Why do so few clients ever post reviews (good or bad ones)????

[Michael Wayne]

I have been meaning to post this thread for a while now but have hesitated. First of all I wish to thank ALL my wonderful clients and fans who have bothered to take time to review me on http://www.men4rentnow.com/ds/index....n=mikey9nola:9 as well as, of course, on Daddys and other review sites. I have never recieved a bad review which I pride myself on. I try to always bring my ,A, game to the table when I work. I am always conscious of the possibility of being reviewed and I let my clients know that a good review is priceless and more valued to me than a big tip. MOST of my new clients come in because of my reviews and I try to live up to them. That is alot of pressure! My question is this though: of the thousands of clients I have seen (and I exxagerate not at that number) less than 20 have ever reviewed me. Now, in my life of escorting over 10 years now, I have run an astounding repeat rate of about 80% of locals. I even get touristsa nd convention visitors who come to New Orleans every year and see me every year so you know they like me - alot! Yet they do not review. Question is why don't yall review more. In my honest opinion there need to be more NEGATIVE reviews because most of my clients tell me story after story of bad experiences they have had all over the country. I ask em ,"Well, did you review him?" and they say no. I say let the Siskels and Heberts arise and critique and critisize us. We will be better because of it and the client base will be better served! http://www.rentboy.com/mikey9nola1

[bobchitown]

I gave up. Maybe things have changed, but it used to be a lot of work. There wasn't a way to copy over anything from previous reviews, so it took a long time to enter height, weight, phone number, eye color - EYE COLOR??, I have no idea what color his eyes were! - and on and on. That would have been worth the effort, but then the last three reviews I sent in were never published - no contact back to me, no reason, just never published. I decided "why bother". Too bad.

 

If there were some way to do a 5 minute "quick review" I'd be much more likely to do it - this is part of the reason mini reviews keep popping up in the Deli, despite rules against that behavior. It's just too damn hard.

 

Like I said, maybe things have changed and I'll try again sometime.

[doitb4ugo]

I gave up. Maybe things have changed, but it used to be a lot of work. There wasn't a way to copy over anything from previous reviews, so it took a long time to enter height, weight, phone number, eye color - EYE COLOR??, I have no idea what color his eyes were! - and on and on. That would have been worth the effort, but then the last three reviews I sent in were never published - no contact back to me, no reason, just never published. I decided "why bother". Too bad.

 

If there were some way to do a 5 minute "quick review" I'd be much more likely to do it - this is part of the reason mini reviews keep popping up in the Deli, despite rules against that behavior. It's just too damn hard.

 

Like I said, maybe things have changed and I'll try again sometime.

 

I think you have hit on something here. I tend to review the escorts I hire but admit it is a bit of work....I think the option of posting a mini-review would be a big hit...for instance, I am seeing the same local escort now on an almost regular basis and would like to let others know the different things we engage in which were not part of my first review of very vanilla activities...but it is alot of work and I haven't done it despite knowing how helpful it would be to potential clients as well as the escort...

[josephga]

I thinks it due to being to much trouble to bother. allot of precautions are in place to help cut down on fake reviews but some don't want to fill out the info. i gave around 7000 massages out of 7000 only had 80 something reviews on massage m4m masseur finder and find a masseur combined. some req you to register to give reviews some req a contact number. some of the best clients never write reviews i had a massage client that i saw twice a week for a few years that never wrote a review. then some give you a fantastic review to never return again.

[+ Charlie]

I would have written plenty of negative reviews 20-30 years ago, but there was nowhere to do it. In the Internet age, I have had far fewer bad experiences, for various reasons: I know much more about the escort before I hire him (and he knows I know it); I hire escorts who have already been given good reviews; there are more serious, professional escorts than there used to be, because the career is more rewarding and less socially stigmatized than "hustling" used to be.

 

Not many clients write reviews of any kind because: most people are not really comfortable writing formal, objective reviews of anything, much less of their own sexual activities; most clients are probably afraid that putting something in writing could somehow lead to them being identified by someone they don't want to know about their hiring activity; on a site like this, negative reviewers fear blowback from the escort or from other reviewers who love that escort; if an escort already has lots of positive reviews, another one may seem unnecessary. For obvious reasons, escorts are much more eager to receive reviews than clients are to write them.

[seeker630]

I thinks it due to being to much trouble to bother. allot of precautions are in place to help cut down on fake reviews but some don't want to fill out the info.

For many people, it's a very private experience. (Look at the number of reviews that prefer to 'keep the details private'. And also, there's the 'what's in it for me?' aspect. Unless the reviewer gets satisfaction from contributing to the knowledge base or gets a thrill from chronicaling his exploits semi-publicly, there's no incentive to make the time & expend the effort.

 

And according to the statistics on the front page here, there are fewer than 600 active members of the Message Center. (I realize that MC members and reviewers are different groups which overlap - some MC members don't review, some reviewers probably don't post here.)

[OneFinger]

I think you have hit on something here. I tend to review the escorts I hire but admit it is a bit of work....I think the option of posting a mini-review would be a big hit...

Ditto. The process has become way too cumbersome and the delay between writing the review and having it published is way too long.

 

Another reason I don't write reviews anyone is because there's always someone that will criticize or critique your comments in a forum and your then have to defend yourself.

[Bart]

Mikey I use to be an avid review writter in my eight years here probably over 50 reviews. This year only and its a negative one.

First for me if I do a review, I do a thorough review, generally long. I dont believe in the two line review. Usually a good 30-45 minutes to do so. I write my commentary in word and copy it in so I at least get spelling and English correct. I just dont have that time this year.

Second I dont feel motivated to do so. The following is whiney and I probably will be told to just grow up about it but it has just stuck in me since the day it occurred and I cant forget.

At the start of this year an escort received a negative review, as is appropriate the escort was given the opportunity to respond. The escort's response was written by an illiterate immature young man. I have always felt how a gentlemen responds to a review tells a lot about his character and the type of person you would hire. Sometimes in a response to a negative review you actually find a person who you would not only give a second look to but maybe hire just because it comes off so mature, intelligent and actually caring that he failed to provide the necessary items required in an good meeting. In this case the review showed a young man ill-prepared to handle the rigors of being a quality gentlemen. I read his response, not even a day later the review was replaced by a more pleasant, intelligent and mature response. I did not realize review responses had "do-overs".

Just left a bad taste in my mouth and yes I agree I am being a bitch about it but Daddy's sandbox and he has the right to the rules. I do not have to participate in it.

[+ glutes]

Why contribute to fantasy? Most of the reviews are out and out ad copy, I only read them for entertainment.

The one time I did get a review posted (very favorable), the escort kept calling my phone because I put down his actual height 5'7", not the 5'10" listed in other reviews.

I don't want to participate in deceit.

[rossthebosssf]

The format is too cumbersome and time consuming. I hire 30-40 times a year and it's just too much. I only bother now if someone was either exceptional or if they were just that bad. I also don't bother writing reviews for escorts who have more than 10 reviews. What's the point? I don't want to be David-SF's 88th review. No one's going to bother reading it.

 

I think the format on here should be made simpler (Daddy, are you listening?). If an escort already has a review we shouldn't have to enter their stats and contact info. If we're established reviewers give us a login with our info prefilled. If I could submit a review in 10 minutes or less I would submit significantly more.

[Muscle Lover 2]

My practice is to only review if (1) it has been awhile since he has been reviewed and I think I can add something to the general pool of info on him that I think clients need to know about or just confirm that things have not changed since his previous reviews; (2) I have an incredibly good experience; (3) I have an incredibly bad experience; or (4) if I think he is false advertising and I do not want anyone else to get suckered like I did (i.e., claiming in his 30s and is actually pushing 60 -- not that there is anything wrong with that, I just think you should be able to shop with full knowledge of what you are buying). If it is just an average experience and what I might post would do no more that echo what others have written, I do not bother to review.

[MiamiLooker]

There's no incentive for a client to post a review.

[leigh.bess.toad]

I certainly think a lot of the guys are onto something. I'm a newbie here so I don't have the track record of reviews you guys have. My first review was for my first hire in many years so it was personal to me. My second review was for a young guy with few reviews just starting out who I think has a bright future as an escort so I really wanted to do a nice job for him. I was impressed with him on many fronts and was glad to do it. My third review (still pending publication) was for an experience that just blew me away such that I had to write about it. But Rossthebosssf is right -- being David-sf's 88th review really isn't going to affect whether someone hires him. Look we all know who the top guys in the biz are. We of course have our own favorites based on our own tastes. But even if we wouldn't necessarily hire everyone on a list, I bet if you locked the clients at Hooville in PS this spring in a room together they could could come up with an "all-star" roster of 15-20 names in about 8-10 minutes flat with virtual unanimity. Obviously previous escort of the year winners as well as 1st and 2nd place finishers in any year are automatically in the list. Just that list alone will give you a great roster you could die happy with. And do any of these great escorts "need" another review? Not really. Their reps are secured. An occasional review here or there is nice but not a career maker. There are some newcomers and more "specialty" hires that I think a lot of us could agree on. But reviews are certainly far more important to them and I would certainly be more inclined to review someone who impressed me -- positively or negatively.

 

But the suggestions for ease of copying the standard boilerplate info is so great. I spent half my time on the most recent review checking the guy's website for his stats, as well as reading ALL of his previous reviews to see how did everyone list him -- has he gone from the 30's to 40's, is he muscular, buff, what, is he clean shaven, scruffy -- since that can change in a day or two? Is he 5'9 or 5'10", is he 170 or 180? Who the hell cares? Let's face it. As a general rule, his height, hair color, eye color, weight, and dick size isn't going to change all that much over time. If the escorts have a verification section at the top of their reviews, why can't we have something similar for the reviewers. That would certainly make it a lot easier.

 

Now Mikey -- you've got a bigger issue. I just went looking for your reivews. And couldn't find them. Because I was looking for them (and you) in New Orleans. But if you look under New Orleans or under Louisiana, there is no Mikey. SO WHERE IN THE WORLD IS MIKEY9NOLA? Well actually that's right. IN THE WORLD category. At the top of your profile in your reviews it says Mikey in New Orleans. but in the search section where you look under Louisiana -- no Mikey. When you look by name, you find a Mikey (not Mikey9nola, just Mikey) but it lists his location as WORLD. So Mikey -- you need to get hold of Daddy and/or deej ASAP and get this straightened out ASAP. Cause that sure ain't good for business. And I can understand your frustration. You've been in the biz a long time but you only have 2 reviews here -- nice reviews but someone might think you're a newbie. And I don't know how to solve that conundrum easily.

[josephga]

You also can't trust reviews on sites where a escort or a masseur pays to advertise. sites Like massage m4m or men4rentnow. They won't risk a advertiser getting pissed off and taking their advertiser dollar elsewhere. massage m4m requires a large number of complaints b4 they will post a negative review. masseurfinder allows advertisers to delete 1 negative review something like every 3 months. Iv seen 3 negative reviews on one guy on men4rentnow to only see those reviews vanish shortly later.

[+ deej]

It's the lurker syndrome.

 

In non-online situations, it's the "don't get involved" syndrome. Go to any school board meeting, city council meeting, or any other "community" gathering and you'll wonder why more people aren't involved. Same thing.

 

In an online venue fully 90% (or more) of participants will show up regularly but you'll never hear a peep out of them. They're known (affectionately!) as lurkers.

 

As you can see from other responses, people also don't want to be bothered to supply the requested information and yet the NUMBER ONE complaint about reviews is that there isn't enough information. That's our "Catch 22": everybody wants more information but nobody wants to supply it.

 

If you buy something at Target or PetCo or the grocery store, the receipt will frequently offer to enter you in a drawing for a fabulous prize if you'll just take their customer satisfaction survey. It's a *bribe* because they know that it's the only way to get people to participate. We don't have anything to bribe reviewers with.

 

But if you consider Daddy publishes ~30 reviews/week (the average is actually higher, I think), that's over 1500/year. Apply the 90% lurker rule and there's a LOT of fucking going on just among our readership! That thought makes me happy!

[rossthebosssf]

I agree that stats and contact info do not need to be repeated. Very few guys including myself can guess someone's height, weight or dick size. It's up to the escort to verify and keep that information accurate. I doubt that when reading reviews anyone matches stats between reviews. Ridiculous. If there is really that severe of a variation of size (body or dick) then the reviewer should specifically mention that information in the review. I feel like half the time writing a review is copying stats and then double checking.

 

Deej, I would think that the complaint regarding there's not enough information is in regards to reviews that write one or two lines like "yeah he's just as great as the reviews say" or "he's even hotter in person I recommend." Personally I don't even think these constitute as reviews unless it's a frequent established reviewer but even then it's a waste of server space. Maybe Daddy could provide a mini-faq so that reviewers can see examples of well written reviews. Not porn stories, but factual who, what where and when's. A pro and con section wouldn't be so bad either but lord knows the ladies who lunch will blow-up even the slightest constructive criticisms.

[GoodFella69]

I've hired and become friends with some outstanding, sexy men the past few years, but I've only written 5 or 6 reviews under a different screen name. All the reviews I've written have been on escorts who knocked my socks off and blew me away (in a good way)! Honestly, I've intended to write more reviews on great guys but often put it off, thinking I'll do it when I have time to write a thorough review...and then other priorities in my life always take precedence. Perhaps I should start submitting more abbreviated reviews and not worry about spelling out all the sordid details. Although, Deej is right...It's the "details" that I personally enjoy reading about in others' reviews. I've met two new guys (well, new to me) this past year and I feel bad that I haven't publicly praised them and their quality services yet. But that will be my TOP New Years Resolution. MikeNola, Thanks for posting this thread--It's the kick in the butt I need to get busy writing...and giving some credit where great credit is due! Cheers.

 

Goodfella

[Michael Wayne]

Thanks for all the info guys! I think the incentive to review may be that it will improve the performance and attitude of the escorts if they know they are always subject to review. I have spoken with some clients who have confessed that certain escorts promise free appointments for a good review. To me that is unethical to the max but yet it would be incentive. As far as Men4rentnow is concerned I must say something. It is my primary source of new clients and my reviews on there are accurate and true. My clients hire me because of them and the pics of course. so while there may be shennanigans going on with some people I think the vast majority of reviews there are above board and there are far more negative ones on there than yall might realize. As far as time, well, the best things in life take time and as an escort I cannot express how good it makes me feel to be reviewed and appreciated.......one more thing: I do NOT approve of m4rn's new thing about reviewing a client! That is bull shit. Do they even understand the meaning of the word discretion anymore? If I have an issue with a client it will remain between me and him not go before the world. Off to work I go.........my client tonight is HOTTTTTTTT!

[josephga]

Iv known some massage therapist b4 who would knock 10.00 to 20.00 off a clients next appointment in exchange for a great review i Refused to give discounts in exchange for a review. I never mentioned reviews to clients period.

[+ glutes]

incentive, of course.

 

There's no incentive for a client to post a review.

 

Oh yes there is! And that is to curry favor with said 'reviewed' escort, and get a freebie.

It has been demonstrated right here in Hooville.

[jgoo]

There's no incentive for a client to post a review.

 

Well I look at it that by posting a review I am helping to keep this site (both the reviews and the forum) alive and active, and as such there will be the opportunity to gain the benefits of other people's reviews and views. I can't tell you how many times it has benefited me in many ways so I think there is an incentive but its a bit more subtle than what we typically think of.

[JoeyBryant]

Now, in my life of escorting over 10 years now, I have run an astounding repeat rate of about 80% of locals. I even get touristsa nd convention visitors who come to New Orleans every year and see me every year so you know they like me - alot! Yet they do not review.

 

Hi Mikey...I was just in your city the other day. Although I had to get going fairly quickly, you did cross my mind LOL.

 

As for reviews...I see it this way, when your bank, or your AAA membership or a hotel sends you literature about reviewing them, how quickly are you to jump to doing so? If you are anything like me...its a bit time-consuming and I just try my best to thank them in the process rather than reviewing and answering 50 million questions. The other night, I spent 10 minutes on the phone with a rep making a review about my last bank branch visit. My hands were full, I was annoyed, I didn't want to do the review. But I figured, hell...they were nice so I'll just kill 10 minutes. I think clients are the same. They have busy lives, and dont have time. BUT...you have the few who are really intersted in sharing their experience, especially when several meets have taken place.

 

Regardless of what anyone tells you, I am not pro-asking for a review. I have traveled the country extensively lately and the few reviews I do have seem sufficent enough to get something on my 1st day upon arrival.

 

P.S., I'm not trying to be rude or hateful or anything...and I think you're great, but many of your posts seem to come off far too conceited, borderline annoying. and Im wondering maybe if you appear that way in person clients may feel you are too (key word too) confident that they dont feel the need to add anything else...

[JoeyBryant]

I do NOT approve of m4rn's new thing about reviewing a client! That is bull shit. Do they even understand the meaning of the word discretion anymore?

 

Fuck no..its not about 'clients'. Its about checking 4 boxes and determining whether a person is full of shit or not. There's a difference between a client and a wanker. I actually called an escort who reviewed a client to find out what happened...and sure enough, I avoided what could have been a disastrous situation.

 

Why would you not want to have a secure network where others can warn you about a potential bullshitter? I mean, true...everyone's experience is different, that timewaster could be another person's client...but its not violating anyone's discretion anymore than ours is being violated by having ourselves reviewed.

 

I sent an email to daddy before about this very topic. I told him specifically that unless timewasters realize that we can review and report them, they are going to feel no remorse or hesitation to try and fuck us over. Not saying its a weekly occurance, but even once a year is too much to be screwed over, and I thank men4rent for adding such a feature. I'm still waiting on 1 more site to get with the program

[justaguy]

ML2 and I are on the same page. I only write a review if the encounter was excellent or terrible. Should I be writing reviews for encounters that were okay to good if the guy has already been reviewed and I have nothing more to add?

[+ deej]

Should I be writing reviews for encounters that were okay to good if the guy has already been reviewed and I have nothing more to add?

 

You actually add an important data point: the guy is still working and IS|IS NOT (pick one) satisfying clients.

 

A lot of well-reviewed escorts become the subject of 411 threads here just because they haven't had a review in a while.