to be transformed. They just charge approx $100 pr hour. Now you can charge whatever you want and clients can pay whatever they want. You can drive either car you mentioned (can't remember what they were) and never know the difference. Therefore, choosing to drive the expensive one is stupid. However there are some who would choose the expensive one because they fool themselves into believing it actually feels better.

It is just so ironic that nobody would ever conceive of buying a suit of clothes (to be worn at least one year) that cost $300 without at least trying it on etc yet they think nothing of dishing out $300 for one hour with one person.

Oh those hormones ;-)

[Guest ncm2169]

HEADS UP GUYZ!! Several posts here have included Kristian in Houston in this new hi bux category. Based on a few emails between Kristian and me, it didn't sound right, so I emailed him and told him about this thread. He replied as follows:

 

Thanks for your e-mail. My rates haven't gone up. I wonder where that came from. I tried looking for the thread to Hooboy's website you mentioned and couldn't find it. I'll look again.

Yours,

Kristian

 

Sometimes it pays to check things out, huh? }>

[+ Charlie]

When I read threads like this, I am reminded of how lucky I am to live in Philadelphia, where the two agencies that totally dominate the escort scene charge $150/hr. for their regular service. Yesterday they arranged for me to have an elaborate fetish scene with a hot muscle hunk in a specially equipped private setting--for $180 plus $50 for each additional half hour. For $400 I could probably have had two escorts and a good dinner afterwards.

[taylorky]

>It is just so ironic that nobody would ever conceive of

>buying a suit of clothes (to be worn at least one year) that

>cost $300 without at least trying it on etc yet they think

>nothing of dishing out $300 for one hour with one person.

>Oh those hormones ;-)

======================================================================WHOA dude your right .......wonder how many people look at it like that; and for those that don't..........why not. as for the blazer/bravada, they are s.u.v.'s. piece of shit cheap domestic s.u.v.s made by g.m..........blazer>>>>>chevrolet - bravada>>>>>near death oldsmobile. taylor @ 18:14--09/30/02

[handyandy]

>HEADS UP GUYZ!! Several posts here have included Kristian

>in Houston in this new hi bux category. Based on a few

>emails between Kristian and me, it didn't sound right,

 

See also post 50 above of 9/27.

[Guest ncm2169]

Post 50 is missing on my screen. What happened? What did it say? x(

[Guest fukamarine]

>>HEADS UP GUYZ!! Several posts here have included Kristian

>>in Houston in this new hi bux category. Based on a few

>>emails between Kristian and me, it didn't sound right,

>

>See also post 50 above of 9/27.

 

I think we have some confusion here, caused by:

 

(a) Some of our members have poor writing skills

 

(b) Some of our members have even poorer reading skills

 

Typical of what the education system is churning out in this great country of ours.

 

fukamarine

[Guest adamtroy]

Yes I have noticed this trend too. I think they just pick a number and if there is "sticker shock" they lower it by $50 or $75. I find the best thing is just to inquire very clearly about what they are providing for what price so everyone is clear about the tit for tat.

[BobbyB]

RE: Who pays and why

 

e been trying to figure out where I should chime in with my 2 cents worth, but replying to one of your well thought-out posts is better than most. Additionally, I figure you would really be an excellent person to take this particular ball and run with it:

 

Regardless of whether some escorts chose to, mistakenly or otherwise, charge more than what is considered fair market value, I continue to get the disturbing feeling that some people don't factor in what makes the hiring...and value...of a good escort worth whatever they feel comfortable charging. An escort isn't your typical schmo working at the corner hardware store. He's usually an above average looking guy, if not an out & out hottie with a sexual skill-set that leaves most us slack-jawed and with smiles that only surgury or time can remove. But MUCH more importantly, when we buy the services of an escort, we are buying an irreplaceable part of that person's youth, their absolute "prime" that almost everyone else on the planet will NEVER get to experience. But we do!

 

My experience with escorts is somewhat limited, but I respect the profession very much. When I was in MY prime, I spent it satisfying ME. But these rarified specimens spend their youth & sexual prime satisfying US, and that makes them pretty special indeed. What they let us rent by the hour, evening, or weekend, adds up to giant chunks of their lives that they are not getting to share with their lovers and friends. That is time that can never be reclaimed. It's gone, and we got it. I have no doubt that the clients of a successful escort will clock more time with that escort than his poor boyfriend (if he can even squeeze one in) ever gets to see. They put their lives on hold for us, gentlemen, and while much can, and should, be said about the realities of the marketplace, we shouldn't forget that as long as we have these unique individuals who share with us their most wonderful, irreplaceable youth and soul, we are provided with experiences we would otherwise NEVER have. In the great scheme of things, they provide me with much more than I could ever afford to really pay. God bless 'em, and I wish them all well.

 

And there, sir, you have my 2 cents worth. :-)

 

- BobbyB

[Guest fukamarine]

RE: Who pays and why

 

As unpopular as this may make me, I feel compelled to say that I find the sentiments as expressed by this member are a load of crap.

 

>An escort isn't your typical schmo

>working at the corner hardware store.

 

Well, actually he may very well be just that. Many escorts hold down regular day jobs as well.

 

>He's usually an above

>average looking guy, if not an out & out hottie.

 

Well I would cerntainly hope so. Why else would we hire him?

 

>But MUCH more importantly, when we buy the services of an escort, we >are buying an irreplaceable part of that person's youth, their

>absolute "prime" that almost everyone else on the planet

>will NEVER get to experience. But we do!

 

PARDON? We're buying an "irreplaceable part of that person's youth"?

Me thinks you have been reading too much Danielle Steele.

 

>But these rarified specimens

 

Are you sure you don't work on Madison Avenue?

 

>What they let us rent by the hour, evening, or weekend, adds up to giant chunks of their lives that they are not getting to share with their lovers and friends. That is time that can never be reclaimed.

 

And if they worked for General Electric, Ford or their local utility company would you feel the same way towards that employer?

 

>It's gone, and we got it.

 

How dramatic - time out whlie I fish for a Kleenex.

 

>I have no doubt that the clients of a

>successful escort will clock more time with that escort than

>his poor boyfriend (if he can even squeeze one in) ever gets

>to see.

 

And if he worked any other 40 hr a week job the same would apply.

 

They put their lives on hold for us,

 

Oh please, give us a break

 

>gentlemen, and while much can, and should, be said about the >realities of the marketplace, we shouldn't forget that as long as we >have these unique individuals who share with us their most

>wonderful, irreplaceable youth and soul, we are provided

>with experiences we would otherwise NEVER have.

 

Well maybe YOU would never have them otherwise, but please don't speak for me.

 

>>And there, sir, you have my 2 cents worth. :-)

>

>- BobbyB

 

And as far as I'm concerned, Sir, at 2 cents, it's highly over valued.

 

fukamarine

[Traveller]

fam,

 

He's probably best friends with the guy who wrote Klaus of New York's first review. Still the standard by which all other over-the-top hallucinations are measured.

 

Later.

[Matt_Vancouver]

Your not so expensive Canadian alternatives

 

> But hiring escort is similar to most things in life,

>the best escorts charge the highest fees.

 

Not always the case.

Yes Kristian is fucking hot.... dickzilla feels inadequate: (

But I always say, you can buy your cumrag towels at wallmart, or you can go to Niemans... you're choice... they will both clean up the sticky boy goo with equal absorbancy... but one is 1.95 the other... 250.00.... (ok I've never said that before: ) and it's a bit of an extreme....also I don't think either store has a section for 'cumrags'... but you get the point....what was the point??)

Oh YEAH.... I'm no Kristian, but my reviews speak for themselves... and no slouch (co-hooker of the millenium!!!...along with mz. Muroe), and my fees are not astronomical. In fact, I have been told in the past that I should raise my rates....BY CLIENTS!!!

Now before anyone gets all 'get her' on my ass... I'm not gods gift, never said I was, in fact I still wonder why people continue to book me: ) ... so don't start in on the spank Matts ego bus.(that's daddy in trainings job): )

later....

matt(this part of my brain only comes once a month... thank god they says)

[Matt_Vancouver]

Lost in the shuffle

 

repost of one I did somewhere ...up there...

 

> But hiring escort is similar to most things in life,

>the best escorts charge the highest fees.

 

Not always the case.

Yes Kristian is fucking hot.... dickzilla feels inadequate: (

But I always say, you can buy your cumrag towels at wallmart, or you can go to Niemans... you're choice... they will both clean up the sticky boy goo with equal absorbancy... but one is 1.95 the other... 250.00.... (ok I've never said that before: ) and it's a bit of an extreme....also I don't think either store has a section for 'cumrags'... but you get the point....what was the point??)

Oh YEAH.... I'm no Kristian, but my reviews speak for themselves... and no slouch (co-hooker of the millenium!!!...along with mz. Muroe), and my fees are not astronomical. In fact, I have been told in the past that I should raise my rates....BY CLIENTS!!!

Now before anyone gets all 'get her' on my ass... I'm not gods gift, never said I was, in fact I still wonder why people continue to book me: ) ... so don't start in on the spank Matts ego bus.(that's daddy in trainings job): )

later....

matt(this part of my brain only comes once a month... thank god they says)

[Flower]

RE: Lost in the shuffle

 

*****

>... I'm not

>gods gift, never said I was, in fact I still wonder why

>people continue to book me: ) ... so don't start in on the

>spank Matts ego bus.(that's daddy in trainings job): )

>later....

>matt(this part of my brain only comes once a month... thank

>god they says)

 

Matt I haven't met you but remember several months ago reading one of your posts and saying to my self, before seeing any of your hot pix, "I'd like to meet that guy--he sounds sincere and very cool." And you still do, and it's posts like the one above that let your very cool personality show through. So maybe you wonder, but most of us here know the answer :+

 

Flower :*

[BewareofNick]

>>I know a lot of people are out of work...maybe these new

>>escorts are straight?

>>

>>Or maybe one guy alone is testing the market....using

>>different names. I'd definitely be leary. Maybe "Beware of

>>Nick" can give you some ideas...He has to be the best on

>>Investigative reporting on escorts.

>>

>>JIM

>>

>>:l What is "Beware of Nick" and how does one access it?

 

To access it, one would e-mail all needed information to Bewareofpeter@hotmail.com

 

-Truth Justice and the American Way-