The (Expensive) New Crew

[taylorky]

>Actually, he doesn't do that much for me. Not really my

>type.

>

8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888hey boston i really have to agree with you.i just don't understand what people see in this guy.no offense but i could never get horny enough to do it with him,,,hey just my opinion.and I did'nt mention age.... flower did ..............so dump on him heeeeee heeee taylor@ 23:19-09/26/02

[Huey]

Not sure if this is a trend or maybe I'm just having bad luck the past few days. I have contacted 4 new-to-the-scene escorts about their services and fee. They each quoted me a fee of at least 400. per hour

 

I am in Southern California where the common fee is between 175. - 225. per hour. Not sure why this apparent new crop feels that 400. plus per hour is what the market will rate them at.

 

I wonder if they're throwing a number out and hoping it sticks or if they feel escorting is a quick and easy way to make big cash? In either event they won't be receiving my business till I have some proof that their services are worth such an extraordinary price.

 

Are you guys seeing this trend in your area?

 

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[Rod Hagen]

A month or so ago I contacted a new(ish) Big Name escort, who shall remain nameless simply because I don't want to seem catty, about a threesome. The client is a bottom, and I was to top both of them. Of course the other escort already knew the client was paying my fee of $220 for the hour, but his fee if he had to be interactive (Kissing and touching) with both of us: $700/hour. My response, "Get you."

[Guest Bitchboy]

Goddammit, I hate when Rod decides not to be catty!!! }>

[btmstudnyc]

I know a lot of people are out of work...maybe these new escorts are straight?

 

Or maybe one guy alone is testing the market....using different names. I'd definitely be leary. Maybe "Beware of Nick" can give you some ideas...He has to be the best on Investigative reporting on escorts.

 

JIM

 

:l

[swallowU]

I am in the Southern California area also but I'm not in the LA / Hollywood area. I reside in Orange County area.

 

My recent experiences with the "new crew" has been to quote me a fee (250-300) and then ask for an additional 150 for 'travel fees'. I'm 22 miles from the LA area. Needless to say, I've chosen not to use those individuals. There are plenty of incredibly nice guys that have done outcalls to my home without a 'travel fee'.

[Boston Guy]

Anyone who feels that they have to pay an escort $400 per hour must be a bad shopper. :-)

 

As for LA, I've had the experience of having guys there quote me rediculous rates. I've laughed and moved on. There are lots of fish in that sea.

 

One guy, who quoted me $350 originally, kept emailing me "special rate deals" and eventually got down to where he was offering $150 per hour, about two weeks after the $350 offer. But, by that time, I was so turned off by his approach that I didn't accept his offer.

 

It's understandable why the boys will try to charge as much as they can; in their position, I would do the same thing. It's just not necessary to pay those exhorbitant rates.

 

BG

[Guest Kenny021]

Escorts rates have been discussed here many times and it will never be resolved. The conclusion usually reached is THEY WILL CHARGE WHATEVER THE CLIENT IS WILLING TO PAY. There are CLIENTS who engage escorts, pay outrageous rates and then justify it with statements like "Worth every penny and then some" Some even say that the escort should charge more and he still would be worth every cent. NONSENSE.

There is one escort (Michael Vincenzo) who charges $300 per hour. I've hired him once and yes, he is an absolutely wonderful escort. Is he worth $300? As much as I've wanted to, I haven't rehired him because I've concluded that NOBODY is worth that much money. Michael is probably worth $500 per hour and YES, SOMEONE WOULD PAY HIM THAT BECAUSE HE DELIVERS. Porn stars charge outrages fees and PEOPLE PAY IT.

It's all an individual thing. I've concluded that I have a limit as to how much I will pay and now am sticking to it. I've had wonderful experiences with very attractive, low-end priced escorts and not so wonderful experiences with higher end well reviewed escorts. Remember, price DOESN'T necessarily assure quality.

As long as people are willing to pay it, THEY WILL CHARGE IT.

[Boston Guy]

I've found that higher-priced escorts are often arrogant and demanding and more concerned with their own happiness. Those are features I can do without.

 

Guys in the $150 to $200 range are much more likely to be easy-going guys out to make a little money and have some fun along the way.

 

Or at least that's been my experience.

 

BG

[Uncle Bill]

I'm in LA, and I frequently hire in Las Vegas also, but I haven't run into this higher pricing. Maybe it's because I typically hire only guys with several (good) reviews (by reliable reviewers) on this site -- and since I'm able to see their fees on the reviews, I just ignore any that I consider to be over MY price threshold.

 

My regulars are Justin #2 in LA (who charges me $200 per SESSION, some of which last several hours, or $500 per DAY) and Richard in Las Vegas (who charges $300 for an EVENING). Yes, I tip them, but the prices are still VERY reasonable on an hourly basis. They are both great, and I can't see any reason to pay a whole lot more (although I also use ManToManEscorts from time to time to add a little variety, but I consider the additional fees paid there to be connected with the screening and evaluation process that they provide for me).

 

I have to say, though, that I had a favorite escort in San Diego (Aaron), who has gone in and out of escorting and is now charging $500/hour (versus $250 when I met him). I talked to him about his price increase, and he just wants to limit the number of clients he takes so that he could pay more attention to his studies and life in general. He's an absolutely fantastic guy (both personally and in bed), but his new price is beyond my willingness to pay (no, he didn't offer me the old price even though I had seen him before). However, I wished him well, and if he can get clients to pay him that much, more power to him.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Southern California Rates

 

I would observe the standard rate here to be about $200 an hour. The adult film performers who escort and the body builders are often demanding upwards of $300, not just Michael Vicenzo, whether they are tops, bottoms or just straight guys out for "body worship."

 

Some very well known "names" are charging $500 an hour or more, especially if they come to you from an introduction program or agency.

 

In the Los Angeles market, most everyone has an IN call AND an OUT call fee. There are, unfortunately, few escorts in Long Beach and Orange County, but I also know few escorts who will spend 50 minutes or more on the road for the exact same fee as they would drive from one end of West Hollywood to another.

 

I do think some of the very young men entering the market misunderstand the price points or have been offered a great deal by one client and feel they can demand or request this from every client. I also know of any number of college students and underemployed guys who just "put out their AOL shingle" and charge as little as $100 an hour but these are guys who have no reviews, for whom this is a complete sideline and it is just spending money for them.

 

The escorts who treat this as a profession, who have ads, known identities, reviews, cell phones, pagers, etc. incur certain costs, just as an escort agency might. Other costs could include tax advice, health insurance, car insurance, etc.

 

Again, I think Uncle Bill has made the best point. If you check out the reviews or contact the escort and communicate based on your desires and expectations, you can reach an agreement or you move on.

 

Not everything is available at the price you would prefer to pay, for anyone under every circumstance.

[Guest 7Zach]

This has made me curious:

have other people stopped using Campus in new york since the rate hike, or are you just paying?

[Guest peternic1]

RE: Southern California Rates

 

You guys should be in New Mexico - and I know that supply and demand is always a factor - but I know of only 2 guys here, in the 22 y/o range, who want 250/hr, not bad I guess considering the supply and demand principle, but leave you with the feeling that they're doing you a favor by answering your email. Come on guys, at least use New Mexico as your home base - increase the competition!!

[Guest Kalifornia]

These guys quoting such high fees are either straight, twink types who feel they can get away with the fee and if not it doesn't matter as they still live with mommy or scam artists. A lot of people are out of work these days and I feel look at escorting as fast cash.

 

If an escort like Rod wanted to charge 400. he at least has a valid track record. Why anyone would want to pay someone that old for sex is beyond me but hey I guess people have that daddy fantasy thing.

 

But from what the poster writes these guys are new to the business and really don't ccare that much about any longevity in the business. It is grab what you can now. With no concern of building a business.

 

They won't ever get my money.

 

Mark -Kalifornia

[Rod Hagen]

Hey Cuntlips, how old am I?

[Rod Hagen]

>Hey Cuntlips, how old am I?

 

I'll beat you to the punchline: You can't count that high.

 

I'm only ten years older than the youngest legally working escorts, I don't see what the big fucking deal is. What you can only get it on with someone who looks like the kid who cuts your grass?

[Guest alanm]

"I've found that high-priced escorts are often arrogant and demanding and more concerned with their own happiness."

 

Oh, really. My experience has been exactly the opposite, most recently

with Kristian from Houston. I agree that paying $400 an hour is too

steep. But hiring escort is similar to most things in life, the best escorts charge the highest fees. Next time you are in Houston, check out Kristian!

[Boston Guy]

>But hiring escort is similar to most things in life,

>the best escorts charge the highest fees. Next time you are

>in Houston, check out Kristian!

 

It's not always true, but most things that have a high price in life have some sort of high underlying cost for the producer. Consider aged brandy (takes a long time to make and requires storage for all that time); great caviar (very small supply); a Rolls Royce (very, very expensive to construct); and a great neurosurgeon (many years of expensive education and many more years of learning on the job).

 

The kind of personal services that we're discussing here at M4M have few economic costs to them that vary greatly from escort to escort; the costs borne by a new escort in NYC will probably be reasonably similar to those incurred by a more experienced escort, at least so long as they're striving to offer similar services (i.e., incalls vs outcalls) and are trying to run similar marketing campaigns.

 

So it doesn't seem logical to conclude that the higher prices charged by some escorts are being charged because the cost of the product or service offered by the escort has cost that person proportionately more to offer it. Instead, it seems to me that higher prices are based almost solely on marketing and a "supply and demand" argument.

 

It's been my experience that there are plenty of good escorts in virtually all regions who are willing to charge $200 or less per hour. So higher prices aren't strictly being justified by a lack of supply. Instead, I think the marketing efforts of escorts are responsible for the increase in prices, along with the geographically-widespread reach of this board; when escorts in small towns see guys in big cities charging high prices, they figure they should, too.

 

From a client's point of view, it's been my experience that there is no noticeable difference in quality between the services offered by guys at $150, $200 and $300 per hour. (I've tried a few of the $300 guys on very rare occasions and, once, one at a hgher price, just to see if I was missing something kind of crucial. I wasn't.) There are excellent escorts at all levels and bad ones, too.

 

If a client wants to pay an escort $400 per hour, that's his decision and it really is no concern of mine. Likewise, if he justifies it by convincing himself that he's buying one of the finer things in life, that's okay, too. We're all free to decide how to spend our own money.

 

But my experience is that the guys who build a 'name', usually by being in porn but sometimes otherwise, and start charging high prices end up being convinced of the high value of their own self-worth by all the hype and start to consider their own satisfaction and happiness more important than that of their clients.

 

There are exceptions to every rule and I'm sure there are many here. But, from the point of view of this client, give me a nice, normal, good-looking guy who charges $150 to $200 per hour any day of the week over some over-marketed guy who charges $300 to $400 or more and thinks of himself as God's gift to men.

 

 

BG

[Rod Hagen]

BG, of course you're right. Nevertheless, and I sure hope I don't choke on this piece of humble pie, you are never going to find an established escort as objectively beautiful as Kristian (based on his photos anyway) for $150.

[Boston Guy]

>BG, of course you're right. Nevertheless, and I sure hope I

>don't choke on this piece of humble pie, you are never going

>to find an established escort as objectively beautiful as

>Kristian (based on his photos anyway) for $150.

 

 

Actually, he doesn't do that much for me. Not really my type. If he wanted to go on a date, I'd think about it. But I couldn't really see hiring him, even at a much lower price.

 

Just goes to show, once again, that beauty is in the eye...

 

BG

[Rod Hagen]

Which is why I said "objectively". He may not do anything for Boston Guy specifically, but he holds all the classic components of perfection. It's like looking up at the ceiling of the Sistine (spelling?) Chapel and saying, "It doesn't float my boat." Well, maybe it doesn't, but objectively it's beautiful.*

 

*See Ayn Rand.

[Boston Guy]

I'm not sure I'm willing to go that far.

 

'Objective' signifies that the thing is independent of thought and judgment and obvious to all observers, or something close to that.

 

Beauty, on the other hand, seems to be defined entirely in subjective terms. It might seem to make sense to talk about 'objective beauty', but I'm so not sure that it really does.

 

My friends and I have discussed this many times and we always come back to the same thing: it's in the eye of the beholder. You may see someone or something and say "that's beautiful". But that doesn't mean that thing is beautiful in its essence -- just that it's beautiful in your eyes. It may fail that test in the eyes of another observer.

 

Even things that would seem to be able to be judged as beautiful on more 'objective' terms -- scuplture, music, architecture, even the weather outside -- appeal to each of us in different ways. To the guy who lives in a desert, a rainy day may well be the most beautiful kind of day there is.

 

And while an expert may judge a sculpture to be finely crafter, whether it is beautiful or not is ultimately up to each of us to decide. I don't think we're going to find many universally-beautiful things.

 

BG

[Rod Hagen]

For $150 you won't be able to find a man who would be considered as nearly perfect looking by as many men as Kristian would likely be. (Clumsy passive voice, sorry).

[Guest fukamarine]

>who has gone in and out of escorting and is

>now charging $500/hour. I talked to him about his price increase, >and he just wants to limit the number of clients he takes

 

Well, I think he will be phenomenally successful

in achieving his goal. :-)

 

fukamarine

[Boston Guy]

Perhaps.

 

But, in the end, isn't it only important that the men we choose be attractive to us? It doesn't really matter whether other men would find them attractive.

 

BG